NACS Megathread

[Tâm]

As an electrical engineer I stand by what I said as factually accurate. The wunderbox WAS made to boost low voltage charger or else that functionality would not exist. There is no other reason to have a step up transformer from 400v to 900v. When it was designed there were in Fact many 400v chargers in the wild. Porsche and Hyundai both had 400v boosters and even Hyundai had 100kw boosters now, Lucid has left theirs alone. I'm not here to bash Lucid, I'm just stating electrical facts. They could have easily upgraded the wunderbox...even for a added cost like Porsche does. They chose not to, so if Charging at Tesla is important for you, I do not recommend Lucid to people...Good news though is, there isnt that many people who view that as super important. But there are some.

I do not doubt that Lucid engineers can change this slow 400V compatibility issue if someone can authorize them.

It's the same way it can relocate all future Air and Pure charge ports to the back left.

Technically, those can be done. However, I doubt it will be done timely in a few years. Changing designs is expensive and takes time. Bringing a working design to production takes time.

It's not a technical issue. It's a resource issue.

 

[sdlucid]

Hyundai just announced more details of 2025 Ioniq5 (USA made with native NACS port). It comes with 135kw converter for 400V, making it a bit more faster at Tesla V3 stations.

 

[borski]

Hyundai just announced more details of 2025 Ioniq5 (USA made with native NACS port). It comes with 135kw converter for 400V, making it a bit more faster at Tesla V3 stations.

“Owners can plug in natively at a Tesla Supercharger station just a Tesla Model Y or Cybertruck owner would. When they do, the peak charging rate they will see on most Superchargers (the V3 ones, specifically, so all of them) they will see maximum speeds of 135 kW.

Using the CCS adapter, Ioniq 5 owners will see speeds of up to 257 kW when they use a 350 kW DC fast charger. That should take the car from 10% to 80% in 20 minutes, regardless of their battery size. And it's right in line with the performance of the previous Ioniq 5 on a CCS fast-charger.”

This is of course good news (135kW > 95kW), but it's still funny to me you get better speeds if you use a CCS -> NACS adapter at a 350kW EA charger.

And it looks like the charging at high-voltage chargers (like EA's 350s) is improved over previous model years too, given that it will hit 257kW now.

This is all still just auto manufacturers trying to deal with the fact that Tesla’s charging stations are old and outdated. None of this will matter in a decade because either a) Tesla will get off their ass and actually build 1kV cabinets, or, b) Tesla superchargers will never be 1kV and we all switched to NACS for no reason but at least the plug is smaller I guess.

Don’t really care which one it is. But I don’t plan on charging at superchargers unless I either a) have no other option, or b) they have 1000kV cabinets and I don’t feel like I’m wasting my and everyone else’s time. I don’t want to be the Bolt at the chargers, just because Tesla’s stuff is old.

There are plenty of CCS chargers wherever I go. They are fast af.

If I’m driving through the middle of the country? Sure, the three times I do that I might use a supercharger.

Obviously, YMMV.

 

[DeaneG]

Tesla's Supercharger map now has a "Superchargers open to NACS" filter, separate from the "Superchargers open to other EVs" filter. I take the former to mean Superchargers which have the hardware and software necessary to communicate with a Lucid, once this has been enabled in Tesla's back end. And the latter I believe just means a MagicDock station.

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=53.497227263605495%2C-71.611060803922%2C23.053499371906366%2C-143.94504517892202&zoom=5&filters=nacs

 

[RD7]

Tesla's Supercharger map now has a "Superchargers open to NACS" filter, separate from the "Superchargers open to other EVs" filter. I take the former to mean Superchargers which have the hardware and software necessary to communicate with a Lucid, once this has been enabled in Tesla's back end. And the latter I believe just means a MagicDock station.

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=53.497227263605495%2C-71.611060803922%2C23.053499371906366%2C-143.94504517892202&zoom=5&filters=nacs

Basically, yes. Per Tesla:
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There are 3 types of Tesla Superchargers:

1. Tesla-only Superchargers, which only work for Tesla vehicles.
2. All EVs Superchargers, which are available for all EVs to charge with a “Magic Dock” adapter that is provided at the charging post.
3. NACS Superchargers, which will become available gradually, by vehicle manufacturer, and can be accessed through an adapter. The adapter has to be provided by your vehicle manufacturer. For new vehicles that are NACS-equipped, no adapter will be necessary.

It's interesting that they are still saying you must have a mfg-supplied adapter, meaning Lectron is still officially forbidden.