The I-90 Surge by Out of Spec Studios

[Ashir]

For the record, I'll be the first to admit that Team Lucid made a few too many mistakes and miscalculations. It's pretty clear with better optimization and charging decisions the Lucid would have been a solid competitor for second or third place. I honestly feel we were going to be lucky to make third, but you're welcome to your own opinions. But also know that there's no lack of shame and disappointment on my part.

However, it's important to remember that every single other team made their own fair share of mistakes and had their own delays. We were pretty fortunate with our charging stops for the first half or two-thirds of the trip, and we didn't make a single stop other than to charge throughout. Is it really fair to focus only on Team Lucid's mistakes but no one else's? I don't think so.

And if you still think the only reason we placed the way we did was due to our own incompetence, then I invite you to prove it. If you're so confident you could have performed better, then assemble your own team, shoot a video and show us how it's done! It should be no trouble at all beating our time, but good luck getting anywhere close to the Taycan's time.

And if that doesn't interest you for whatever reason, then at least make an effort to show some kindness and empathy. I don't know anyone that can function perfectly after 48 hours without much sleep. At the end of the day we're all human beings doing our best with the information we had at the time and with plently of unknowns. I hope you can forgive us for that, at least, and acknowledge that no one on the Out of Spec team (especially Dave) has any ill will for Lucid.

Appreciate your honest response. I agree we are all humans and make mistakes. It takes strength in admitting those mistakes, even more so when you influence so many people. While there are limitations with the car, those mistakes can not be overlooked as some of them were common sense decisions from a third person point of view. Will fixing those obvious mistakes change final results? Who knows?

I think its more important for the team to own those mistakes, if they were, and change the narrative to address them. There is a difference between just being human and being human while also influenceing thousand other humans. A negative narrative created around "clear" mistakes leads to the frustration and disappointment for us, the brand ambassadors.

For example, when I will talk to someone who watched these videos, who have not experienced Lucid Air themselves, they are not going to pay any heed to what I have to say because a more reliable source (OutOfSpec) has proven that it doesn't work. "Towing of an EV when out of charge" publically is a sign of failure of brand, it's the standard set by less informed public which won't change in the near future.

I believe the influence of video will be even more widespread than the Lucid's own marketing team because of extreme narrative created around the video, "the only car to be towed". All said, the video is still a public opinion and free speech is allowed. You had a good goal, geat content, engaging videos, and sounded like a fun experience

I have driven on same route 2 times every year for the past 3 years and loved to watch familiar scenery!

 

[Electrified]

For the record, I'll be the first to admit that Team Lucid made a few too many mistakes and miscalculations. It's pretty clear with better optimization and charging decisions the Lucid would have been a solid competitor for second or third place. I honestly feel we were going to be lucky to make third, but you're welcome to your own opinions. But also know that there's no lack of shame and disappointment on my part.

However, it's important to remember that every single other team made their own fair share of mistakes and had their own delays. We were pretty fortunate with our charging stops for the first half or two-thirds of the trip, and we didn't make a single stop other than to charge throughout. Is it really fair to focus only on Team Lucid's mistakes but no one else's? I don't think so.

And if you still think the only reason we placed the way we did was due to our own incompetence, then I invite you to prove it. If you're so confident you could have performed better, then assemble your own team, shoot a video and show us how it's done! It should be no trouble at all beating our time, but good luck getting anywhere close to the Taycan's time.

And if that doesn't interest you for whatever reason, then at least make an effort to show some kindness and empathy. I don't know anyone that can function perfectly after 48 hours without much sleep. At the end of the day we're all human beings doing our best with the information we had at the time and with plently of unknowns. I hope you can forgive us for that, at least, and acknowledge that no one on the Out of Spec team (especially Dave) has any ill will for Lucid.

Of course it's not fair to focus on Team Lucid's mistakes, but being Lucid owners on a Lucid forum that's what it's primarily going to be because no one wants to see their team not finish where expected . In any event I watched you guys and was certainly cheering on my team!

I certainly didn't feel that anyone on the Out of Spec team had any ill will for the Lucid, and yes it's unfortunate that Dave has gone 3 for 3 in running out of electrons, but I must say that the look on your face after Evolve NY was not that of a happy man.

Thank you for making the run, 40+ hours of non-stop running is brutal and having done 36 hours 22 years ago I still remember how grueling it can be.

 

[Andretex]

Next time, please include a real Lucid driver in the race. I love driving my Lucid on long trips. I know how my car charges and how the battery is used. I am sure a real Lucid driver would have come in 2nd in this race.

Remember the video is like a Tyson v Paul fight, only for entertainment.

 

[Electrified]

The Dave effect, when you get a charger with a good rate, charge to 80%, dont move on. And the passed a 350kw charger with 14% charge....makes you think

That was the dagger, my wife heard me let out an Oh shit and she asked what's going on

 

[Batteryman]

Appreciate your honest response. I agree we are all humans and make mistakes. It takes strength in admitting those mistakes, even more so when you influence so many people. While there are limitations with the car, those mistakes can not be overlooked as some of them were common sense decisions from a third person point of view. Will fixing those obvious mistakes change final results? Who knows?

I think its more important for the team to own those mistakes, if they were, and change the narrative to address them. There is a difference between just being human and being human while also influenceing thousand other humans. A negative narrative created around "clear" mistakes leads to the frustration and disappointment for us, the brand ambassadors.

For example, when I will talk to someone who watched these videos, who have not experienced Lucid Air themselves, they are not going to pay any heed to what I have to say because a more reliable source (OutOfSpec) has proven that it doesn't work. "Towing of an EV when out of charge" publically is a sign of failure of brand, it's the standard set by less informed public which won't change in the near future.

I believe the influence of video will be even more widespread than the Lucid's own marketing team because of extreme narrative created around the video, "the only car to be towed". All said, the video is still a public opinion and free speech is allowed. You had a good goal, geat content, engaging videos, and sounded like a fun experience

I have driven on same route 2 times every year for the past 3 years and loved to watch familiar scenery!

Yeah, they never owned the mistake of driving till battery is dead and getting towed. All Kyle said was Lucid was inconsistent. That tells another story.

 

[Shane_SLC]

Next time, please include a real Lucid driver in the race. I love driving my Lucid on long trips. I know how my car charges and how the battery is used. I am sure a real Lucid driver would have come in 2nd in this race.

Remember the video is like a Tyson v Paul fight, only for entertainment.

Personally, the implication that I'm not "a real Lucid driver" is a bit offensive. While I drive a Touring instead of a GT, I'm quickly approaching 40k miles on my car, and I'd say I'm more than familiar with these cars. Again, if you think you can do so much better than we did then prove it.

 

[Shane_SLC]

Completely agree, I’m more disappointed out of spec reviewers couldn’t figure out the most efficient way to reach the destination. They are supposed to be experts on this field. I don’t know much but when you get a good charger, charge to 80%, and don’t push past zero % battery charge.

They should put a disclaimer that Lucid was driven past 0%, ran out of juice and this was a mistake. Never drive any EV expecting to keep going past 0%….

Kyle said “ we are not here to fudge anything, this is how they ride “ about the Lucid. Mentions inconsistency. Really, he thinks driving past 0% battery should give them more travel distance? Of course, his dad was there so he didn’t want to criticize driving with 0% battery charge.

Just because you got 30 miles after 0% charge once doesn’t mean you always get it….

I don’t understand why they did that.

We will be doing a podcast-style discussion soon to summarize and analyze things from our point of view. Hopefully that will help clarify things a bit.

 

[Rogue]

I have already opted myself into a trip on I-90. If there are 2 others willing to give it a go, then we have a team. I already have an idea of the code to write to calculate maximal route efficiency, so the human part would be taken out of the equation almost entirely.

I don't own a GT 25', only a GT-P with 21" wheels. I plan on getting the 19", but that is 8+ months out. Obtaining a DE or GT 25' with 19" wheels would be a requirement for a 1-1 comparison.

Videoing is also something I am unfamiliar with.

 

[Shane_SLC]

I have already opted myself into a trip on I-90. If there are 2 others willing to give it a go, then we have a team. I already have an idea of the code to write to calculate maximal route efficiency, so the human part would be taken out of the equation almost entirely.

I don't own a GT 25', only a GT-P with 21" wheels. I plan on getting the 19", but that is 8+ months out. Obtaining a DE or GT 25' with 19" wheels would be a requirement for a 1-1 comparison.

Videoing is also something I am unfamiliar with.

You know I'd be on board for another go, but I'd certainly understand wanting to leave me out if it due to my past performance. I bet the Out of Spec team would happily lend you the car if Lucid was okay with it. If you can assemble a team let me know and I'll ask!

 

[Ashir]

I have already opted myself into a trip on I-90. If there are 2 others willing to give it a go, then we have a team. I already have an idea of the code to write to calculate maximal route efficiency, so the human part would be taken out of the equation almost entirely.

I don't own a GT 25', only a GT-P with 21" wheels. I plan on getting the 19", but that is 8+ months out. Obtaining a DE or GT 25' with 19" wheels would be a requirement for a 1-1 comparison.

Videoing is also something I am unfamiliar with.

I really want to do one in my Pure, but I am running out of lease miles faster than I forecasted already. I have done the stretch Seattle-Detroit in all my cars so far. I will probably do it once I buy the car after the lease ends in 2025 It won't be the same car, but one with SSP and DDP.

 

[tonybot]

I have already opted myself into a trip on I-90. If there are 2 others willing to give it a go, then we have a team. I already have an idea of the code to write to calculate maximal route efficiency, so the human part would be taken out of the equation almost entirely.

I don't own a GT 25', only a GT-P with 21" wheels. I plan on getting the 19", but that is 8+ months out. Obtaining a DE or GT 25' with 19" wheels would be a requirement for a 1-1 comparison.

Videoing is also something I am unfamiliar with.

Can Lucid provide/sponsor a GT25 for this purpose?

 

[Rogue]

You know I'd be on board for another go, but I'd certainly understand wanting to leave me out if it due to my past performance. I bet the Out of Spec team would happily lend you the car if Lucid was okay with it. If you can assemble a team let me know and I'll ask!

I would happily have you along. That makes 2 folks. We just need one more. Out of Spec may want someone from their team for videoing purposes.

 

[Rogue]

Can Lucid provide/sponsor a GT25 for this purpose?

Not sure. I have some connections. They may be interested if asked nicely and given a solid marketing proposition.

 

[Electrified]

I have already opted myself into a trip on I-90. If there are 2 others willing to give it a go, then we have a team. I already have an idea of the code to write to calculate maximal route efficiency, so the human part would be taken out of the equation almost entirely.

I don't own a GT 25', only a GT-P with 21" wheels. I plan on getting the 19", but that is 8+ months out. Obtaining a DE or GT 25' with 19" wheels would be a requirement for a 1-1 comparison.

Videoing is also something I am unfamiliar with.

I assume you are talking about next spring?

You know I'd be on board for another go, but I'd certainly understand wanting to leave me out if it due to my past performance. I bet the Out of Spec team would happily lend you the car if Lucid was okay with it. If you can assemble a team let me know and I'll ask!

You can't beat having an experienced hand on the crew, with you on board I'm betting the team kills it and gets real close to the Taycan time, and even possibly besting it

 

[geosynch]

Yeah, they never owned the mistake of driving till battery is dead and getting towed. All Kyle said was Lucid was inconsistent. That tells another story.

If there is one thing I learned from doing labs in college physics, is that you can't extrapolate from a single data point.

I'll just leave this here with no further comment.

 

[geosynch]

You know I'd be on board for another go, but I'd certainly understand wanting to leave me out if it due to my past performance. I bet the Out of Spec team would happily lend you the car if Lucid was okay with it. If you can assemble a team let me know and I'll ask!

I'd support you in going next year. Dave, not so much.

 

[Andretex]

Count me in for the 40 hour drive. Glad to have Shane with us.

Shane, my comment though blunt and broad was focused on Dave. The idea that getting to zero% is ok, is terrible. None of us drive our cars like that.

 

[Andretex]

Personally, the implication that I'm not "a real Lucid driver" is a bit offensive. While I drive a Touring instead of a GT, I'm quickly approaching 40k miles on my car, and I'd say I'm more than familiar with these cars. Again, if you think you can do so much better than we did then prove it.

Shane, i did not realize you had a touring. But one quick question, why did you agree to get to zero % in the GT? Why did Dave leave a charger before the target % because he read it wrong? Was no one checking the math? I am sure you guys got 3 miles per kwh (or so) at 80 mph. Was the efficiency somewhat consistent? If so, again why take that risk to zero?

 

[Shane_SLC]

Shane, i did not realize you had a touring. But one quick question, why did you agree to get to zero % in the GT? Why did Dave leave a charger before the target % because he read it wrong? Was no one checking the math? I am sure you guys got 3 miles per kwh (or so) at 80 mph. Was the efficiency somewhat consistent? If so, again why take that risk to zero?

I'll do my best to make sure these things are discussed in our podcast later. If there's anything else you or others want mentioned please let me know.

 

[ATP2023]

Next time, please include a real Lucid driver in the race. I love driving my Lucid on long trips. I know how my car charges and how the battery is used. I am sure a real Lucid driver would have come in 2nd in this race.

Remember the video is like a Tyson v Paul fight, only for entertainment.

I agree these videos are for entertainment, but the unfortunate part is for those folks looking to get into an EV it doesn’t paint the right picture. It will make people think thats how a EV is supposed to be used and scares them away because the stopping every hour or two for a long cross country is not something everyone wants to do. Ive read comments on youtube that shows how these videos an influence others to buy certain EV’s. And it the unfortunate event for Lucid it didnt do it any favors. Even on a ICE running it to E its rolling the dice to make to the next gas station.