The I-90 Surge by Out of Spec Studios

[NorcalEV]

Intentionally running down to 0% more than once, they finally got their sensational click bait they wanted, that Lucid needs to be towed. True or not, that is my opinion.

 

[Bus Driver]

Gjeebs has an interesting and thankfully abbreviated take on the whole thing. I love how NOT-seriously he takes everything.

 

[ATP2023]

Count me in for the 40 hour drive. Glad to have Shane with us.

Shane, my comment though blunt and broad was focused on Dave. The idea that getting to zero% is ok, is terrible. None of us drive our cars like that.

Dave’s handle should be called “Out of Charge Dave”.

 

[momo3605]

Next time, please include a real Lucid driver in the race. I love driving my Lucid on long trips. I know how my car charges and how the battery is used. I am sure a real Lucid driver would have come in 2nd in this race.

Remember the video is like a Tyson v Paul fight, only for entertainment.

If you followed a more repeatable charge plan with the Lucid, it would’ve slowed down charge times. Lucid charging falls like a rock after 50%, the more time you spend above that is time that would go towards its competitors gaining. The strategy of charging 0-50 or 0-60 is theoretically the best as Lucid Air charges the best between 0-30%.

I don’t think you can say with certainty if they did 20-80 charges, they still would’ve placed 2nd. I would imagine it would’ve lost enough time charging to end up at least 3rd.

 

[Andretex]

If you followed a more repeatable charge plan with the Lucid, it would’ve slowed down charge times. Lucid charging falls like a rock after 50%, the more time you spend above that is time that would go towards its competitors gaining. The strategy of charging 0-50 or 0-60 is theoretically the best as Lucid Air charges the best between 0-30%.

I don’t think you can say with certainty if they did 20-80 charges, they still would’ve placed 2nd. I would imagine it would’ve lost enough time charging to end up at least 3rd.

I disagree with you. It is not the point of charging to 80%. But charging to 50% all the time is a bad idea. It takes time to drive to a charger and plug in. The extra minute or two to charge further is better.

 

[Electrified]

Shane, i did not realize you had a touring. But one quick question, why did you agree to get to zero % in the GT? Why did Dave leave a charger before the target % because he read it wrong? Was no one checking the math? I am sure you guys got 3 miles per kwh (or so) at 80 mph. Was the efficiency somewhat consistent? If so, again why take that risk to zero?

3.3 was their average, the Taycan was 3.0.

I'll do my best to make sure these things are discussed in our podcast later. If there's anything else you or others want mentioned please let me know.

I have a 2022 GT and with 80-90 temps running at 80 to 95 mile an hour I can get 300 miles on and have 20% battery left, the car at that point on average will start taking a fast charge at about 275Kw, at below 15% I'll see about 150KW, I believe Lucid has the car programmed to take a lower KW from 0% to 15% in order to protect the batteries health. Much faster charging between 20% to 80% as compared to 0% to 60%.

 

[Electrified]

If you followed a more repeatable charge plan with the Lucid, it would’ve slowed down charge times. Lucid charging falls like a rock after 50%, the more time you spend above that is time that would go towards its competitors gaining. The strategy of charging 0-50 or 0-60 is theoretically the best as Lucid Air charges the best between 0-30%.

I don’t think you can say with certainty if they did 20-80 charges, they still would’ve placed 2nd. I would imagine it would’ve lost enough time charging to end up at least 3rd.

In the 28,000 miles I have driven the car that has been pretty far from my experience, fastest charging for me on a 350 for me has been 20-80%.

 

[momo3605]

I disagree with you. It is not the point of charging to 80%. But charging to 50% all the time is a bad idea. It takes time to drive to a charger and plug in. The extra minute or two to charge further is better.

50-80 takes more than twice the time that it takes to do 0-50. 15 minutes to 50% and 36 minutes to 80%

I’m not saying in a real world scenario to stop at 50, but if you’re racing that’s the way to do it. Lucid’s charge curve is just not conducive to 80% charging. With the big battery pack, even 50% or 60% should give you about the same range as many of the other cars at 80%.

 

[momo3605]

In the 28,000 miles I have driven the car that has been pretty far from my experience, fastest charging for me on a 350 for me has been 20-80%.

I’m sorry, I’m sure it feels fast to you. But The Air takes 36 minutes to charge to 80%. That’s too slow amongst the fastest cars in the test.

 

[borski]

If you followed a more repeatable charge plan with the Lucid, it would’ve slowed down charge times. Lucid charging falls like a rock after 50%, the more time you spend above that is time that would go towards its competitors gaining. The strategy of charging 0-50 or 0-60 is theoretically the best as Lucid Air charges the best between 0-30%.

I don’t think you can say with certainty if they did 20-80 charges, they still would’ve placed 2nd. I would imagine it would’ve lost enough time charging to end up at least 3rd.

Most recent EA trip. Started at 3% SOC (lower than I intended).

30 min from 3% to 80%? That’s just fine. I was still pulling 101kW at 79%.

Yes, I know it’s a DE. But I am not as convinced as you that if they had charged to 80% they wouldn’t have done way better, and maybe won. The extra distance you get from the charge gives you optionality so you can avoid crappy chargers, too.

But what hurts more than anything? Driving past 0.

 

[momo3605]

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Most recent EA trip. Started at 3% SOC (lower than I intended).

30 min from 3% to 80%? That’s just fine. I was still pulling 101kW at 79%.

Yes, I know it’s a DE. But I am not as convinced as you that if they had charged to 80% they wouldn’t have done way better, and maybe won. The extra distance you get from the charge gives you optionality so you can avoid crappy chargers, too.

But what hurts more than anything? Driving past 0.

We’ve been through this. Everyone including you knows the DE charges faster….its irrelevant.

Of course driving past 0 hurts more. But charging to 80 would’ve made them slower than they already were. They would have done better than 2nd to last sure! But it wouldn’t have placed 2nd if they charged the whole way up to 80

 

[borski]

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Most recent EA trip. Started at 3% SOC (lower than I intended).

30 min from 3% to 80%? That’s just fine. I was still pulling 101kW at 79%.

Yes, I know it’s a DE. But I am not as convinced as you that if they had charged to 80% they wouldn’t have done way better, and maybe won. The extra distance you get from the charge gives you optionality so you can avoid crappy chargers, too.

But what hurts more than anything? Driving past 0.

And, to be clear, it would have gone faster if I’d preconditioned but this was an unexpected stop (I forgot to plug in the night before).

The charge started at 269kW, which is lower than my usual, but it was a balanced 350 and I hadn’t done any preconditioning.

It was cute though, to watch my charge rate go up as the other EV’s went down (because it’s a balanced 350).

 

[borski]

We’ve been through this. Everyone including you knows the DE charges faster….its irrelevant.

Of course driving past 0 hurts more. But charging to 80 would’ve made them slower than they already were. They wouldn have done better than 2nd to last sure! But it wouldn’t have placed 2nd if they charged the whole way up to 80

Disagree. Yes the DE and GT-P charge faster; no, I don’t believe it would have made a material difference in timing of the run. Even my charge was only 6 minutes shorter than your stated 80% charge for a GT.

I think you’re discounting the additional optionality that the Lucid gets to simply *skip* a charger if it is packed or slow. I am certain that would have made a difference.

 

[ATP2023]

Completely agree, I’m more disappointed out of spec reviewers couldn’t figure out the most efficient way to reach the destination. They are supposed to be experts on this field. I don’t know much but when you get a good charger, charge to 80%, and don’t push past zero % battery charge.

They should put a disclaimer that Lucid was driven past 0%, ran out of juice and this was a mistake. Never drive any EV expecting to keep going past 0%….

Kyle said “ we are not here to fudge anything, this is how they ride “ about the Lucid. Mentions inconsistency. Really, he thinks driving past 0% battery should give them more travel distance? Of course, his dad was there so he didn’t want to criticize driving with 0% battery charge.

Just because you got 30 miles after 0% charge once doesn’t mean you always get it….

I don’t understand why they did that.

I agree that we shouldn’t be going past zero. But out of spec reviews seem to think that driving past zero should be the norm and shame on the Manufacturers when the Car stops when it out of juice.
Using their influence to influence others to drive past zero not a good one.

 

[tonybot]

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't 2025 GT has a better charging curve compared to earlier GTs?

 

[momo3605]

I think you’re discounting the additional optionality that the Lucid gets to simply *skip* a charger if it is packed or slow. I am certain that would have made a difference

Yea maybe!

 

[Andretex]

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't 2025 GT has a better charging curve compared to earlier GTs?

Not sure. But they are more efficient due to the heat pump at least.

 

[sri]

Yea maybe!

Yes, 2025 have better charging curve similar to Dream or better then that.

 

[sri]

Yea maybe!

The whole point of discussion here is driving past 0% multiple times.

 

[Bus Driver]

The whole point of discussion here is driving past 0% multiple times.

Which is something no regular (and sane) EV owner would ever do.