Standard Dream Drive doesn’t have lane centering?

[joec]

I agree. My 2022 Model S came standard with lane centering, ACC, and lane change camera (albeit in a stupid location) with the option to upgrade to Enhanced Autopilot (auto lane change, etc.) for $6K and Full Self Driving for $15K. I don't place a value on auto park or summon type of functionality so I'm not clear what extra driving experience I'm getting with Dream Drive Pro at this point when adding on to a Touring order and why I'm being charged $10K for lesser functionality than what Tesla offers in the $6K Enhanced Auto option. If they had also released auto lane change with this update it could at least be somewhat comparable. I get that they are talking about adding advanced functions in the future, but the price for the premium functions should reflect the capabilities at the time of purchase for early adopters and it feels like a money grab.

You're putting Lucid and money grab in the same paragraph where you are suggesting Tesla isn't doing the same thing with FSD? 15k to make my car try to kill bicyclists and phantom brake every ten minutes?

Lots of people here have said they prefer driving their own car to having the computer drive, anyway. FSD is not having your car drive for you. It's way worse than that. It's you having to watch over a teenager on their first drive, every single day. And they never get any better at it. So you have to keep taking over as you almost crash into something.

Until one day you wise up, realize you wasted your money, and turn off FSD for the rest of the car's life.

I can't fathom why people prefer that to just driving themselves, but I have lots of friends who do. I've stopped trying to figure it out.

If DDPro isn't worth 10k to you, that's cool. You are not a customer for Dream Drive Pro. And if you think the Tesla is a better value because it has lane centering without paying the extra, then keep your Tesla, or buy another one. I'm glad Tesla is still out there for people who prioritize those specific features. They are fine cars with plenty of satisfied customers.

What drove me to Lucid is all the ways they are not Tesla. Sure, they need to compete and offer some similar features, but I like that there are more EVs available now, designed with different philosophies and priorities. To me, the extra interior room and efficiency, the 360 cameras, the larger auto-closing frunk, the far classier visual design cues, and the all-around better ride quality all make Touring a better value. And they make Lucid a more valuable brand.

But no reason folks can't disagree with me. To each their own. Land of the free and all that.

 

[gavram]

Has there been any indication that delivery of more advanced software functions may accelerate now that the performance enhancement projects for the main stack is done (or close)?

 

[borski]

Has there been any indication that delivery of more advanced software functions may accelerate now that the performance enhancement projects for the main stack is done (or close)?

No, but that is how software works. If the entire team isn’t spending their time rewriting the existing stuff, they can spend their time working on new features and fixing bugs. It’s not like they hired a bunch of temp contractors for the rewrite.

 

[joec]

Has there been any indication that delivery of more advanced software functions may accelerate now that the performance enhancement projects for the main stack is done (or close)?

Any formal indication, or speculation from forum nerds like us?

I haven't heard anything official from Lucid on that front. My guess is they will talk up 2.0 at the earnings call a bit. And then maybe, just maybe, make some implications that more great stuff is on the way. But I wouldn't expect many promises. Carplay/Android Auto is the next glaring omission they want to address, to be sure. Once that ships, hard to know what is at the top of their list.

I think they are making a much longer play on the DDPro front. Likely, we'll see new features trickle out over time, rather than any lofty promises of level 3, 4, or 5 autonomy on any timeframe. Just my guess.

 

[HC_79]

Well, you’re also getting the most amazing 360 view on the market, plus Highway Assist, which is extremely stable and consistent.

360 view comes on Mercedes, BMW, Audi and it's not a $10K add on. You also don't need LiDAR for lane centering as very few cars on the roads today have LiDAR. For the more autonomous features yes the $10K hardware investment is probably justified but lane centering shouldn't be a DDP feature in my opinion especially when the competitors in the segment are offering it as standard or a significantly cheaper option to add on.

 

[gavram]

You're putting Lucid and money grab in the same paragraph where you are suggesting Tesla isn't doing the same thing with FSD? 15k to make my car try to kill bicyclists and phantom brake every ten minutes?

Lots of people here have said they prefer driving their own car to having the computer drive, anyway. FSD is not having your car drive for you. It's way worse than that. It's you having to watch over a teenager on their first drive, every single day. And they never get any better at it. So you have to keep taking over as you almost crash into something.

Until one day you wise up, realize you wasted your money, and turn off FSD for the rest of the car's life.

I can't fathom why people prefer that to just driving themselves, but I have lots of friends who do. I've stopped trying to figure it out.

If DDPro isn't worth 10k to you, that's cool. You are not a customer for Dream Drive Pro. And if you think the Tesla is a better value because it has lane centering without paying the extra, then keep your Tesla, or buy another one. I'm glad Tesla is still out there for people who prioritize those specific features. They are fine cars with plenty of satisfied customers.

What drove me to Lucid is all the ways they are not Tesla. Sure, they need to compete and offer some similar features, but I like that there are more EVs available now, designed with different philosophies and priorities. To me, the extra interior room and efficiency, the 360 cameras, the larger auto-closing frunk, the far classier visual design cues, and the all-around better ride quality all make Touring a better value. And they make Lucid a more valuable brand.

But no reason folks can't disagree with me. To each their own. Land of the free and all that.

So wanting something more than lane centering and ACC at the time I'm being asked to pay $10K for advanced driving options is unreasonable?

 

[HC_79]

I think they are making a much longer play on the DDPro front. Likely, we'll see new features trickle out over time, rather than any lofty promises of level 3, 4, or 5 autonomy on any timeframe. Just my guess

I agree. I doubt we will hear much about DDP in the earnings call. From the little Lucid has revealed on it they're definitely selling it as the long play on this.

 

[gavram]

Any formal indication, or speculation from forum nerds like us?

I haven't heard anything official from Lucid on that front. My guess is they will talk up 2.0 at the earnings call a bit. And then maybe, just maybe, make some implications that more great stuff is on the way. But I wouldn't expect many promises. Carplay/Android Auto is the next glaring omission they want to address, to be sure. Once that ships, hard to know what is at the top of their list.

I think they are making a much longer play on the DDPro front. Likely, we'll see new features trickle out over time, rather than any lofty promises of level 3, 4, or 5 autonomy on any timeframe. Just my guess.

Speculation works Just kidding...I wasn't sure if maybe one of the insiders on the forum may have heard any general feedback on software dev resources now being freed up to focus on new roadmap items. I would love to see Android Auto...I hate not having it in the Tesla!

 

[borski]

360 view comes on Mercedes, BMW, Audi and it's not a $10K add on. You also don't need LiDAR for lane centering as very few cars on the roads today have LiDAR. For the more autonomous features yes the $10K hardware investment is probably justified but lane centering shouldn't be a DDP feature in my opinion especially when the competitors in the segment are offering it as standard or a significantly cheaper option to add on.

I understand where you’re coming from. I will say the 360 view on the Lucid is unparalleled by any other maker in terms of detail and clarity, largely due to the additional cameras.

I don’t think you’re going to change Lucid’s mind; I’m just trying to explain the differences.

 

[HC_79]

I don’t think you’re going to change Lucid’s mind; I’m just trying to explain the differences.

Of course not. That was all locked and loaded from day 1 so to be fair, everyone knows what they're getting. I'm guessing they've done enough market research to justify why it's not a standard feature in DD.

 

[joec]

So wanting something more than lane centering and ACC at the time I'm being asked to pay $10K for advanced driving options is unreasonable?

I believe I suggeted it's perfectly reasonable.

"If DDPro isn't worth 10k to you, that's cool. You are not a customer for Dream Drive Pro."

 

[joec]

Speculation works Just kidding...I wasn't sure if maybe one of the insiders on the forum may have heard any general feedback on software dev resources now being freed up to focus on new roadmap items. I would love to see Android Auto...I hate not having it in the Tesla!

Android Auto/CarPlay is a great example of an area where Lucid can separate itself from Tesla. Personally, I think the more they go in this direction, and the less they try and compete with Tesla head on with automation, the better off they will be. At least in the short term, as they are gathering data from a small number of drivers.

 

[borski]

Android Auto/CarPlay is a great example of an area where Lucid can separate itself from Tesla. Personally, I think the more they go in this direction, and the less they try and compete with Tesla head on with automation, the better off they will be. At least in the short term, as they are gathering data from a small number of drivers.

Their partnership with nvidia may mean they have access to much more data than just lucid data.

 

[DBV]

I agree. My 2022 Model S came standard with lane centering, ACC, and lane change camera (albeit in a stupid location) with the option to upgrade to Enhanced Autopilot (auto lane change, etc.) for $6K and Full Self Driving for $15K. I don't place a value on auto park or summon type of functionality so I'm not clear what extra driving experience I'm getting with Dream Drive Pro at this point when adding on to a Touring order and why I'm being charged $10K for lesser functionality than what Tesla offers in the $6K Enhanced Auto option. If they had also released auto lane change with this update it could at least be somewhat comparable. I get that they are talking about adding advanced functions in the future, but the price for the premium functions should reflect the capabilities at the time of purchase for early adopters and it feels like a money grab.

I also like how Tesla has a subscription option, which is what I use. Can subscribe or resubscribe whenever. I wish Lucid could go that route.

 

[DBV]

Android Auto/CarPlay is a great example of an area where Lucid can separate itself from Tesla. Personally, I think the more they go in this direction, and the less they try and compete with Tesla head on with automation, the better off they will be. At least in the short term, as they are gathering data from a small number of drivers.

Definitely agree and one of the big reasons that I want a Lucid is for Carplay. I know sounds stupid, but I really love having CarPlay in our BMW.

 

[borski]

I also like how Tesla has a subscription option, which is what I use. Can subscribe or resubscribe whenever. I wish Lucid could go that route.

They can’t because of the additional hardware, unfortunately.

 

[muhanadkais]

Can you buy a 77k new model s right now? The cheapest spec is still 105k unless I'm missing something?

If you want to do apple to apple comparison, Model S dual motors with FREE AutoPilot and glass canopy cost you $105k while the Lucid ground with glass canopy, same amount of speakers and Dream Drive Pro (free version of Tesla AutoPilot) will cost you $126k

Can you buy a 77k new model s right now? The cheapest spec is still 105k unless I'm missing something?

Can you buy a 77k new model s right now? The cheapest spec is still 105k unless I'm missing something?

 

[borski]

If you want to do apple to apple comparison, Model S dual motors with FREE AutoPilot and glass canopy cost you $105k while the Lucid ground with glass canopy, same amount of speakers and Dream Drive Pro (free version of Tesla AutoPilot) will cost you $126k

And people are welcome to buy a Tesla if they prefer it. The Lucid offers a lot more for the money, in my opinion, in terms of luxury and handling, than a dual motor model S.

 

[muhanadkais]

And people are welcome to buy a Tesla if they prefer it. The Lucid offers a lot more for the money, in my opinion, in terms of luxury and handling, than a dual motor model S.

I am not sure about the handling statement. Model S has air suspension which is more expensive with auto adjustments. However, I haven’t test a Lucid yet as I am still waiting for my Lucid but scheduled for a test drive next week.

 

[borski]

I am not sure about the handling statement. Model S has air suspension which is more expensive with auto adjustments. However, I haven’t test a Lucid yet as I am still waiting for my Lucid but scheduled for a test drive next week.

Having driven both, I am sure. Let us know what you think after you’ve driven it.