Software Bugs

[hmp10]

It is violent and hearing damage loud . . . . I’m happy it only happened one time in my car and was cured by just locking it with the fob and running away. You cannot tolerate being inside the car when this happens, it’s like torture!

I have never seen @hmp10 noise blast problem at any time other than initial boot up . . . .

All three times it's happened to me was upon boot up, also. Twice it's happened when rear passengers were already seated, and they found it excruciating with the C-pillar speaker just inches from their ears. I've never seen people get out of a car so fast. I can't imagine what it would be like if this ever happened on a road where people couldn't quickly exit the car.

In fact, that's why I let them take the car back to the Service Center. My earlier screen blackouts and freezes had generally happened upon boot up. But the incident a week ago in which the screens froze and the A/C cut off was during a drive. Then the next evening we had that white noise blast again after everyone was already in the car. Although it was at boot up, I became afraid that the white noise burst could also occur while driving -- and I simply can't risk that happening on the road with people in the back seat.

 

[hmp10]

Does anyone know why the overhead lights above the mirror in the cockpit come on at random. A couple of times it is just the passenger side. I do not recall hitting the button to turn them on. Pushing the button turned them off though.

This has happened to me a few times. At least it responds to the button that turns them off -- unlike the white noise blasts that respond to nothing.

 

[hmp10]

As I mentioned before I've had this happen with my CHORD TT2 and my Woo WA8. Frequent of an implementation problem or a loose wire maybe causing a reading error? On Head-Fi they were saying the noise came from missing info from the beginning of file. Not my wheelhouse so can't describe in detail.

I would tend to discount a loose wire being the cause. In two of my incidents the white noise blast was intermittent, lasting several seconds and recurring at 15-20 second intervals. Although I didn't time the intervals, they seemed to be of consistent length. And in the most recent incident, the noise continued unbroken until the car went to sleep and was gone upon reboot.

 

[hmp10]

IMO, Model-S is overpriced. It was reasonable high price back then, as Tesla keep jacking up the price, its hardware and interior cabin didn’t change much except that yoke steering and back seat screen. Tesla disappointedly keep focusing on jacking up that beta software instead of improve its materials and quality.

What I find incredible is that some buyers will pay $15,000 for "Full Self Driving" (which is really just a Level 2 system currently), either not knowing or not caring about the legions of buyers who paid $3,000 -- then $8,000 -- then $10,000 -- then $12,000 -- and now $15,000 -- for the promise of autopilot or self-driving features which were either decontented during their ownership period (as happened with our 2015 Model S) or which never delivered the teased features during their ownership period.

It's why we took a pass on FSD when purchasing our Model S Plaid a year ago (for the "bargain" price of $10,000 at the time).

 

[CraZ8]

What I find incredible is that some buyers will pay $15,000 for "Full Self Driving" (which is really just a Level 2 system currently), either not knowing or not caring about the legions of buyers who paid $3,000 -- then $8,000 -- then $10,000 -- then $12,000 -- and now $15,000 -- for the promise of autopilot or self-driving features which were either decontented during their ownership period (as happened with our 2015 Model S) or which never delivered the teased features during their ownership period.

It's why we took a pass on FSD when purchasing our Model S Plaid a year ago (for the "bargain" price of $10,000 at the time).

I think it’s a real world example “fear of missing out” on full self driving. Sooner or later the people will catch on

 

[SDHacker]

California legislature got tired of the DMV failing to take action against Tesla for naming it's L2 features AutoPilot and FSD - which is already against DMV regulations - and added more to the vehicle code to try to get the DMV to do something (still has to be signed by governor).

(b) A manufacturer or dealer shall not name any partial driving automation feature, or describe any partial driving automation feature in marketing materials, using language that implies or would otherwise lead a reasonable person to believe, that the feature allows the vehicle to function as an autonomous vehicle, as defined in Section 38750, or otherwise has functionality not actually included in the feature. A violation of this subdivision shall be considered a misleading advertisement for the purposes of Section 11713.

DMV recently queried Tesla about FSD and says they've been investigating since early 2021. This could force Tesla to rename FSD in California.

 

[hmp10]

I think it’s a real world example “fear of missing out” on full self driving. Sooner or later the people will catch on

I think the real fear should belong to Model 3 and Model Y owners who paid thousands for FSD in cars that have no ADAS hardware other than optical cameras. Personally, I don't believe that Tesla will get beyond Level 3 ADAS with optical cameras only. Thus far I've got 4-5 years of missed promises from Tesla on my side of the argument.

 

[CraZ8]

I think the real fear should belong to Model 3 and Model Y owners who paid thousands for FSD in cars that have no ADAS hardware other than optical cameras. Personally, I don't believe that Tesla will get beyond Level 3 ADAS with optical cameras only. Thus far I've got 4-5 years of missed promises from Tesla on my side of the argument.

I had 6.5 years of promises after paying for FSD and I had enough of Elon pissing on my leg and telling me it’s raining.

 

[joec]

What I find incredible is that some buyers will pay $15,000 for "Full Self Driving" (which is really just a Level 2 system currently), either not knowing or not caring about the legions of buyers who paid $3,000 -- then $8,000 -- then $10,000 -- then $12,000 -- and now $15,000 -- for the promise of autopilot or self-driving features which were either decontented during their ownership period (as happened with our 2015 Model S) or which never delivered the teased features during their ownership period.

It's why we took a pass on FSD when purchasing our Model S Plaid a year ago (for the "bargain" price of $10,000 at the time).

I think Tesla is betting on the majority of users moving to the subscription for FSD. At $200 per month, people can turn it on for long road trips, and then turn it back off if they like. Far more people will “try it out” at that price. And many will keep it on most months.

Every bit of extra subscription revenue is free money to them, since it costs nothing extra to turn the feature on for individual drivers. It’s actually quite brilliant.

In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Elon went to vision only in the first place to avoid putting extra hardware in the cars, to make FSD pure profit. Who cares if it ever works? It’s millions of dollars of extra monthly revenue in the meantime.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

I would tend to discount a loose wire being the cause. In two of my incidents the white noise blast was intermittent, lasting several seconds and recurring at 15-20 second intervals. Although I didn't time the intervals, they seemed to be of consistent length. And in the most recent incident, the noise continued unbroken until the car went to sleep and was gone upon reboot.

I'm totally with you, I'm trying to figure out how any sound from a speaker can be from something other than the sound system? Warnings, music and the like have to come from code, through a DAC to an amp them out the speaker. Is there another way this could work?

 

[hmp10]

In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Elon went to vision only in the first place to avoid putting extra hardware in the cars, to make FSD pure profit. Who cares if it ever works? It’s millions of dollars of extra monthly revenue in the meantime.

That may well be part of his thinking. My worry is that other automakers are watching closely to see if his subscription model gets traction with consumers, and it will begin to spread to other features. Mercedes already floated it --unsuccessfully for the time being -- for rear-wheel steering, and BMW is dipping its toe into the water with other features (one of them being seat heaters, if I remember correctly). .

The day is coming when consumers will have to shell out base purchase prices that include the costs of hardware that they will then have to pay extra actually to use.

 

[EVCar]

The day is coming when consumers will have to shell out base purchase prices that include the costs of hardware that they will then have to pay extra actually to use.

I’m afraid you may be right.
Wondering how Mr. Musk would feel when a doc applies this business model and asks him to pay additional fee for a prescription.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

Hopefully the consumer rebels against this nonsense. I was and still am annoyed at Adobe for making Acrobat Pro a subscription.

 

[hmp10]

Hopefully the consumer rebels against this nonsense. I was and still am annoyed at Adobe for making Acrobat Pro a subscription.

Maybe they are, at least so far. I've read that only 3% of Tesla buyers are paying for full FSD in the China market. (Tesla is somehow keeping U.S. numbers quiet.) Mercedes backed away from charging a subscription fee for the 10% rear wheel steering angle over the stand 4% angle in the face of buyer anger.

Sirius Radio used to offer a one-time purchase price for a subscription that lasted for your duration of the car's ownership. They discontinued it and replaced it with an annual subscription fee. Microsoft did the same thing with their Office software suite.

I think more and more carmakers are going to keep pushing the edge on this until consumer resistance finally wears down. And more young buyers are accustomed to periodic subscription fees for smart devices and data services and are losing the sense that buying a car meant that all the features you paid the manufacturer put in the car were actually available for the purchaser to use without further payments.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

Maybe they are, at least so far. I've read that only 3% of Tesla buyers are paying for full FSD in the China market. (Tesla is somehow keeping U.S. numbers quiet.) Mercedes backed away from charging a subscription fee for the 10% rear wheel steering angle over the stand 4% angle in the face of buyer anger.

Sirius Radio used to offer a one-time purchase price for a subscription that lasted for your duration of the car's ownership. They discontinued it and replaced it with an annual subscription fee. Microsoft did the same thing with their Office software suite.

I think more and more carmakers are going to keep pushing the edge on this until consumer resistance finally wears down. And more young buyers are accustomed to periodic subscription fees for smart devices and data services and are losing the sense that buying a car meant that all the features you paid the manufacturer put in the car were actually available for the purchaser to use without further payments.

Yeah, it's terrible that's what in the past made your car better than the next. Can you imagine paying subscription for the Shelby version, but go to sell it and it's just the same as the rest?

 

[abbas2099]

Maybe they are, at least so far. I've read that only 3% of Tesla buyers are paying for full FSD in the China market. (Tesla is somehow keeping U.S. numbers quiet.) Mercedes backed away from charging a subscription fee for the 10% rear wheel steering angle over the stand 4% angle in the face of buyer anger.

Sirius Radio used to offer a one-time purchase price for a subscription that lasted for your duration of the car's ownership. They discontinued it and replaced it with an annual subscription fee. Microsoft did the same thing with their Office software suite.

I think more and more carmakers are going to keep pushing the edge on this until consumer resistance finally wears down. And more young buyers are accustomed to periodic subscription fees for smart devices and data services and are losing the sense that buying a car meant that all the features you paid the manufacturer put in the car were actually available for the purchaser to use without further payments.

Sirius satellite offered one time purchase for unlimited use when they first started off for $500 on any type of sat radio (car or home). Then they changed it that you could transfer it only 3x times for $75. I still have one of those subscriptions on my office radio.

 

[hmp10]

Sirius satellite offered one time purchase for unlimited use when they first started off for $500 on any type of sat radio (car or home). Then they changed it that you could transfer it only 3x times for $75. I still have one of those subscriptions on my office radio.

Yep, I purchased the $500 option for our 2011 Honda Odyssey. When we traded it for a 2018 Honda Odyssey and I tried to transfer the Sirius subscription, they told me that program had been discontinued. I could only purchase an annual subscription, which I did as the Honda had no streaming services available.

However, it left a sour enough taste in my mouth that I did not purchase a Sirius subscription when it was enabled for our Model S Plaid, and I do not care that our Lucid doesn't have Sirius.

 

[DeaneG]

I had 6.5 years of promises after paying for FSD and I had enough of Elon pissing on my leg and telling me it’s raining.

Just four years for me. I'm a quick learner .

 

[stratus]

Yep, I purchased the $500 option for our 2011 Honda Odyssey. When we traded it for a 2018 Honda Odyssey and I tried to transfer the Sirius subscription, they told me that program had been discontinued. I could only purchase an annual subscription, which I did as the Honda had no streaming services available.

However, it left a sour enough taste in my mouth that I did not purchase a Sirius subscription when it was enabled for our Model S Plaid, and I do not care that our Lucid doesn't have Sirius.

I cannot think of a company with more horrid customer service than Sirius XM. I like their product , but try getting in the phone and changing or canceling a subscription.

 

[Percentage]

I was told the car senses when people are in the seats and to do a proper reboot, both really should leave the car.

I am new to the forum. How do you do a reboot on the AGT? I had a Tesla Model S and I knew how to reboot it.