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True story:
This afternoon, I was sitting at a stoplight, listening to some music, when I notice that a woman in the car to my left is motioning for me to roll down my window. I pause the music and roll down the window.
She says, "What kind of car is that?"
I reply, "It's a Lucid"
No reply, she's just kind of staring at the car...
"It's an EV." I add.
She asks, "How do you like it?"
Me: "I love it!"
Her: "What did you drive before?"
Me: "I had a Tesla, but then Elon started acting too crazy and I just couldn't feel good about driving it anymore."
She breaks into the biggest grin and just says, "I love you."
Light turns green and we go our separate ways...
 
It was a Korean SUV - not sure which model.
 
True story:
This afternoon, I was sitting at a stoplight, listening to some music, when I notice that a woman in the car to my left is motioning for me to roll down my window. I pause the music and roll down the window.
She says, "What kind of car is that?"
I reply, "It's a Lucid"
No reply, she's just kind of staring at the car...
"It's an EV." I add.
She asks, "How do you like it?"
Me: "I love it!"
Her: "What did you drive before?"
Me: "I had a Tesla, but then Elon started acting too crazy and I just couldn't feel good about driving it anymore."
She breaks into the biggest grin and just says, "I love you."
Light turns green and we go our separate ways...
I don't feel good about Elon, but Tesla still makes good cars. I still own one. I like the Lucid better though. When I got the Lucid, I wasn't thinking about getting a Tesla. I can't say how much of a factor Elon was, but he certainly didn't help matters. After test driving the Air, stepping back into the Model S that I drove to the showroom felt like a step down. But I also wonder if people should try to punish Elon by punishing themselves. It will take years before Lucid has a full lineup, and for now, some of Tesla's models are a good choice for many people. I care more about the other 87% or so of stockholders, as well as tens of thousands of employees, than I do about Elon. If he loses a few billion dollars, it won't affect his lifestyle.

In the long run, I hope that Lucid ends up with a competitive lineup that beats Tesla across the board, but for now, they are ahead in many ways but behind in some. There are still lots of things that Tesla's software does that are missing in the Lucid, as well as some poor choices they made that Lucid got right. Lucid's finally at the point with ADAS that it does what I actually care about most day to day, but I wouldn't mind seeing more.
 
I don't feel good about Elon, but Tesla still makes good cars. I still own one. I like the Lucid better though. When I got the Lucid, I wasn't thinking about getting a Tesla. I can't say how much of a factor Elon was, but he certainly didn't help matters. After test driving the Air, stepping back into the Model S that I drove to the showroom felt like a step down. But I also wonder if people should try to punish Elon by punishing themselves. It will take years before Lucid has a full lineup, and for now, some of Tesla's models are a good choice for many people. I care more about the other 87% or so of stockholders, as well as tens of thousands of employees, than I do about Elon. If he loses a few billion dollars, it won't affect his lifestyle.

In the long run, I hope that Lucid ends up with a competitive lineup that beats Tesla across the board, but for now, they are ahead in many ways but behind in some. There are still lots of things that Tesla's software does that are missing in the Lucid, as well as some poor choices they made that Lucid got right. Lucid's finally at the point with ADAS that it does what I actually care about most day to day, but I wouldn't mind seeing more.
I’m having a really tough time with the whole Elon Musk thing. I was a relatively early adopter of Tesla — getting my Model 3P in 2018 — and was a real fan of what Musk was trying to do (or at least what he was saying he was trying to do) with electrifying the transportation system, saving the world, etc.

Politics aside, I just do not at all like how polarizing a figure he has become and I have a real issue with being associated with him because it causes some to jump to conclusions about me, my politics and my worldview.

I have no interest in the world of sound bites. Our world is facing complicated issues that require thoughtful dialog and working through our differences, not something that can happen through overly simplistic tweets and showboat grandstanding — however brilliant the intellect of the person speaking them might be. It’s just a tragically wrong turn IMHO if we hope to actually chip away at some of the glaring issues facing our species.

Am I going to sell my Tesla when my Air has been built / delivered? Yes. After test driving the Lucid I just no longer think the Model 3P is “all that” and that’s why I will sell it. However, I may never had made my way to actually look into buying a Lucid (as much as I have been a long time watcher and fan boy of the Company’s tech and overall approach) were it not for my discomfort with any person in a position of power — no matter what side of the political spectrum they fall on — behaving the way Elon now does on a near daily basis. I just don’t find it at all in line with his professed goal of saving the world and I’d rather put my money behind folks who actually still want to have dialogue and try…
 
I don't feel good about Elon, but Tesla still makes good cars. I still own one. I like the Lucid better though. When I got the Lucid, I wasn't thinking about getting a Tesla. I can't say how much of a factor Elon was, but he certainly didn't help matters. After test driving the Air, stepping back into the Model S that I drove to the showroom felt like a step down.
I don't like Elon, but Tesla has never made good cars (in my opinion). They had made new cars that were innovative, but I never thought they were good cars.

I loved the original roadster because it was fun as hell, but it was simultaneously a death trap.

So, for what it's worth, me not liking Tesla's cars has nothing to do with Elon; but he doesn't help matters now either.

But I also wonder if people should try to punish Elon by punishing themselves. It will take years before Lucid has a full lineup, and for now, some of Tesla's models are a good choice for many people. I care more about the other 87% or so of stockholders, as well as tens of thousands of employees, than I do about Elon. If he loses a few billion dollars, it won't affect his lifestyle.
They're no longer the best choice for many people, however, I would argue Kia/Hyundai offer better choices in Tesla's price range. And that is extremely sad. I love that there's more competition, I just wish Tesla were still competing. (in innovation, etc., and I'm not counting the cybertruck or this robotaxi or the never-to-be-released roadster, none of which are serving the same market you're talking about).

And I do think Elon is the one holding Tesla back from innovating and competing again. They need leadership, and he is simply not leading.

In the long run, I hope that Lucid ends up with a competitive lineup that beats Tesla across the board, but for now, they are ahead in many ways but behind in some. There are still lots of things that Tesla's software does that are missing in the Lucid, as well as some poor choices they made that Lucid got right. Lucid's finally at the point with ADAS that it does what I actually care about most day to day, but I wouldn't mind seeing more.
Agreed completely. The difference is I don't see Tesla improving their lineup very much.

Let me be super-clear: I hope they do. I want them to be real competition, outside of just mass sales at low prices. I want more competition, not less. I love Lucid's vehicle, but it's extremely important to note that that is singular tense and not plural.

Please nobody come @ me by saying Tesla is innovating. That's fine, I know; they finally had 48v in their cybertruck. Woo. That's not what I'm talking about, and you know it. I mean it with sincerity, not with derision toward Tesla or Elon. I genuinely want them to compete well. They just aren't today.
 
I’m having a really tough time with the whole Elon Musk thing. I was a relatively early adopter of Tesla — getting my Model 3P in 2018 — and was a real fan of what Musk was trying to do (or at least what he was saying he was trying to do) with electrifying the transportation system, saving the world, etc.

Politics aside, I just do not at all like how polarizing a figure he has become and I have a real issue with being associated with him because it causes some to jump to conclusions about me, my politics and my worldview.
Same. I did not always dislike Elon. I used to follow him and respect him immensely; he was an "engineer's engineer" in many ways, or so I thought.

That is not who he is today. People change. That's OK. I have too.

But I don't have to like the person he is now for the sake of the person he once was.

I have no interest in the world of sound bites. Our world is facing complicated issues that require thoughtful dialog and working through our differences, not something that can happen through overly simplistic tweets and showboat grandstanding — however brilliant the intellect of the person speaking them might be. It’s just a tragically wrong turn IMHO if we hope to actually chip away at some of the glaring issues facing our species.
God, we need to grab a beer. I could not agree more. And "Mars will save us" is also not the answer, as neat as it would be to get to Mars eventually.

Am I going to sell my Tesla when my Air has been built / delivered? Yes. After test driving the Lucid I just no longer think the Model 3P is “all that” and that’s why I will sell it. However, I may never had made my way to actually look into buying a Lucid (as much as I have been a long time watcher and fan boy of the Company’s tech and overall approach) were it not for my discomfort with any person in a position of power — no matter what side of the political spectrum they fall on — behaving the way Elon now does on a near daily basis. I just don’t find it at all in line with his professed goal of saving the world and I’d rather put my money behind folks who actually still want to have dialogue and try…
I still would've gone to Lucid; my alternative was deciding between an Audi R8 Spyder or a Model S Plaid. What sold me on Lucid was the car; nothing else. I didn't give a crap about Elon at the time, and I was a big fan of SpaceX. Just my $.02, of course, but that's what sold me - the car, the innovation, the engineering, and the design.

The very same thing that originally almost sold me on the Tesla Roadster in 2011, except I didn't have the money to buy it. But boy, did I want to.
 
I’m having a really tough time with the whole Elon Musk thing. I was a relatively early adopter of Tesla — getting my Model 3P in 2018 — and was a real fan of what Musk was trying to do (or at least what he was saying he was trying to do) with electrifying the transportation system, saving the world, etc.

Politics aside, I just do not at all like how polarizing a figure he has become and I have a real issue with being associated with him because it causes some to jump to conclusions about me, my politics and my worldview.
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Am I going to sell my Tesla when my Air has been built / delivered? Yes. After test driving the Lucid I just no longer think the Model 3P is “all that” and that’s why I will sell it. However, I may never had made my way to actually look into buying a Lucid (as much as I have been a long time watcher and fan boy of the Company’s tech and overall approach) were it not for my discomfort with any person in a position of power — no matter what side of the political spectrum they fall on — behaving the way Elon now does on a near daily basis. I just don’t find it at all in line with his professed goal of saving the world and I’d rather put my money behind folks who actually still want to have dialogue and try…
I have no problem with anybody holding any particular political views. I do have a problem with people expressing hatred, and I fully understand why people won't want to buy a product from a company that's represented by such a person. I hate to even call it politics since many of his divisive positions have nothing to do with governing. They have more to do with intolerance and spreading hatred and misinformation.

The Air is unquestionably far better than the Model 3. I had one (VIN 553) from early on, and it was a good car, especially compared to what else was available in 2017. My Model S is from 2014, and there was nothing else close to it at the time. When I first read about the Lucid in 2016, I expected that it would be geared toward luxury car buyers who found the Model S too spartan but wanted to get an EV without losing luxury. There were other future EVs in the work at the time, most notably Faraday Future, with some talk about a resurrection of Fisker, but Lucid was the only one that I found compelling. I didn't expect to get one some day, but I finally got to that point in life where my wife said that buying one because I want one is a good enough reason.

It still doesn't mean that I'm going to get rid of the Model S. I don't really need anything else. I don't think that Elon would care one way or another whether I or somebody else owns it and nobody I meet thinks that I support Elon just because I drive one.

There are probably many CEOs with equally disturbing beliefs who keep their mouth shut.
 
Same. I did not always dislike Elon. I used to follow him and respect him immensely; he was an "engineer's engineer" in many ways, or so I thought.

That is not who he is today. People change. That's OK. I have too.

But I don't have to like the person he is now for the sake of the person he once was.


God, we need to grab a beer. I could not agree more. And "Mars will save us" is also not the answer, as neat as it would be to get to Mars eventually.


I still would've gone to Lucid; my alternative was deciding between an Audi R8 Spyder or a Model S Plaid. What sold me on Lucid was the car; nothing else. I didn't give a crap about Elon at the time, and I was a big fan of SpaceX. Just my $.02, of course, but that's what sold me - the car, the innovation, the engineering, and the design.

The very same thing that originally almost sold me on the Tesla Roadster in 2011, except I didn't have the money to buy it. But boy, did I want to.
Couldn’t agree more with what you’ve said in these last two posts!
 
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