The I-90 Surge by Out of Spec Studios

[Unmutual]

The Lucid had a decent chance at second before the debacle. I mean, when the car tells you it's at zero, you really want to second guess it? I know Kyle's test got 30 more miles after zero, but in the real world who's going to actually rely on that. No common sense displayed here at all.

 

[sri]

The Lucid had a decent chance at second before the debacle. I mean, when the car tells you it's at zero, you really want to second guess it? I know Kyle's test got 30 more miles after zero, but in the real world who's going to actually rely on that. No common sense displayed here at all.

And that too trying multiple times when no one is going to or trying a 0% in the pack. If you are compete to reach the the destination no one will try to run our or test battery capacity and worst part is trying multiple legs same way.

 

[ATP2023]

Kyle tried. The fact I was there should tell you how desperate he was for a knowledgeable Lucid driver, but in my opinion it wouldn't have made a significant difference, at least up to this point.

The circling back in Billings was indeed my fault due to misreading the readout on the charger. But in reality we realized as soon we pulled out of the parking lot and turned around at the next traffic light, so we only lost a few minutes of time at most.

I'll admit that throughout the trip I was more passive and not as assertive as i probably should have been, but that's just my nature. We were consistently arriving at chargers at 5% SoC or less up until this point, and I would argue that we were already pushing the car harder than we really ought to have been, especially as we had to reduce speed multiple times. Looking back I definitively would have charged longer to maintain higher speeds.

I have to respectfully disagree about any bias towards the Porsche. In respect to charging, the numbers really don't lie, and the Taycan can onboard more energy significantly faster than the Air. Unfortunately for the Lucid, the benefits of greater efficiency and longer range disappear pretty quickly on a continuous race like this.

Does the fact that the Taycan is outpacing the Lucid in the race so far indicate the Taycan is definitively the better long distance road tripper or better EV in general? I would argue no, as this race is not really a real world representation of how people travel. If teams only traveled 12-16 hours each day and then stopped to charge overnight as most folks would, the Lucid would undoubtedly be doing much better. I think it's meant to be more of an entertaining thought experiment rather than saying one car is definitively superior to another, aside from perhaps getting from point A to point B across 3000 miles nonstop, which is really a silly comparison, anyways. Also, the Model 3 is ahead of us at this point as well, so it's not just the Porsche.

I'll agree that we did not 100% optimize the car, but the same is true for every other car as well, including the Porsche. Although the Taycan did do really well optimizing overall, we all made mistakes and lost time that we really shouldn't have, and while it skews the times for each team a bit, I feel like it evened out more or less, in the end. I'm pretty confident that if we all did this again that we'd all be at least a little bit faster, but I don't feel like the positions would change significantly.

If anyone feels like this series is a disservice to Lucid or unfairly representing any of the cars, please reach out to Out of Spec and let them know. With enough feedback or suggestions for improvement I think they'd certainly consider revisiting the results in some way, but I'd ask to withhold judgements until the final video. If I or anyone else on the Lucid team did not meet your expectations I sincerely apologize, but I hope you can appreciate that all 3 of us really did our best at the time. I don't feel like we could have pushed the car any harder. Smarter and more wisely, absolutely, but not harder.

I’ve followed the the 3 episodes thus far, i did hear the Lucid team saying they were going to change things up to leap frog the Model 3 but what did keep seeing was everyone doing the same only charging to the next nearest stop. I thought the order will stay the same since everyone was doing the same. Only time i seen this far in which the lucid was charged anything close to 80% or better was when they started at 100 from seattle.

 

[patriots328]

An improved charging curve will make Air almost unbeatable when combined with efficiency+range.

I am afraid Lucid isn’t focusing on improving thermal management at this point for either Air or Gravity. They may be waiting to address this via next gen battery tech (either improved chemistry that can handle charge rates or using silicon anode whenever that comes to fruition) to have better curve.

 

[Adnillien]

I am afraid Lucid isn’t focusing on improving thermal management at this point for either Air or Gravity.

Lucid has made many improvements in Gravity based on learnings from Air so we do not know if increased battery cooling is one. With the larger cabin area in Gravity compared to Air, I am fairly sure that Gravity increased AC capacity over Air so it is likely that the battery cooling will also be increased.

 

[ATP2023]

Damn. The Taycan won. Boo… no need to watch it now.

What? It beat the acura too?

 

[Unmutual]

What? It beat the acura too?

No. Not even close.

 

[Electrified]

The conclusion is finally here! Lucid friends, have mercy.

Turn on preconditioning at 5%, WTF

I will continue watching!

 

[thong1999]

I wonder if this video will affect the price of stocks on Monday?

 

[Batteryman]

The Taycan would have won even if Lucid didn't run out of battery. Before it ran out of charge, Lucid was in the middle of the pack amongst the pack of Teslas, Hyundai, etc. when the Taycan arrived in Boston.

The Dave effect, when you get a charger with a good rate, charge to 80%, dont move on. And the passed a 350kw charger with 14% charge....makes you think

 

[Rogue]

@Shane_SLC, props to the three of you. I would not have handled that as graciously. Maybe there was a lot of swearing and hand gestures off camera.

Lucid will just have to wait till next time to dominate the pack.

 

[sri]

Turn on preconditioning at 5%, WTF

I will continue watching!

Yes that blew my mind too. That too by pro’s when testing this vehicles. As i said, i opine this is staged for Lucid to fail and they waiting until end of the trip to break it.

We all know preconditioning will eat up 2 to 3% and they were about 7.5 miles away when ran out of juice.

 

[ATP2023]

The Dave effect, when you get a charger with a good rate, charge to 80%, dont move on. And the passed a 350kw charger with 14% charge....makes you think

Its. Shame makes me feel like he doesnt like lucid and does alot to make Lucid look poorly. The drove past a station at 14 % which they could have brought it up to a SOC to mae it their final instead drive past it to try to make it a 0 to an EA station. Ugh

 

[geosynch]

I got to the point of where the Lucid turned on their flashers and then walked away. I just couldn't watch anymore.

I doubt anyone was trying to deliberately sabotage the Lucid team, as mentioned above, but it is mind-boggling that the same mistakes were made repeatedly (not charging enough, driving slow to make up for not enough charge, going deep below zero).

At 80 MPH the Lucid requires about 16 kW to overcome aerodynamic drag. If you're charging at 160 kW every minute you are charging is another 10 minutes of 80 MPH on the freeway, getting you another 13 miles down the road. One more minute of charging is cheap insurance against calling for a tow truck. Two more minutes is more better.

It is too bad that Lucid's "range at destination" estimate is so poor, but because it is consistently poor, one should be able to predict more buffer is needed before leaving a charging stop.

I'll probably finish watching part 4, but I need to wait until the the sting of disappointment is gone.

 

[sri]

I got to the point of where the Lucid turned on their flashers and then walked away. I just couldn't watch anymore.

I doubt anyone was trying to deliberately sabotage the Lucid team, as mentioned above, but it is mind-boggling that the same mistakes were made repeatedly (not charging enough, driving slow to make up for not enough charge, going deep below zero).

At 80 MPH the Lucid requires about 16 kW to overcome aerodynamic drag. If you're charging at 160 kW every minute you are charging is another 10 minutes of 80 MPH on the freeway, getting you another 13 miles down the road. One more minute of charging is cheap insurance against calling for a tow truck. Two more minutes is more better.

It is too bad that Lucid's "range at destination" estimate is so poor, but because it is consistently poor, one should be able to predict more buffer is needed before leaving a charging stop.

I'll probably finish watching part 4, but I need to wait until the the sting of disappointment is gone.

I dont actually mean deliberate, but we are not looking at basic users doing this test. This are pro electric car users or what they say. Them doing it in a race to reach destination quicker and taking this noob decisions makes it look like sabotage.

Pardon my frustration.

 

[Lucken]

Here’s my assessment- Who cares? Is this really going to impact your enjoyment of the car? There could have been 100 different iterations of these results with 100 different ’teams’. IMO some are taking this way too seriously.

 

[Shane_SLC]

For the record, I'll be the first to admit that Team Lucid made a few too many mistakes and miscalculations. It's pretty clear with better optimization and charging decisions the Lucid would have been a solid competitor for second or third place. I honestly feel we were going to be lucky to make third, but you're welcome to your own opinions. But also know that there's no lack of shame and disappointment on my part.

However, it's important to remember that every single other team made their own fair share of mistakes and had their own delays. We were pretty fortunate with our charging stops for the first half or two-thirds of the trip, and we didn't make a single stop other than to charge throughout. Is it really fair to focus only on Team Lucid's mistakes but no one else's? I don't think so.

And if you still think the only reason we placed the way we did was due to our own incompetence, then I invite you to prove it. If you're so confident you could have performed better, then assemble your own team, shoot a video and show us how it's done! It should be no trouble at all beating our time, but good luck getting anywhere close to the Taycan's time.

And if that doesn't interest you for whatever reason, then at least make an effort to show some kindness and empathy. I don't know anyone that can function perfectly after 48 hours without much sleep. At the end of the day we're all human beings doing our best with the information we had at the time and with plently of unknowns. I hope you can forgive us for that, at least, and acknowledge that no one on the Out of Spec team (especially Dave) has any ill will for Lucid.

 

[sri]

For the record, I'll be the first to admit that Team Lucid made a few too many mistakes and miscalculations. It's pretty clear with better optimization and charging decisions the Lucid would have been a solid competitor for second or third place. I honestly feel we were going to be lucky to make third, but you're welcome to your own opinions. But also know that there's no lack of shame and disappointment on my part.

However, it's important to remember that every single other team made their own fair share of mistakes and had their own delays. We were pretty fortunate with our charging stops for the first half or two-thirds of the trip, and we didn't make a single stop other than to charge throughout. Is it really fair to focus only on Team Lucid's mistakes but no one else's? I don't think so.

And if you still think the only reason we placed the way we did was due to our own incompetence, then I invite you to prove it. If you're so confident you could have performed better, then assemble your own team, shoot a video and show us how it's done! It should be no trouble at all beating our time, but good luck getting anywhere close to the Taycan's time.

And if that doesn't interest you for whatever reason, then at least make an effort to show some kindness and empathy. I don't know anyone that can function perfectly after 48 hours without much sleep. At the end of the day we're all human beings doing our best with the information we had at the time and with plently of unknowns. I hope you can forgive us for that, at least, and acknowledge that no one on the Out of Spec team (especially Dave) has any ill will for Lucid.

Sorry, i dont mean my comments in a negative way. I am just unhappy that things derailed. Also pardon my ignorance on other cars having their own share of mistakes. I basically skipped most part of the other cars and i am completely focused on Lucid (i may be more biased to Lucid )

We all really appreciate your efforts on making this video happen. I hope Lucid beat Taycan one day, those charging speeds are insane. With Lucid’s efficiency and those Taycan charging speeds combined will be a best car one day.

 

[Electrified]

The Dave effect, when you get a charger with a good rate, charge to 80%, dont move on. And the passed a 350kw charger with 14% charge....makes you think

I just saw that, made zero sense. The Lucid should have not been run less than 20%, the 20% to 80% charging curve on the Lucid is pretty damn good, run with that strategy and take advantage of the Lucid's range and you have a better finish.

 

[Batteryman]

For the record, I'll be the first to admit that Team Lucid made a few too many mistakes and miscalculations. It's pretty clear with better optimization and charging decisions the Lucid would have been a solid competitor for second or third place. I honestly feel we were going to be lucky to make third, but you're welcome to your own opinions. But also know that there's no lack of shame and disappointment on my part.

However, it's important to remember that every single other team made their own fair share of mistakes and had their own delays. We were pretty fortunate with our charging stops for the first half or two-thirds of the trip, and we didn't make a single stop other than to charge throughout. Is it really fair to focus only on Team Lucid's mistakes but no one else's? I don't think so.

And if you still think the only reason we placed the way we did was due to our own incompetence, then I invite you to prove it. If you're so confident you could have performed better, then assemble your own team, shoot a video and show us how it's done! It should be no trouble at all beating our time, but good luck getting anywhere close to the Taycan's time.

And if that doesn't interest you for whatever reason, then at least make an effort to show some kindness and empathy. I don't know anyone that can function perfectly after 48 hours without much sleep. At the end of the day we're all human beings doing our best with the information we had at the time and with plently of unknowns. I hope you can forgive us for that, at least, and acknowledge that no one on the Out of Spec team (especially Dave) has any ill will for Lucid.

Completely agree, I’m more disappointed out of spec reviewers couldn’t figure out the most efficient way to reach the destination. They are supposed to be experts on this field. I don’t know much but when you get a good charger, charge to 80%, and don’t push past zero % battery charge.

They should put a disclaimer that Lucid was driven past 0%, ran out of juice and this was a mistake. Never drive any EV expecting to keep going past 0%….

Kyle said “ we are not here to fudge anything, this is how they ride “ about the Lucid. Mentions inconsistency. Really, he thinks driving past 0% battery should give them more travel distance? Of course, his dad was there so he didn’t want to criticize driving with 0% battery charge.

Just because you got 30 miles after 0% charge once doesn’t mean you always get it….

I don’t understand why they did that.