The I-90 Surge by Out of Spec Studios

Yeah, I know these crazy long videos are too much for most people, but I love it! I think/hope the plan is to do a shorter video/podcast with each team to try and summarize the race from each perspective. I'll try and post a summary from Team Lucid's POV here after each video goes up for those that don't want to watch the whole thing.
Dude, nice “super double secret doesn’t exist” interface! 🤣


Watching you zoom into what is essentially a terminal on a website is *painful* lol. We need to get you Home Assistant :p

Or @joec Bear Assist 🤫
 
Dude, nice “super double secret doesn’t exist” interface! 🤣


Watching you zoom into what is essentially a terminal on a website is *painful* lol. We need to get you Home Assistant :p

Or @joec Bear Assist 🤫
If there's a better/easier way to see the data on mobile (Android) I'm all for it. 👀
 
If there's a better/easier way to see the data on mobile (Android) I'm all for it. 👀
Home Assistant. You get all of the same data, but in a UI (and there’s an HA mobile app). You can even set it up on some cloud server somewhere if you want, and hook up *only* the Lucid integration, if you’re feeling lazy.
 
Hey @Shane_SLC,

What was Alex’s reasoning when he mentioned turning off the Lucid’s driver assistance and only using adaptive cruise control when you guys were in the Cascade Mountains (about an hour and a half to two hours out of Seattle)? Was it something about the drivers assistance not getting all the regen that the vehicle could? I didn’t quite follow. Do you recall?

Also, my family and I have watched about 2 hours 20 minutes of the video, and our 6 year old has dubbed the Genesis team “Team Funny” due to Robert’s comments. 😉

Also, please pass on our appreciation of all the video editing Jordan has done!
 
Hey @Shane_SLC,

What was Alex’s reasoning when he mentioned turning off the Lucid’s driver assistance and only using adaptive cruise control when you guys were in the Cascade Mountains (about an hour and a half to two hours out of Seattle)? Was it something about the drivers assistance not getting all the regen that the vehicle could? I didn’t quite follow. Do you recall?

Also, my family and I have watched about 2 hours 20 minutes of the video, and our 6 year old has dubbed the Genesis team “Team Funny” due to Robert’s comments. 😉

Also, please pass on our appreciation of all the video editing Jordan has done!
During this section he decided to switch off of Highway Assist and onto Adaptive Cruise due to HA automatically slowing down on curves in the road, which there were a lot of through that section. We felt it was a little too aggressive and wanted to maintain higher speeds as much as possible. He also mentioned switching to Standard regen instead of High so that less speed would be scrubbed off when adjusting or deactivating ACC while making a pass.

It's been really awesome seeing the other teams' POV, and I'm glad that they've all been much more entertaining than I was!
 
Ok so when do we get the next chapter?? And what's with previewing Dave saying "this might be game over"? Just a teaser??
 
During this section he decided to switch off of Highway Assist and onto Adaptive Cruise due to HA automatically slowing down on curves in the road, which there were a lot of through that section. We felt it was a little too aggressive and wanted to maintain higher speeds as much as possible. He also mentioned switching to Standard regen instead of High so that less speed would be scrubbed off when adjusting or deactivating ACC while making a pass.

It's been really awesome seeing the other teams' POV, and I'm glad that they've all been much more entertaining than I was!
Loving this video, it’s a great education all around. It proves to me (Kyle would disagree) that efficiency and range, which the Lucid is best at, matters more than charging speed because efficiency can be controlled, but the charging infrastructure is still crappy enough where your charge can get sabotaged by the infrastructure even though you did everything right.
 
Ok so when do we get the next chapter?? And what's with previewing Dave saying "this might be game over"? Just a teaser??
Most likely next Saturday morning, and then the final episode the Saturday after that. It'll be clear early on in the next episode what he's referring to. 🤫
 
Loving this video, it’s a great education all around. It proves to me (Kyle would disagree) that efficiency and range, which the Lucid is best at, matters more than charging speed because efficiency can be controlled, but the charging infrastructure is still crappy enough where your charge can get sabotaged by the infrastructure even though you did everything right.
All I'll say is withhold judgements until the end. Things really start getting interesting in the next episode. 😉
 
Home Assistant. You get all of the same data, but in a UI (and there’s an HA mobile app). You can even set it up on some cloud server somewhere if you want, and hook up *only* the Lucid integration, if you’re feeling lazy.
For example, this is what my HA looks like right now at the top of my “Garage” tab.

IMG_0442.webp

Ignore it being cutoff, that’s fixable I’m just lazy and prefer compact. I know the units are miles and degrees. :)

There’s a dozen other reasons, but *just* displaying info is useful on its own, imho.
 
During this section he decided to switch off of Highway Assist and onto Adaptive Cruise due to HA automatically slowing down on curves in the road, which there were a lot of through that section. We felt it was a little too aggressive and wanted to maintain higher speeds as much as possible. He also mentioned switching to Standard regen instead of High so that less speed would be scrubbed off when adjusting or deactivating ACC while making a pass.

It's been really awesome seeing the other teams' POV, and I'm glad that they've all been much more entertaining than I was!
No worries on the entertaining bit, some people just have the “gift of gab” (or “curse” if you are around them and feeling irritable). 😉

Thinking back on the video, initially in the mountains outside of Seattle Team Lucid was behind by a bit because of missing speed limit changes, do you recall how far (time wise) you were behind at that point? I wasn’t sure if it was in the 10-15 min range or longer.

Changing subjects slightly, @borski and @Shane_SLC is that information you two are talking about basically what one would get through an OBD port scanner (if I understand the terminology correctly and what I have seen the Out-of-spec crew use)? So is Lucid uploading the information to servers and then you are pulling it from there?
 
No worries on the entertaining bit, some people just have the “gift of gab” (or “curse” if you are around them and feeling irritable). 😉

Thinking back on the video, initially in the mountains outside of Seattle Team Lucid was behind by a bit because of missing speed limit changes, do you recall how far (time wise) you were behind at that point? I wasn’t sure if it was in the 10-15 min range or longer.

Changing subjects slightly, @borski and @Shane_SLC is that information you two are talking about basically what one would get through an OBD port scanner (if I understand the terminology correctly and what I have seen the Out-of-spec crew use)? So is Lucid uploading the information to servers and then you are pulling it from there?
@segbrk and I reversed the API the mobile app uses, and wrote a Python library to talk to it; then we built a Home Assistant integration that uses that Python library.

Thread here: https://lucidowners.com/threads/home-assistant-automations.7897/
 
No worries on the entertaining bit, some people just have the “gift of gab” (or “curse” if you are around them and feeling irritable). 😉

Thinking back on the video, initially in the mountains outside of Seattle Team Lucid was behind by a bit because of missing speed limit changes, do you recall how far (time wise) you were behind at that point? I wasn’t sure if it was in the 10-15 min range or longer.

Changing subjects slightly, @borski and @Shane_SLC is that information you two are talking about basically what one would get through an OBD port scanner (if I understand the terminology correctly and what I have seen the Out-of-spec crew use)? So is Lucid uploading the information to servers and then you are pulling it from there?
I think we only briefly missed getting up to the max speed, so that didn't set us back too much. It was mostly us being at the back of the line to leave the parking lot (due to us having the longest range) and getting stopped at an intersection or two, as well as not weaving through traffic as aggressively as some other teams. Even with all of that we were not more than 5-10 minutes behind the lead car, so no big deal.
 
Out of Spec team should have put someone familiar with the charging curve of the GT-P, DE, and GT 25' lineup. Even folks more familiar with the car in general other than Dave and whoever else that was (not Shane) would have been a huge boon.

There is no real difference between unplugging at 58% and 72% charging rate wise. The slowdown plus circling back plus lag time in the start makes this hard watch in some respects due to personal enthusiasm for the brand, and I get the impression Dave was calling the shots (not Shane's fault).

There is huge bias from Out of Spec towards Porsche. Maybe ground will be made up, but the bias is blatant. This is once again a video where mishaps edge out Porsche over Lucid when it should be dead equal.
 
Out of Spec team should have put someone familiar with the charging curve of the GT-P, DE, and GT 25' lineup. Even folks more familiar with the car in general other than Dave and whoever else that was (not Shane) would have been a huge boon.

There is no real difference between unplugging at 58% and 72% charging rate wise. The slowdown plus circling back plus lag time in the start makes this hard watch in some respects due to personal enthusiasm for the brand, and I get the impression Dave was calling the shots (not Shane's fault).

There is huge bias from Out of Spec towards Porsche. Maybe ground will be made up, but the bias is blatant. This is once again a video where mishaps edge out Porsche over Lucid when it should be dead equal.
Kyle tried. The fact I was there should tell you how desperate he was for a knowledgeable Lucid driver, but in my opinion it wouldn't have made a significant difference, at least up to this point.

The circling back in Billings was indeed my fault due to misreading the readout on the charger. But in reality we realized as soon we pulled out of the parking lot and turned around at the next traffic light, so we only lost a few minutes of time at most.

I'll admit that throughout the trip I was more passive and not as assertive as i probably should have been, but that's just my nature. We were consistently arriving at chargers at 5% SoC or less up until this point, and I would argue that we were already pushing the car harder than we really ought to have been, especially as we had to reduce speed multiple times. Looking back I definitively would have charged longer to maintain higher speeds.

I have to respectfully disagree about any bias towards the Porsche. In respect to charging, the numbers really don't lie, and the Taycan can onboard more energy significantly faster than the Air. Unfortunately for the Lucid, the benefits of greater efficiency and longer range disappear pretty quickly on a continuous race like this.

Does the fact that the Taycan is outpacing the Lucid in the race so far indicate the Taycan is definitively the better long distance road tripper or better EV in general? I would argue no, as this race is not really a real world representation of how people travel. If teams only traveled 12-16 hours each day and then stopped to charge overnight as most folks would, the Lucid would undoubtedly be doing much better. I think it's meant to be more of an entertaining thought experiment rather than saying one car is definitively superior to another, aside from perhaps getting from point A to point B across 3000 miles nonstop, which is really a silly comparison, anyways. Also, the Model 3 is ahead of us at this point as well, so it's not just the Porsche.

I'll agree that we did not 100% optimize the car, but the same is true for every other car as well, including the Porsche. Although the Taycan did do really well optimizing overall, we all made mistakes and lost time that we really shouldn't have, and while it skews the times for each team a bit, I feel like it evened out more or less, in the end. I'm pretty confident that if we all did this again that we'd all be at least a little bit faster, but I don't feel like the positions would change significantly.

If anyone feels like this series is a disservice to Lucid or unfairly representing any of the cars, please reach out to Out of Spec and let them know. With enough feedback or suggestions for improvement I think they'd certainly consider revisiting the results in some way, but I'd ask to withhold judgements until the final video. If I or anyone else on the Lucid team did not meet your expectations I sincerely apologize, but I hope you can appreciate that all 3 of us really did our best at the time. I don't feel like we could have pushed the car any harder. Smarter and more wisely, absolutely, but not harder.
 
You'll just have to watch and see!
C’mon man…… tell us!!! I love Kyle but just can’t endure 8 hours of commentary for something that could been done in 1 😂
 
C’mon man…… tell us!!! I love Kyle but just can’t endure 8 hours of commentary for something that could been done in 1 😂
If I'm not mistaken there will be a significantly shorter cut going up after the main series, so you can always just wait for that. Otherwise, you can just watch the last bit of each video to get an idea of how things are shaping up. 😁
 
Kyle tried. The fact I was there should tell you how desperate he was for a knowledgeable Lucid driver, but in my opinion it wouldn't have made a significant difference, at least up to this point.

The circling back in Billings was indeed my fault due to misreading the readout on the charger. But in reality we realized as soon we pulled out of the parking lot and turned around at the next traffic light, so we only lost a few minutes of time at most.

I'll admit that throughout the trip I was more passive and not as assertive as i probably should have been, but that's just my nature. We were consistently arriving at chargers at 5% SoC or less up until this point, and I would argue that we were already pushing the car harder than we really ought to have been, especially as we had to reduce speed multiple times. Looking back I definitively would have charged longer to maintain higher speeds.

I have to respectfully disagree about any bias towards the Porsche. In respect to charging, the numbers really don't lie, and the Taycan can onboard more energy significantly faster than the Air. Unfortunately for the Lucid, the benefits of greater efficiency and longer range disappear pretty quickly on a continuous race like this.

Does the fact that the Taycan is outpacing the Lucid in the race so far indicate the Taycan is definitively the better long distance road tripper or better EV in general? I would argue no, as this race is not really a real world representation of how people travel. If teams only traveled 12-16 hours each day and then stopped to charge overnight as most folks would, the Lucid would undoubtedly be doing much better. I think it's meant to be more of an entertaining thought experiment rather than saying one car is definitively superior to another, aside from perhaps getting from point A to point B across 3000 miles nonstop, which is really a silly comparison, anyways. Also, the Model 3 is ahead of us at this point as well, so it's not just the Porsche.

I'll agree that we did not 100% optimize the car, but the same is true for every other car as well, including the Porsche. Although the Taycan did do really well optimizing overall, we all made mistakes and lost time that we really shouldn't have, and while it skews the times for each team a bit, I feel like it evened out more or less, in the end. I'm pretty confident that if we all did this again that we'd all be at least a little bit faster, but I don't feel like the positions would change significantly.

If anyone feels like this series is a disservice to Lucid or unfairly representing any of the cars, please reach out to Out of Spec and let them know. With enough feedback or suggestions for improvement I think they'd certainly consider revisiting the results in some way, but I'd ask to withhold judgements until the final video. If I or anyone else on the Lucid team did not meet your expectations I sincerely apologize, but I hope you can appreciate that all 3 of us really did our best at the time. I don't feel like we could have pushed the car any harder. Smarter and more wisely, absolutely, but not harder.
No disrespect intended here Shane. We've met. You know I can be a bit blunt. No need to apologize to me or anyone else. I would be willing to pitch in and take PTO if they need someone to help with the videos for the Lucid front.

As I suspected, you did the best with the available knowledge on the team. The time commitment is appreciated. Long hours of driving turn the sharpest minds dull and make mistakes more likely, and I cannot fault the three of you for your efforts.

The trip is not at all how people would travel. The format though puts time for completion at the forefront. Lucid is by far superior comfort and space wise, plus a number of other areas (objectively and subjectively). My hope is the last video includes anecdotal evidence of comfort, storage, and ease of driving at the end to balance the race aspects.

Again, I appreciate the effort. I am not a fan of just critiquing, and if Out of Spec needs Lucid folks, I am willing to put my time and money where my mouth is to give the brand the best representation possible through their videos. Apologies for any misunderstanding.
 
No disrespect intended here Shane. We've met. You know I can be a bit blunt. No need to apologize to me or anyone else. I would be willing to pitch in and take PTO if they need someone to help with the videos for the Lucid front.

As I suspected, you did the best with the available knowledge on the team. The time commitment is appreciated. Long hours of driving turn the sharpest minds dull and make mistakes more likely, and I cannot fault the three of you for your efforts.

The trip is not at all how people would travel. The format though puts time for completion at the forefront. Lucid is by far superior comfort and space wise, plus a number of other areas (objectively and subjectively). My hope is the last video includes anecdotal evidence of comfort, storage, and ease of driving at the end to balance the race aspects.

Again, I appreciate the effort. I am not a fan of just critiquing, and if Out of Spec needs Lucid folks, I am willing to put my time and money where my mouth is to give the brand the best representation possible through their videos. Apologies for any misunderstanding.
It's all good. My understanding is each team will do a podcast-style video breaking down the trip from their perspective at some point, and I'll ensure all the positives are emphasized and noted for the Lucid. While the trip wasn't problem free for us, we were all pleased and impressed at how the car performed overall. Hopefully next time Team Lucid will have more knowledge and expertise, as well.
 
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