Time to be honest and tell the truth

[limtless]

Who is getting the range stated on their Air? Is anyone getting 516 miles of range?

I have seen no one say they have, I have seen 0 youtube videos on it. I know a lot of people got the 1,111HP edition. How close to the rated range does the Air get?

The T and P are yet to be released and they have 406 miles of estimated range (I think just to top Tesla 405 miles). I am going to guess the M3 LR gets better range. I haven't seen anyone saying how great the range is. Most of you say how great the car is and you love it, but no one is talking about the range and efficiency.

 

[Bobby]

Who is getting the range stated on their Air? Is anyone getting 516 miles of range?

I have seen no one say they have, I have seen 0 youtube videos on it. I know a lot of people got the 1,111HP edition. How close to the rated range does the Air get?

The T and P are yet to be released and they have 406 miles of estimated range (I think just to top Tesla 405 miles). I am going to guess the M3 LR gets better range. I haven't seen anyone saying how great the range is. Most of you say how great the car is and you love it, but no one is talking about the range and efficiency.

Actually, this subject has been discussed many times on this and other forums. There is no electric car on earth that achieves the EPA claimed range under real world circumstances. My Jaguar is rated for 273 miles and I am lucky if I get 220. This is a reality of the way EPA testing is done on electric vehicles. Truly, the federal government needs to update its testing standards and procedures to reflect real world mileage.

 

[SaratogaLefty]

Ok I have driven on a few Lucid Bay Area Group rides with GEWC along in her car. She consistently gets 4.6 mi/kwh which with her 112 Kwh battery equates to around 515 miles which I believe is almost exactly the range estimate for the Air GT with 19" wheels. I don't get anywhere near that range with my Dream P with 21" wheels but she is known in our group to be the "Queen of Range".

 

[OCDC]

Same (in)efficiencies apply to ICE cars. My DD is rated for 29/20 hwy/city, and I'm lucky to get 23/16 with the way I drive. The only car I've seen approach its EPA ratings consistently is a diesel VW Jetta, and I think that's a quirk of the way they're tested and how diesels run.

tl;dr, if you emulate the EPA driving cycles (why?), you should get close to their ratings. Literally, YMMV.

 

[Ksa23]

"Time to be honest and tell the truth" implies folks on the forum have been lying, or something.. not sure how to interpret that.

Anyway, if you drive the Lucid like they do in a range test with consistent speed and gentle acceleration, you'll get very close to the EPA numbers - closer than any other EV on the market according to one review I watched. There are range test videos on youtube, and some written articles showing their results.

But who's driving an 800hp Lucid like Miss Daisy in the real world? no one..

Side note, gas and hybrid vehicles rarely match their EPA numbers too.

 

[changinator]

The Kilowatts, DE-R, 687.4 miles:

Edmunds, DE-R, 505 miles:

InsideEVs (Tom Moloughney,) DE-R, 500 miles:

Car and Driver, GT, 410 miles (highest range by 90 miles):
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a40633791/lucid-air-grand-touring-best-ev-range-tested/

 

[HC_79]

I don't get why this continues to come up because no one seems to hold ICE vehicles to the same EPA numbers. As others have pointed out EPA needs the stars to align and for you to win the lotto in order to achieve it especially on the 5 cycle test. Lucid and Tesla do the 5 cycle test which is more ambitious to achieve the number stated. It's why you see others who do the 2 cycle beat the EPA. You just need to look at InsideEV's real range test to get a good idea of who comes close to EPA. It's been show at 70mph on 19" wheels by both InsideEV's and Car and Driver that the Lucid has gotten 500 and 515 miles respectively which is pretty damn close yet people still aren't happy.

Lucid has also said that it takes time for the motors to wear in which is about the 2000 mile mark and when people have reported seeing better efficiency myself included. If you think the Lucid is going to be a solid performer around town though, you're dreaming! The car is very heavy so if you're stopping a lot it's going to take more energy to get the car moving but you don't need miles around town, you need miles when doing road trips and the real world tests have shown what this vehicle can achieve.

 

[HC_79]

"Time to be honest and tell the truth" implies folks on the forum have been lying, or something.. not sure how to interpret that.

Let's be honest, most of the posts made by nolimt are more negative about Lucid than positive. If you think the company or forum members are lying, misleading and don't have anything positive to say about them then it's simple, cancel your order and move on!

 

[Bill55]

There are any number of people who have posted real world results. With DE-P and 21s I’m happy with 350 miles of consistent real world range driving same style as I do in ice vehicles. I definitely enjoy the car more on long road trips than any other time.

 

[Steveinarizona]

Actually, this subject has been discussed many times on this and other forums. There is no electric car on earth that achieves the EPA claimed range under real world circumstances. My Jaguar is rated for 273 miles and I am lucky if I get 220. This is a reality of the way EPA testing is done on electric vehicles. Truly, the federal government needs to update its testing standards and procedures to reflect real world mileage.

+1, Several factors are at play here: the EPA rating, the efficiency of the vehicle, the driving style, weather, and road conditions including slope. Lower end BEVs may get somewhat closer to the EPA range because they are less powerful (so they are driven more conservatively) but one doesn't buy a $100+K car to drive it slowly.

The EPA rating is a useful starting point but that is all it is. I subtract 25% from the EPA rating to account for driving briskly. But I would do that whether the vehicle was an Ioniq 5, a Ford Mach-e or a BMW I4. So my range estimate for the Pure is 300 miles. But if I were to get a car with a 300 mile EPA range, my estimated range would be 225 miles.

I remember once driving from Phoenix to Tucson the back way and discovered that there were no gas stations along the way. I ended up turning off the AC, driving 55 steady mph and barely got to a Chevron gas station in Oro Valley outside Tucson. Range can be an issue for ICE vehicles as well. There are just more gas stations around.

 

[DBV]

I don't get why this continues to come up because no one seems to hold ICE vehicles to the same EPA numbers. As others have pointed out EPA needs the stars to align and for you to win the lotto in order to achieve it especially on the 5 cycle test. Lucid and Tesla do the 5 cycle test which is more ambitious to achieve the number stated. It's why you see others who do the 2 cycle beat the EPA. You just need to look at InsideEV's real range test to get a good idea of who comes close to EPA. It's been show at 70mph on 19" wheels by both InsideEV's and Car and Driver that the Lucid has gotten 500 and 515 miles respectively which is pretty damn close yet people still aren't happy.

Lucid has also said that it takes time for the motors to wear in which is about the 2000 mile mark and when people have reported seeing better efficiency myself included. If you think the Lucid is going to be a solid performer around town though, you're dreaming! The car is very heavy so if you're stopping a lot it's going to take more energy to get the car moving but you don't need miles around town, you need miles when doing road trips and the real world tests have shown what this vehicle can achieve.

My ICE vehicles, mostly BMW’s and BMW diesels always overachieve on range. Probably, because I do mostly freeway driving. Our X5d blows aways the EPA range. I do wish the EPA would provide a more realistic range for EV’s, as they are much different than the projected range of ICE vehicles that I have owned. As more consumers, get into EV’s this will be brought up even more.

Also - how many of the general public, including me that owns my first EV really understand the KWH averages in comparison to mpg averages? All I care about is how many miles I am going to get compared to my ICE cars.

 

[GEWC]

My ICE vehicles, mostly BMW’s and BMW diesels always overachieve on range. Probably, because I do mostly freeway driving. Our X5d blows aways the EPA range. I do wish the EPA would provide a more realistic range for EV’s, as they are much different than the projected range of ICE vehicles that I have owned. As more consumers, get into EV’s this will be brought up even more.

Also - how many of the general public, including me that owns my first EV really understand the KWH averages in comparison to mpg averages? All I care about is how many miles I am going to get compared to my ICE cars.

We have an X5 that while quite the stella achiever on highways, is shit in town. It is literally almost 200 miles of difference on a full tank between town vs highway driving.

 

[GEWC]

Ok I have driven on a few Lucid Bay Area Group rides with GEWC along in her car. She consistently gets 4.6 mi/kwh which with her 112 Kwh battery equates to around 515 miles which I believe is almost exactly the range estimate for the Air GT with 19" wheels. I don't get anywhere near that range with my Dream P with 21" wheels but she is known in our group to be the "Queen of Range".

I have to be honest - my numbers have gone down this summer with an average of only 4.1, but that is with me driving more for fun (not for range) and blasting the AC. Still pretty good, I think. When I pay attention, I usually get 5 miles per 1 percent of battery, which would put me at 500 miles.

 

[DBV]

We have an X5 that while quite the stella achiever on highways, is shit in town. It is literally almost 200 miles of difference on a full tank between town vs highway driving.

Diesel? The diesel is just an all around beast. Amazing how far we can go on one tank. Trying to get my wife to an EV, but she will not give it up.

 

[svoelpel]

As others have said EV range is all about weather conditions and how you drive. I have had 2 Teslas, 2 Leafs, and currently have a Bolt. Around town and 55--60 MPH regular highway trips to my 100 miles away daughter's house I have always beaten the EPA range. I admit I generally drive very conservatively. Bolt is listed at 259 miles range and around town, mostly with AC turned off I consistently get around 6 miles/kwh for a projected range of 390 miles. On the 55 MPH daughter trips with AC on and 2 occupants I average around 4.7 miles/kwh or a projected range of 310. My only interstate trip was earlier this year to Williamsburg, VA. Temp was in the 50s going and I got 3.9 which is the EPA number. Coming home, a bit warmer, but very heavy head wind, I was around 3.4 miles/kwh. I think the Lucid EPA range numbers are very consistent with other EVs. The EQS has been the EV with the largest favorable variance in the 70 and 75 MPH tests.

 

[GEWC]

Diesel? The diesel is just an all around beast. Amazing how far we can go on one tank. Trying to get my wife to an EV, but she will not give it up.

Not diesel. It is quite funny to take the car on a highway drive after a lot of in town use. I will usually arrive home showing more miles left than when I started.

 

[Sam6062]

I have to be honest - my numbers have gone down this summer with an average of only 4.1, but that is with me driving more for fun (not for range) and blasting the AC. Still pretty good, I think. When I pay attention, I usually get 5 miles per 1 percent of battery, which would put me at 500 miles.

You Sir, Might be the leader in Average. Mine has never shown more than 3.2 and that only on the Highway. Local driving no more than 2.5

I do run my AC at 59 and Fan speed at 10 because at least in my car it is barely doing its job. I also Gun it every time I am first at the light . People here know that is about the only thing I like about the GT haha. Good thing electricity is still relatively cheap.

In 3 months I have 1200 miles on it, thanks to the Casinos in Oklahoma otherwise I may only have 500. It has also made two trips to Houston Service center and was there for 3-4 Days each.

 

[Daniel2022AT]

"Time to be honest and tell the truth" implies folks on the forum have been lying, or something.. not sure how to interpret that.

Anyway, if you drive the Lucid like they do in a range test with consistent speed and gentle acceleration, you'll get very close to the EPA numbers - closer than any other EV on the market according to one review I watched. There are range test videos on youtube, and some written articles showing their results.

But who's driving an 800hp Lucid like Miss Daisy in the real world? no one..

Side note, gas and hybrid vehicles rarely match their EPA numbers too.

I disagree about ICE vehicles not achieving EPA fuel economy estimates. That was certainly true 30 years ago but over time the EPA changed its methodology and estimates now are much more accurate. Many vehicles handily exceed their EPA numbers. My BMW 530i for example exceeds both city and highway estimates by a good 20%.

 

[digiboxer]

Same (in)efficiencies apply to ICE cars. My DD is rated for 29/20 hwy/city, and I'm lucky to get 23/16 with the way I drive. The only car I've seen approach its EPA ratings consistently is a diesel VW Jetta, and I think that's a quirk of the way they're tested and how diesels run.

tl;dr, if you emulate the EPA driving cycles (why?), you should get close to their ratings. Literally, YMMV.

I have a Cayenne S, X5 and Q7 that are all within 1 mpg of EPA rating printed on the stickers .... for years in all 3 cases

There are any number of people who have posted real world results. With DE-P and 21s I’m happy with 350 miles of consistent real world range driving same style as I do in ice vehicles. I definitely enjoy the car more on long road trips than any other time.

There is a whole tread on it...which begins with a poll..."Are you getting 100% of EPA, ? 90%? 80%...etc" Asked and answered...let's move on

 

[Neurio]

You Sir, Might be the leader in Average. .

That's "you ma'am." She's the range queen.