Why is No One Talking About All of the Improvements to the 2025 GT?!?

[Blue Lectroid]

WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS MORE????

I have posted in several other threads on the Forum about my recent journey from driving a 2018 Tesla Model 3 Performance for the past six years to ordering Lucid Air Grand Touring (including this thread) and rather remarkably, I only learned of some SIGNIFICANT improvements to the Grand Touring starting in the 2025 Model Year AFTER making the decision to buy a 2025 model rather than trying to save some $$ on an earlier model year. Even my wonderful Lucid Rep at my local Studio (Alexxa Irizarry) did not mention the majority of those listed below when I was asking about the differences between a 2025 and 2022 GT. My source for this list can be found between 10:20 and 20:00 here:

Out of Spec Shakedown of 2025 Lucid Grand Touring

1. Front Motor Mount Changed to add isolation mounts thereby virtually eliminating front motor noise (one thing I really didn't like when test driving a 2024 Touring previously).
2. New Infotainment System CPU for instantaneous menu switching, screen scrolling and allowing for drag typing. The difference is dramatic. I went back and forth between a car with the earlier CPU and the new one and it is night and day.
3. New electromagnetic Motor Design that yields a 3% range increase. **Keep in mind that in early 2024, the EPA changed BEV testing requirements resulting in many EV manufacturers having to adjust DOWN the EPA MPGe ratings on their cars** By way of example, the Tesla Model Y Long Range listed range dropped from 330 miles to 310 due to this change. The range for the 2025 Lucid Air Grand Touring actually increased by a few miles -- under the new testing.
4. revised battery chemistry resulting in a slight increase of storage capacity from 112 kWh to 118 kWh.
5. Heat Pump replaced old heating system and has resulted in a 7% overall range improvement between -10 degrees C and 5 degrees C and a 5% increase in cold temperature highway driving range between -10 degrees C and 5 degrees C.
6. Lucid claims an overall "Real World Range Increase" of 9%. #'s 3 through 5 above may be why in another recent video by Out of Spec Reviews, they were actually able to get 510.5 real driving miles of range at 70 MPH when many on this Forum have posted that Lucid's real world ranges were somewhat exaggerated.
7. A/C Charging efficiency improved by 2% (due to lower energy transfer loss during charging).
8. DC Fast Charging Speed improved by 15% - 30%.
9. Continuous Power Performance Improved by 60%. Thermal Management throughout the drivetrain and energy delivery system has resulted in an increase of the Air Touring's ability to deliver sustained power over 30 minutes from 121 kW to 195 kW.
10. Over 55% improvement in "Thermal Handling Limits" (whatever that means!!).
11. Drive Unit Static Heating Power has been increased by 50% (I believe that this relates to how quickly you can condition the battery pack).

All of this came as a very pleasant surprise to me as my decision to "financially bite the bullet" and buy the new, 2025 model GT rather than an earlier model year (either used, demo, or 2024 Lucid stock) was based on a much more limited set of facts about the differences in model years. Generally speaking the only things that seem to be routinely spoken of are the snappier Infotainment system and the Heat Pump. Less often spoken of are the revised front motor mounts. Why on earth are we not all "ringing the church bells" over Lucid's ongoing commitment to deliver the most efficient electric drive trains on the planet? Then again, why is Lucid not doing the same? Has anyone seen ANY marketing talking about these 2025 model year changes? I sure haven't!

 

[sigmo32]

Standard inclusion of the surround camera was also a nice bonus for the new models.

 

[hmp10]

WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS MORE????

I have posted in several other threads on the Forum about my recent journey from driving a 2018 Tesla Model 3 Performance for the past six years to ordering Lucid Air Grand Touring (including this thread) and rather remarkably, I only learned of some SIGNIFICANT improvements to the Grand Touring starting in the 2025 Model Year AFTER making the decision to buy a 2025 model rather than trying to save some $$ on an earlier model year. Even my wonderful Lucid Rep at my local Studio (Alexxa Irizarry) did not mention the majority of those listed below when I was asking about the differences between a 2025 and 2022 GT.

Very interesting post about some things I had missed entirely despite my near-obsession with following all things Lucid.

In my case, all I can say is that, after three years of owning one, I have been so long convinced that the Air is the best sedan being made today that I no longer do the deep dive into its details that I once did. There's also the fact that I'm chomping at the bit to get a Gravity next to the Air in our garage, and the daily search for news and information about the Gravity in any nook and corner of the press and internet has reduced my focus on the Air.

In any case, knowing that the engineers at Lucid are still moving the edges of the envelope forward so diligently on so many fronts is impressive, indeed.

 

[Buffalo Bob]

WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS MORE????

I have posted in several other threads on the Forum about my recent journey from driving a 2018 Tesla Model 3 Performance for the past six years to ordering Lucid Air Grand Touring (including this thread) and rather remarkably, I only learned of some SIGNIFICANT improvements to the Grand Touring starting in the 2025 Model Year AFTER making the decision to buy a 2025 model rather than trying to save some $$ on an earlier model year. Even my wonderful Lucid Rep at my local Studio (Alexxa Irizarry) did not mention the majority of those listed below when I was asking about the differences between a 2025 and 2022 GT. My source for this list can be found between 10:20 and 20:00 here:

Out of Spec Shakedown of 2025 Lucid Grand Touring

1. Front Motor Mount Changed to add isolation mounts thereby virtually eliminating front motor noise (one thing I really didn't like when test driving a 2024 Touring previously).
2. New Infotainment System CPU for instantaneous menu switching, screen scrolling and allowing for drag typing. The difference is dramatic. I went back and forth between a car with the earlier CPU and the new one and it is night and day.
3. New electromagnetic Motor Design that yields a 3% range increase. **Keep in mind that in early 2024, the EPA changed BEV testing requirements resulting in many EV manufacturers having to adjust DOWN the EPA MPGe ratings on their cars** By way of example, the Tesla Model Y Long Range listed range dropped from 330 miles to 310 due to this change. The range for the 2025 Lucid Air Grand Touring actually increased by a few miles -- under the new testing.
4. revised battery chemistry resulting in a slight increase of storage capacity from 112 kWh to 118 kWh.
5. Heat Pump replaced old heating system and has resulted in a 7% overall range improvement between -10 degrees C and 5 degrees C and a 5% increase in cold temperature highway driving range between -10 degrees C and 5 degrees C.
6. Lucid claims an overall "Real World Range Increase" of 9%. #'s 3 through 5 above may be why in another recent video by Out of Spec Reviews, they were actually able to get 510.5 real driving miles of range at 70 MPH when many on this Forum have posted that Lucid's real world ranges were somewhat exaggerated.
7. A/C Charging efficiency improved by 2% (due to lower energy transfer loss during charging).
8. DC Fast Charging Speed improved by 15% - 30%.
9. Continuous Power Performance Improved by 60%. Thermal Management throughout the drivetrain and energy delivery system has resulted in an increase of the Air Touring's ability to deliver sustained power over 30 minutes from 121 kW to 195 kW.
10. Over 55% improvement in "Thermal Handling Limits" (whatever that means!!).
11. Drive Unit Static Heating Power has been increased by 50% (I believe that this relates to how quickly you can condition the battery pack).

All of this came as a very pleasant surprise to me as my decision to "financially bite the bullet" and buy the new, 2025 model GT rather than an earlier model year (either used, demo, or 2024 Lucid stock) was based on a much more limited set of facts about the differences in model years. Generally speaking the only things that seem to be routinely spoken of are the snappier Infotainment system and the Heat Pump. Less often spoken of are the revised front motor mounts. Why on earth are we not all "ringing the church bells" over Lucid's ongoing commitment to deliver the most efficient electric drive trains on the planet? Then again, why is Lucid not doing the same? Has anyone seen ANY marketing talking about these 2025 model year changes? I sure haven't!

Great summary! Thanks!

I'm particularly interested in the addition of isolation mounts to the front motor. I'm guessing that this is something that could be done to earlier AWD models, and wondered if there is any word out there on that. Whether done as a free TSB item or at some reasonable charge, I would certainly be interested. (I did not think it should be a TSC item, since it would mean that people who like the sound would not be able to opt out.)

 

[software17guy]

Great summary! Thanks!

I'm particularly interested in the addition of isolation mounts to the front motor. I'm guessing that this is something that could be done to earlier AWD models, and wondered if there is any word out there on that. Whether done as a free TSB item or at some reasonable charge, I would certainly be interested. (I did not think it should be a TSC item, since it would mean that people who like the sound would not be able to opt out.)

I agree! I would happily pay for this improvement on my 2023 GT.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Great summary! Thanks!

I'm particularly interested in the addition of isolation mounts to the front motor. I'm guessing that this is something that could be done to earlier AWD models, and wondered if there is any word out there on that. Whether done as a free TSB item or at some reasonable charge, I would certainly be interested. (I did not think it should be a TSC item, since it would mean that people who like the sound would not be able to opt out.)

As I mentioned above, the difference is NOT subtle. When I did my first test drives (Pure vs. Touring), I had deliberately NOT read much of anything here about the cars because I wanted to experience them without as much bias as possible.

I immediately noticed the front motor whine and asked if that was normal. The answer I received was “this was changed in 2025, but all dual motor airs before 2025 have it.” When I jumped into the Pure afterwards, the silence was deafening…

The 2025 GT is NOT as quiet as the Pure, BUT it is darn close, such that if I wasn’t looking for it I would say that there is virtually no front motor noise other than right at roll out or extreme acceleration…

 

[hmp10]

I agree! I would happily pay for this improvement on my 2023 GT.

You might want to see the bill first . . . if Lucid would do it at all. Look at what would be involved in getting to that motor:

Of course, it's easy for me to be flip about this. I'm one of those who love the motor whine, as it sounds like a jet engine spooling up for takeoff. (When I bought a 1987 Mazda RX-7 with the turbo rotary engine it had the same whine under acceleration, which I thought was ultra cool. It turned out the whine came not from the motor but from the audio system due to an improperly shielded cable somewhere. I was quite disappointed when it was fixed.)

 

[Buffalo Bob]

You might want to see the bill first . . . if Lucid would do it at all. Look at what would be involved in getting to that motor:

I most definitely would want to see the bill first! While I would prefer the more quiet set-up, it's not like I'm that bothered by the sound, especially since it seems to disappear at cruise speeds. The difficulty of the change might not be as daunting as your photo implies, and then again, it may be even worse!

 

[borski]

I'm particularly interested in the addition of isolation mounts to the front motor. I'm guessing that this is something that could be done to earlier AWD models, and wondered if there is any word out there on that. Whether done as a free TSB item or at some reasonable charge, I would certainly be interested. (I did not think it should be a TSC item, since it would mean that people who like the sound would not be able to opt out.)

There are no plans for a retrofit. I would bet money that does not happen.

 

[Buffalo Bob]

There are no plans for a retrofit. I would bet money that does not happen.

So would I. Not for free, at least.

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

I would love to hear the Blue Lectroid story. We're not that far apart ... perhaps we'll meet at a charger ...

 

[Blue Lectroid]

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Ah, my Red Lectroid “friends!”

 

[rfc805]

As someone with a 25 GT - I think the whine you're trying to get away from with the isolation mounts is not gone. Though it could be a different one.

I do notice a difference - I've had 2 older loaner GTs now aside from my 25 GT. There is definitely an improvement in the isolation. However, I'd say it's more of a vibration improvement. There's definitely front end movement/vibration you feel fairly constantly from the older ones that isn't there.

The whine sound though, I'm pretty sure that's inverter whine, and it is still present.

One of the noises I've heard complained about as "Motor cogging" is actually the brake hold system, and nothing to do with the actual motor. That is still present - if you want that gone, you just have to switch from 'hold' to 'roll' mode.

The infotainment is the one that is really a dramatic change, though - so far, I still hit moments where the new one seems underpowered. I think these are probably bugs. The main time you notice it is engaging HA. It clearly lags the system while it starts up, and causes some weird behaviors as a result. I've actually had issues 3 times now where engaging HA causes my streaming music to "garble", which isn't recoverable without a restart/reboot.

 

[borski]

As someone with a 25 GT - I think the whine you're trying to get away from with the isolation mounts is not gone. Though it could be a different one.

I do notice a difference - I've had 2 older loaner GTs now aside from my 25 GT. There is definitely an improvement in the isolation. However, I'd say it's more of a vibration improvement. There's definitely front end movement/vibration you feel fairly constantly from the older ones that isn't there.

The whine sound though, I'm pretty sure that's inverter whine, and it is still present.

One of the noises I've heard complained about as "Motor cogging" is actually the brake hold system, and nothing to do with the actual motor. That is still present - if you want that gone, you just have to switch from 'hold' to 'roll' mode.

The infotainment is the one that is really a dramatic change, though - so far, I still hit moments where the new one seems underpowered. I think these are probably bugs. The main time you notice it is engaging HA. It clearly lags the system while it starts up, and causes some weird behaviors as a result. I've actually had issues 3 times now where engaging HA causes my streaming music to "garble", which isn't recoverable without a restart/reboot.

HA is not run on the infotainment chip/CCC.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

As someone with a 25 GT - I think the whine you're trying to get away from with the isolation mounts is not gone. Though it could be a different one.

I do notice a difference - I've had 2 older loaner GTs now aside from my 25 GT. There is definitely an improvement in the isolation. However, I'd say it's more of a vibration improvement. There's definitely front end movement/vibration you feel fairly constantly from the older ones that isn't there.

The whine sound though, I'm pretty sure that's inverter whine, and it is still present.

One of the noises I've heard complained about as "Motor cogging" is actually the brake hold system, and nothing to do with the actual motor. That is still present - if you want that gone, you just have to switch from 'hold' to 'roll' mode.

The infotainment is the one that is really a dramatic change, though - so far, I still hit moments where the new one seems underpowered. I think these are probably bugs. The main time you notice it is engaging HA. It clearly lags the system while it starts up, and causes some weird behaviors as a result. I've actually had issues 3 times now where engaging HA causes my streaming music to "garble", which isn't recoverable without a restart/reboot.

Perhaps there is some variation in the front motor whine between cars? Or, is it possible that your car was an early '25 that is different in some way than what is currently shipping? The degree of whine from the front motor was consistent (and rather loud) in the three previous model year dual-motor Lucids I have driven (a 2023 and 2024 Touring and a 2024 GT) and almost completely absent from the 2025 GT that the Short Hills NJ Studio just recently received. The 2025 engine and inverter noised sound very similar to my 2018 Tesla M3P. The three other dual motor Lucids I test drove were completely different and MUCH louder...

 

[borski]

Perhaps there is some variation in the front motor whine between cars? Or, is it possible that your car was an early '25 that is different in some way than what is currently shipping? The degree of whine from the front motor was consistent (and rather loud) in the three previous model year dual-motor Lucids I have driven (a 2023 and 2024 Touring and a 2024 GT) and almost completely absent from the 2025 GT that the Short Hills NJ Studio just recently received. The 2025 engine and inverter noised sound very similar to my 2018 Tesla M3P. The three other dual motor Lucids I test drove were completely different and MUCH louder...

Also, there is definitely no vibration/shaking in my car. No idea what that’s about.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Also, there is definitely no vibration/shaking in my car. No idea what that’s about.

Yes, I did not experience that in ANY of the four I drove. I would have been rather concerned if I had...

 

[joec]

WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS MORE????

I have posted in several other threads on the Forum about my recent journey from driving a 2018 Tesla Model 3 Performance for the past six years to ordering Lucid Air Grand Touring (including this thread) and rather remarkably, I only learned of some SIGNIFICANT improvements to the Grand Touring starting in the 2025 Model Year AFTER making the decision to buy a 2025 model rather than trying to save some $$ on an earlier model year. Even my wonderful Lucid Rep at my local Studio (Alexxa Irizarry) did not mention the majority of those listed below when I was asking about the differences between a 2025 and 2022 GT. My source for this list can be found between 10:20 and 20:00 here:

Out of Spec Shakedown of 2025 Lucid Grand Touring

1. Front Motor Mount Changed to add isolation mounts thereby virtually eliminating front motor noise (one thing I really didn't like when test driving a 2024 Touring previously).
2. New Infotainment System CPU for instantaneous menu switching, screen scrolling and allowing for drag typing. The difference is dramatic. I went back and forth between a car with the earlier CPU and the new one and it is night and day.
3. New electromagnetic Motor Design that yields a 3% range increase. **Keep in mind that in early 2024, the EPA changed BEV testing requirements resulting in many EV manufacturers having to adjust DOWN the EPA MPGe ratings on their cars** By way of example, the Tesla Model Y Long Range listed range dropped from 330 miles to 310 due to this change. The range for the 2025 Lucid Air Grand Touring actually increased by a few miles -- under the new testing.
4. revised battery chemistry resulting in a slight increase of storage capacity from 112 kWh to 118 kWh.
5. Heat Pump replaced old heating system and has resulted in a 7% overall range improvement between -10 degrees C and 5 degrees C and a 5% increase in cold temperature highway driving range between -10 degrees C and 5 degrees C.
6. Lucid claims an overall "Real World Range Increase" of 9%. #'s 3 through 5 above may be why in another recent video by Out of Spec Reviews, they were actually able to get 510.5 real driving miles of range at 70 MPH when many on this Forum have posted that Lucid's real world ranges were somewhat exaggerated.
7. A/C Charging efficiency improved by 2% (due to lower energy transfer loss during charging).
8. DC Fast Charging Speed improved by 15% - 30%.
9. Continuous Power Performance Improved by 60%. Thermal Management throughout the drivetrain and energy delivery system has resulted in an increase of the Air Touring's ability to deliver sustained power over 30 minutes from 121 kW to 195 kW.
10. Over 55% improvement in "Thermal Handling Limits" (whatever that means!!).
11. Drive Unit Static Heating Power has been increased by 50% (I believe that this relates to how quickly you can condition the battery pack).

All of this came as a very pleasant surprise to me as my decision to "financially bite the bullet" and buy the new, 2025 model GT rather than an earlier model year (either used, demo, or 2024 Lucid stock) was based on a much more limited set of facts about the differences in model years. Generally speaking the only things that seem to be routinely spoken of are the snappier Infotainment system and the Heat Pump. Less often spoken of are the revised front motor mounts. Why on earth are we not all "ringing the church bells" over Lucid's ongoing commitment to deliver the most efficient electric drive trains on the planet? Then again, why is Lucid not doing the same? Has anyone seen ANY marketing talking about these 2025 model year changes? I sure haven't!

This is a great list. Add to that some of the smaller changes for 2024, like the new frunk divider design and the posts for the floor mats, and it's almost enough for me to consider whether I want to buy out my car at the end of my lease next year, vs getting a new one. I wouldn't be surprised to see even more changes in 2026, particularly in color offerings and maybe some interior changes. They are bound to learn a lot when releasing Gravity, and I'm sure they will want to optimize between the two models as much as possible within reason.

It would be amazing if they replaced the key fob and/or antenna situation in 2026 or 2027. I don't know when their contract will allow that.

It's nice to see the Air getting updated regularly. I'd hate for it to become stale, even though it is bound to be Lucid's most niche model long term.

 

[momo3605]

The infotainment is the one that is really a dramatic change, though - so far, I still hit moments where the new one seems underpowered. I think these are probably bugs. The main time you notice it is engaging HA. It clearly lags the system while it starts up, and causes some weird behaviors as a result. I've actually had issues 3 times now where engaging HA causes my streaming music to "garble", which isn't recoverable without a restart/reboot.

How’s it when navigating around different areas? For instance in my car, the first time you load up maps, you have to stare at a loading screen for about 10 seconds then the map starts to fill itself out. Then if you hit the search bar, it takes a couple seconds for the keyboard to populate.

Also what about profile switching? Any better?

 

[hmp10]

. . . and the posts for the floor mats . . . .

Finally. The one continuing niggle I have with the interior of our Air is the floor mats refusing to stay put. I've even bought aftermarket grips (spikes that are drilled through the mats and sunk into the floor carpet), and they eventually let go. We have posts in our Odyssey, and the mats haven't budged in six years.