Can you get your 1000$ refunded if you ordered stealth and they keep saying Q1 and or who knows at this point just wondering is my 1000$ lost forever? I only signed it to get that tax credit and that appears to be falling through as well
You should be able to get the refund.Can you get your 1000$ refunded if you ordered stealth and they keep saying Q1 and or who knows at this point just wondering is my 1000$ lost forever? I only signed it to get that tax credit and that appears to be falling through as well
You ordered a car with Apple CarPlay. It doesn't have Apple CarPlay. You are entered to a full refund.If you turned it into an order after your reservation, Lucid has the right to keep your money. They were upfront about it which is what they are legally required to do. If you make the case that you were under the impression you could get a car prior to the end of the year, they might refund your "deposit" but that is wholly up to them. You don't have any leverage in the matter. Just my thought.
This has been discussed in many other threads. Lucid says their Air is compatible with CarPlay, not that it is there on day one. You'd not win a case around AirPlay, nor around not getting the EPA mileage, or not getting good charging experiences with ElectrifyAmerica.You ordered a car with Apple CarPlay. It doesn't have Apple CarPlay. You are entered to a full refund.
See the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
This has been discussed in many other threads. Lucid says their Air is compatible with CarPlay, not that it is there on day one. You'd not win a case around AirPlay, nor around not getting the EPA mileage, or not getting good charging experiences with ElectrifyAmerica.
We’ve been over this so many times, and your side of this argument has been registered and counter argued in at least a half dozen different threads at this point. I think we can agree to disagree and move on, no?If this is the argument it is a pretty bad one. I'm surprised anyone would accept this. Lucid says their Air is compatible with CarPlay. It is not. This is a pretty back and white case.
To be clear. "Lucid says their Air IS compatible with CarPlay." It doesn't say it might be one day.
No, no, I can't let it go. I'm too invested in this to just move on. I must post about "compatible" and whether that means it has carplay or is just capable of running carplay. And I don't care what whichever dictionary you cite says the definition is, it's whatever definition suits my viewpoint.We’ve been over this so many times, and your side of this argument has been registered and counter argued in at least a half dozen different threads at this point. I think we can agree to disagree and move on, no?
I actually agree with you they should get the refund, provided they didn’t finalize the order. Some folks have reported here that Lucid has been happy to do that without much of a fuss.I'm not trying to argue this point. I am trying to explain the law to blueice89. Both CarPlay and Android Auto were promised and neither were delivered. blueice89 now asks if he can get a refund on a product that he ordered and that was never delivered. I find the issue to be very clear and it saddens me that American consumers believe they cannot protect their contractual rights, but apparently some do.
This was a deceptive representation by Lucid; plain and simple. As the Ninth Circuit has stated many times, it is well established that a communication is deceptive where it can be reasonably read to have two or more different meanings, one of which is inaccurate. Gonzales v. Arrow Fin. Servs., LLC, 660 F.3d 1055, 1062 (9th Cir. 2011). Obviously the statement that the Lucid Air "is compatible with CarPlay" can be reasonably read mean the the Lucid Air is compatible with CarPlay when in fact it is not.
If blueice89 or anyone else believes Lucid can make such a misrepresentation and thereafter the purchaser is obligated to accept that misrepresented product, that is up to them, but under the law such an idea is simply untrue.
The idea that "there isn’t a court anywhere in the US that would find Lucid in violation of anything in the use of “compatible” on their web site" is untrue. Lucid has liability here. The word "compatible" is false, deceptive, or misleading. In fact, I suspect that Lucid gets sued for it all the time and they lose that case. Lucid is being deceptive. However, one thing about the agreement you signed is that you agreed to confidential, binding arbitration. The results of arbitration are confidential.I actually agree with you they should get the refund, provided they didn’t finalize the order. Some folks have reported here that Lucid has been happy to do that without much of a fuss.
All the legal mumbo jumbo is not necessary. Nor are threats or implications of deception, etc. There isn’t a court anywhere in the US that would find Lucid in violation of anything in the use of “compatible” on their web site. But none of that matters. You continue to make a giant issue out of something that is not an issue at all. Anyone who does five minutes of research can clearly find out CarPlay is shipping soon and make their decision about moving forward based on that.
At this point I’m more looking forward to Lucid shipping CarPlay so we can stop having these pointless debates than I am about actually having CarPlay.
I think it is unfortunate that this site is more of a cheerleading site that an informational one. It is practically a religion for many. A lot of people out here don't want to hear the truth, but would rather hear that they purchased a great car, etc.I am looking forward to the addition of CarPlay/AA to the Lucid for two reasons.
1. So I can enjoy it and use it.
2. So I don't have read threads like these anymore.
Are you always this angry? It’s not a cheerleading site, but it is frequented by people who tend to be pretty happy folks. We realize there are many problems in life that are far greater than the absence of CarPlay on our Lucids. Believe me, I wish it were there, too. I have it on my other vehicles and use it frequently. I have personally called out Lucid on this and at this point I am under the impression it will be added soon. I was hoping to see it by now, but I am too busy enjoying the holidays and my beautiful family to sit around and be pissed off over such a minor thing.I think it is unfortunate that this site is more of a cheerleading site that an informational one. It is practically a religion for many. A lot of people out here don't want to hear the truth, but would rather hear that they purchased a great car, etc.
If we actually worked to improve the Lucid, it might improve. Maybe you find it objectionable anytime someone has the nerve to say anything negative about the car you purchased, but I am interested in the truth, good or bad. I fail to see how telling Lucid that we all find it acceptable to be deceived by them does anything other than encourage this type of deceptive behavior.
1. I opted out of arbitration, which is trivial to do by sending an email, so no, the results don’t have to be confidential for everyone. In fact, there was a thread on here about the arbitration clause and how to opt out - I may have even started it, but I don’t remember tbh.The idea that "there isn’t a court anywhere in the US that would find Lucid in violation of anything in the use of “compatible” on their web site" is untrue. Lucid has liability here. The word "compatible" is false, deceptive, or misleading. In fact, I suspect that Lucid gets sued for it all the time and they lose that case. Lucid is being deceptive. However, one thing about the agreement you signed is that you agreed to confidential, binding arbitration. The results of arbitration are confidential.
That said, you say "Anyone who does five minutes of research can clearly find out CarPlay is shipping soon and make their decision about moving forward based on that." While I hope that is true, I am unconvinced that CarPlay is shipping soon. What you are referring to is nothing but rumors. Lucid can't get their software to work. If Lucid really plans of releasing CarPlay "soon," why doesn't it at least say so?
Truth is all I care about, actually. What I don’t care about is speculation.I think it is unfortunate that this site is more of a cheerleading site that an informational one. It is practically a religion for many. A lot of people out here don't want to hear the truth, but would rather hear that they purchased a great car, etc.
If we actually worked to improve the Lucid, it might improve. Maybe you find it objectionable anytime someone has the nerve to say anything negative about the car you purchased, but I am interested in the truth, good or bad. I fail to see how telling Lucid that we all find it acceptable to be deceived by them does anything other than encourage this type of deceptive behavior.
You are arguing the point. The point being the definition of compatible. The crux of your claim relies on a definition I can’t find which makes your claim that it can be interpreted In multiple ways by reasonable people invalid. Since the dictionary definition of compatible is that the hardware/software is capable of running CarPlay, you would have to prove it isn’t, not just that Lucid hasn’t delivered CarPlay. The back and forth on this basically pits those that accept the dictionary definition versus those that want to define compatible any way they choose.I'm not trying to argue this point. I
You can spin the word "compatible" all you like, but the issue is "it is well established that a communication is deceptive where it can be reasonably read to have two or more different meanings."You are arguing the point. The point being the definition of compatible. The crux of your claim relies on a definition I can’t find which makes your claim that it can be interpreted In multiple ways by reasonable people invalid. Since the dictionary definition of compatible is that the hardware/software is capable of running CarPlay, you would have to prove it isn’t, not just that Lucid hasn’t delivered CarPlay. The back and forth on this basically pits those that accept the dictionary definition versus those that want to define compatible any way they choose.