Time to be honest and tell the truth

[Sapphire™]

ICE vehicles don't have to meet their EPA rating because gas stations are everywhere

It's amazing how much infrastructure can improve in a whole century.

 

[DBV]

Actually my BMW i4 e40, on 19” wheels, consistently gets over the EPA estimate by a significan margin. My lifetime average stands at 4.1 mi/kWh which is in excess of a 320 mile range. The EPA estimate for the e40 on 19” wheels is 282 miles. My experience is far from an isolated one, as many i4 owners are exceeding the EPA estimates. The car has turned out to be very efficient.

I still have a reservation for the Pure, but at this point, having had zero issues with the i4 and really enjoying its ride & handling, I’m becoming more and more dubious about making a switch. I seriously doubt the Pure will offer me much greater range in real world driving.

My wife wants to hold on to her hybrid as she’s reluctant to have 2 electric cars between the two of us. So getting her into a Pure isn’t going to happen.

On the flip side, neither my e-Tron, MS or I-Pace managed to meet their EPA estimates. So there’s that.

That is awesome. I think BMW tends to beat out the EPA projections. I wish other cars, especially EV ones would do that too. Always a great when that happens.

 

[Steveinarizona]

Yeah, well 0-60 in the high 4 second area is good enough for me. I’ve also had experience with EVs with RWD (my MS), so I wasn’t at all deterred by that. If I lived in areas with frequent heavy snows and had no second car as an alternative drive, my decision might have been different.

I never doubted 0-60. How does it do 60-80 (i.e., passing on a country road)?

 

[Lucken]

I never doubted 0-60. How does it do 60-80 (i.e., passing on a country road)?

I really don’t know the time, other than to say it feels ‘quick’, but perhaps some review might shed some light on that.

 

[Ksa23]

I never doubted 0-60. How does it do 60-80 (i.e., passing on a country road)?

Currently in our Forester, at 60mph you floor it and give it a few moments to hit 65, change lanes, continue flooring it, and by the time the pass is complete, decelerate from 70 or (75 if going downhill). Meanwhile the cabin sounds like an old Starbucks coffee grinder.

We just road tripped from Chicago to Seattle in the Forester and it was laugh-out-loud at times for how poorly it was at passing. No complaints, just funny.

Cant wait to pass in a Lucid Test driving at 70+mph was incredible and responsive.

 

[PhotoEye]

Currently in our Forester, at 60mph you floor it and give it a few moments to hit 65, change lanes, continue flooring it, and by the time the pass is complete, decelerate from 70 or (75 if going downhill). Meanwhile the cabin sounds like an old Starbucks coffee grinder.

We just road tripped from Chicago to Seattle in the Forester and it was laugh-out-loud at times for how poorly it was at passing. No complaints, just funny.

Cant wait to pass in a Lucid Test driving at 70+mph was incredible and responsive.

I venture to guess you will speechless when you do the 60 to whatever to pass. For me, being able to execute an immediate, safe, evasive maneuver at speed is a huge value.

 

[Steveinarizona]

I venture to guess you will speechless when you do the 60 to whatever to pass. For me, being able to execute an immediate, safe, evasive maneuver at speed is a huge value.

I agree. I am so tired of folks talking about 0-60. Almost all BEVs do fine at that. What I want to know is how it will do passing on a hill on a country road going 60 mph...how does it do going 60-80?

 

[WildRide47]

I agree. I am so tired of folks talking about 0-60. Almost all BEVs do fine at that. What I want to know is how it will do passing on a hill on a country road going 60 mph...how does it do going 60-80?

The AGT is phenomenal going uphill from 60-80. I'm sure the Touring and Pure will be more than fine as well

 

[Sam6062]

Being honest, I don’t find this comfortable by any means. I am only 6 Ft.

 

[MoniputerLM]

I never doubted 0-60. How does it do 60-80 (i.e., passing on a country road)?

60-80, or 60-120, in the DE feels much faster than even the AMG EQS but the same as a Plaid. My experience is that the Lucid just keeps going where most of the other EVs that I have driven start to slow down.

Now, having said the above, almost every EV that I have driven, other than the EQS 450+, still feels very fast.

 

[PhotoEye]

Being honest, I don’t find this comfortable by any means. I am only 6 Ft.

Unless you are well shorter than 6' tall, the rear foot space on the DE will not be comfortable for any distance run. The smaller battery pack that will allow a rear foot well in the other trims should be much better.

Honestly, I surrendered my historical concern for my long-legged friends when I purchased the Lucid. I simply don't plan to be a rear-seater in my car -- ever!

 

[Parachute Adams]

I'm pretty sure it came from Sam, or perhaps Parachute.

Now, now Lefty...don't be quick to slander. I have no idea what DCFC means...much less how it melts...

Rock on...

 

[Sparky2]

AGT 19” wheels, odometer at 1100 miles . Charged to indicated range of 516, then after driving 253 miles, indicated range left was at 80 miles. Looks like for every mile I drive the range drops by 2 miles on average. Nowhere near the 516. . . But is it because the car isn’t broken in yet with 1100 miles on it?

 

[thecodingart]

The estimated range is soo wrong it’s laughable. For my average kWh/mi I’m rated 2.9. It still gives me a 400+ mile range estimate.. ignoring the clearly incorrect math there, running my battery from 100-2% on quiet a few tests/occasions with my 21” wheels, my actual range is around 320 miles and is definitely slightly under my previous 580 EQS. I’m convinced that others reporting higher ranges in the 400+ have something in their area that makes the situation hyper conditional on driving habits and location. With that noted, the only prior EV I’ve owned this off the estimate mark was my Model S.

 

[Slam08]

Tesla and Lucid use beneficial EPA range adjustments. It seems that in order to get those numbers you have to drive quite concervstively, which is hard to do in a 1100 HP car! Lol

 

[Bunnylebowski]

For EVs “Range” is not the equivalent of when an ICE car tells you how many miles you have left, but a moving target depending on driving conditions, driving style, temperature and elevation. If I plugged in and charged to 100% and I’m just commuting, the car isn’t going to go 500 miles before it goes to 0% SOC. If you drove on a flat surface at 75 degrees at 65mph without stopping you probably could get 500 miles on 19” wheels. It’s just power consumption to meet an end goal. Like how your air conditioning consumes more kW depending on the ambient temperature. In day to day driving if you drove around town, it’s possible maybe you would get slightly better range on the EQS. Why? Horsepower. The Lucid has more power available to move the car than the EQS, but thanks to its efficiency prowess it can get similar range to the EQS in commuting conditions in spite of giving you access to WAY more HP than the EQS. But if you go on a road trip where you’re not varying the power input as dramatically as you do in stop/go/up/down commuting, but keep the speed relatively steady, well all range tests already done shows the Lucid gets the best range.

 

[victoryroad]

AGT 19” wheels, odometer at 1100 miles . Charged to indicated range of 516, then after driving 253 miles, indicated range left was at 80 miles. Looks like for every mile I drive the range drops by 2 miles on average. Nowhere near the 516. . . But is it because the car isn’t broken in yet with 1100 miles on it?

My initial experience was similar, although not nearly as dramatic in variation between the remaining "range" on the cockpit panel and miles driven. At nearly 1800 miles my overall usage is 3.5 miles/kWh, so about as expected. I was told by CS in the first week that the car needs about 2500 miles to achieve more efficient power use. The variables for usage have been discussed above, but the bottom line is that driver habits and preferences are prime determinants of efficiency among AGT owners.

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

You young people may be able to drive for 6 hours @ 70 mph ave = 420 mi range
... and you want to sit in the car for another hour?

At two hours I can barely get out of the car, and I've needed a haircut since an hour ago.

Give me 300 mi no matter what conditions (cold, hills, wind) and I'm ready to get out and walk around for a while.

I sold an E63s for this car...that's my measuring stick. Let's talk about passing power at speed.

astonishing.

quicker than a thought.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

Funny I decided to go for the Lucid instead of an E63S Wagon. Glad I did!

 

[Gandalf]

I never doubted 0-60. How does it do 60-80 (i.e., passing on a country road)?

Can only say that on our first shakedown cruise after delivery, was in exactly that same situation- country road, no traffic, car ahead was doing about 60. While driving in Smooth mode, initiated lane change, punched it, and zoomed past the car and back into my lane. Never fully floored the pedal, but when I looked down, we were doing 117. No effort, no delay, and there was a lot more where that came from.