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For those of you who are upset and want Lucid to adopt NACS right now, here’s what you’re asking for:
Underlying that assumption is that most EV owners exclusively DC fast charge their cars. Maybe that’s true and I’m the fool?It's Tesla's world and everyone else is just living in it. It's like they own 60% of the gas stations in the country, and 85% of the reliable ones. If other cars have difficulty on their network, what do they care? It just makes you more likely to buy one of the 20 million cars a year they want to sell. If Lucid can only charge at 50 kw, why would you buy a lucid when you can get a model S for 60k less, charge 5x as fast, the Tesla charging network is expanding every second (vs. EA, which I have seen very few new chargers outside of really high EV areas, basically CA and the NE). Tesla is eating everyone's lunch.
To drive a better car every day. We road-trip charge maybe 5% of the time at the most....If Lucid can only charge at 50 kw, why would you buy a lucid ...
In addition to the CCS interoperability challenge between different car brands, there's also a problem of how quickly a company can fix the broken charger.-Tesla superchargers are generally more reliable than all CCS chargers.
I imagine it will be a lot and it is not free, especially to customers.-How much would it cost Lucid to modify the cars and WunderBox to support NACS? Would that cost get passed on to owners?
Tesla has voiced its position on bi-directional charging: It would void your Tesla warranty if you use your Tesla car as a stationary power source.-Can NACS plug do V2H and V2G and V2L which is what many Lucid owners were hoping for, given Lucid does mention V2H capabilities. The same applies for F150 Lightning, etc.
It requires a major financial budget and a long time to design and implement the system. Years if you have the money.If the Lucid could do minimum 150kw on Tesla chargers with no upgrade equipment cost to me, that would be great, sign me up.
Oh... It is doable for other brands:I’d camp outside Rawlinson house with protest signs if I thought that was doable.
That's missing the point.V4 Tesla charging might be a different story, but we have about as much trustworthy predictions on that as we do for Cybertruck, FSD and Roadster 2.0.
According to the current poll, you are not in the minority who want access to a slower 50kw NASC 400V Superchargers: 66.7% vs 33.3%.I may be in the minority here, but I think its due to the options that are available. More will always be better than less even when the Tesla supercharger option may not be great.
That all being said, the CyberTruck and upcoming roadster (when they arrive the perennial 'next year') will likely require high voltage architectures my understanding was the V4 superchargers would be capable of this.
However, I'm sure there will be multiple options for adapters so even if Lucid doesn't create their own, we can always use those. Same with the tesla wall charger adapter I use now.
I think that’s a bit of a false choice. If you needed a tow because you arrived at a broken EA station with 1% SOC, that’s kind of your fault. I’d be happy to have a good L2 Tesla adapter that doesn’t risk the warranty of the Lucid. More options is better, as long as it doesn’t lead to chaos or heavy extra cost. Maybe it’s not too expensive to put NACS into the Lucid and make the WunderBox do 150kw on 400v chargers, but I’m not sure if what we’re asking for is realistic, only Lucid would know that.According to the current poll, you are not in the minority who want access to a slower 50kw NASC 400V Superchargers: 66.7% vs 33.3%.
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The future implementation of the minimum requirement of NEVI funding 920V will be here but in the meantime, accessing to an additional pool of slower chargers is still better than being towed to the next fast 800V chargers.
Even an access to the much slower Tesla Destination AC chargers is very much welcome. Yes, we can buy an Tesla AC charger adapter now but it'll be nicer to get one from our own companies rather than an unproven ebay vendor.
It's easy to blame the victim: The victim didn't plan. The victim didn't learn the lesson that they should not trust the reliability of a charging station....If you needed a tow because you arrived at a broken EA station with 1% SOC, that’s kind of your fault...
Current concerns are from Tesla owners who don't want an extensive long line. As long as Tesla size up according to the demand and owners can now see which stations are not busy, I don't think that will be a problem.More options is better, as long as it doesn’t lead to chaos or heavy extra cost.
I am not an engineer, but it is unrealistic that Lucid has the resources to retrofit existing cars to work at a decent speed of 150 kW at 400V. There are good reasons, both design, and money, that Lucid decided that 50 kW at 400V is the best choice.Maybe it’s not too expensive to put NACS into the Lucid and make the WunderBox do 150kw on 400v chargers, but I’m not sure if what we’re asking for is realistic, only Lucid would know that.
Logically, they do because they are obligated to ensure the deal performs. They have to ramp up the adapters for those with the deal. They have to ensure the cables will reach deal-people. They have to make sure the interoperability will work with different deals...I wonder if Tesla is going to drag their feet on Magic Dock with the future adoption of their plug?
There's no way your car will be obsolete when CCS is dead. The NEVI funding ensures a minimum of 4 CCS per station location.I bought a car that looked to the future,
The average American drives 39 miles daily, so a shorter range of a Nissan Leaf of 73 EPA miles in 2010 would satisfy that requirement....admittedly my driving habits may not be as demanding as many others on the forum
As you can see from the poll, 33.3% is a substantial number. Only Ford, GM, Rivian, Volvo, and Polestar have stopped pushing for CSS, but the rest of the car manufacturers have not stopped using CCS. That's quite a substantial number of car companies still using CCS....I would have expected more of a push for pressure to demand more of the CCS networks...
...With the push towards more diverse EVs, relying on and believing in a single charging network from the past which may not be ready for that future and believing that it can be delivered at scale when more of that network’s cars are being sold for pennies on the dollar and flooding the market (and charging stalls) seems dicey.
It’s not that we will be settling, it’s that I don’t trust that even that pittance may be delivered. “Eggs” and “baskets” come to mind here.
Exactly!I am hoping that for most of us this is an emotional issue rather than a practical one.
Exactly!...Those who do a lot of interstate travel will obviously have a much different opinion and concern.
The article below agrees. It thinks the free deals are paid by data extracted from the stations, and that would be so profitable that there's no need to sell cars anymore!I was just reading Bloomberg and Peter Rawlinson has voiced the same concerns :
"“Whoever controls this — if it isn’t an open, impartial standard, if it’s owned by one company — has access to a lot of consumer data,” Rawlinson said. “It’s who owns that data, and making it genuinely open-sourced, that would worry me.”
Yes they have indeed!!Mercedes-Benz Expands Charging Options for Customers: Access to Tesla Supercharger Network in North America While Building Its Own High-Power Charging Network
Mercedes-Benz EVs can use Tesla Superchargers in North America from 2024, and Mercedes-Benz's own charging network to implement NACS standard.www.businesswire.com
And now Mercedes...though they will continue to build out their own network, at least for now...