Miles/Kwh

[Blue Lectroid]

Absolutely. The right tool for the right job. Now if you said you drove the Ferrari for range and the Prius to let it rip...I would suggest a three day mental health stay at a hospital facility.

HA!! My Prius did have a sticker on the rear bumper saying "My Other Car is a Ferrari." I always wondered how many folks took that seriously or thought I was just kidding!!!

 

[LuvLucy]

I owned a Prius for 3 weeks. Sold it back to the dealer still with their gas in the tank, got a corvette instead.

The Prius is the perfect car for people who hate cars.

Here's a post I wrote on it back in the day:

Confessions of a Prius owner - CorvetteForum - Chevrolet Corvette Forum Discussion

C6 Corvette General Discussion - Confessions of a Prius owner - My name is Dave and I was a Toyota Prius owner for owner for one month. It's been 2 days since I last drove a Prius. In the third week of July, I took delivery of a brand new 2010 Toyota Prius after doing weeks of research and test...

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Priusii need to stay out of the left lane - permanently

 

[Steveinarizona]

I owned a Prius for 3 weeks. Sold it back to the dealer still with their gas in the tank, got a corvette instead.

The Prius is the perfect car for people who hate cars.

Here's a post I wrote on it back in the day:

Confessions of a Prius owner - CorvetteForum - Chevrolet Corvette Forum Discussion

C6 Corvette General Discussion - Confessions of a Prius owner - My name is Dave and I was a Toyota Prius owner for owner for one month. It's been 2 days since I last drove a Prius. In the third week of July, I took delivery of a brand new 2010 Toyota Prius after doing weeks of research and test...

www.corvetteforum.com

Priusii need to stay out of the left lane - permanently

Not often but I do sometimes see a Prius driving quickly and keeping pace in the fast lane (which typically means at least 75). But it is rare. on the other hand, I have seen folks driving corvettes, Tesla Plaids, BMW 550s, etc. driving slowly in the left lane. Actually, I am more concerned about folks driving Buicks slowly in the left lane.

My bottom line, drive like the driver's manual told you: move to the right until you are keeping pace with traffic or all the way to the right. Get out of a lane left of the right lane if you are not keeping up. So simple...even a fool could do it. So I guess must drivers today are not even at the "fool" level.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Not often but I do sometimes see a Prius driving quickly and keeping pace in the fast lane (which typically means at least 75). But it is rare. on the other hand, I have seen folks driving corvettes, Tesla Plaids, BMW 550s, etc. driving slowly in the left lane. Actually, I am more concerned about folks driving Buicks slowly in the left lane.

My bottom line, drive like the driver's manual told you: move to the right until you are keeping pace with traffic or all the way to the right. Get out of a lane left of the right lane if you are not keeping up. So simple...even a fool could do it. So I guess must drivers today are not even at the "fool" level.

I have always loved cars, but I also love our planet and reducing my carbon footprint was important to me so I suffered through the Prius for what used to be a 50 mile each way commute...I am glad that modern EV tech allows me to have the best of both worlds...

 

[LuvLucy]

Actually, I am more concerned about folks driving Buicks slowly in the left lane.

Usually in my experience the Buicks have their left blinker stuck on too. I am not bashful with these folk - I flash my lights at them - if you are not passing - get out of the left lane, plain and simple. If you don't like me flashing you - get out of the left lane - problem solved.

 

[Pragmatic]

Rather than drive a Prius I moved near a train station so my commute was a walk to/from the train. It's been 25 years since I've driven to get to a job.

 

[illopp00]

These are the stats I need....Miles/KwH driving with the wife vs. without the wife

Mine is inverse, kids and wife crank up the HVAC and heated seats just like the home I use all the kwh for acceleration and NOT AC

 

[Westchester Air]

Mine is inverse, kids and wife crank up the HVAC and heated seats just like the home I use all the kwh for acceleration and NOT AC

I feel your pain brother

 

[doubletwist]

HA!! My Prius did have a sticker on the rear bumper saying "My Other Car is a Ferrari." I always wondered how many folks took that seriously or thought I was just kidding!!!

Many, many moons ago I saw a VW Bug that had a license plate frame that said, "When I grow up, I want to be a Lamborghini"

 

[Steveinarizona]

I have always loved cars, but I also love our planet and reducing my carbon footprint was important to me so I suffered through the Prius for what used to be a 50 mile each way commute...I am glad that modern EV tech allows me to have the best of both worlds...

Me too. I went from a 2007 Prius to a 2011 Prius to two BMW PHEVs and now to a full EV GV60P. My hot water heater is a heat pump and I pay my power company to use green power for my house. But I am lately thinking it is a hopeless battle.

 

[CWedge411]

So, I'm a couple of weeks into my ownership (AT) and am trying to get a decent understanding of what my expectations should be with regard to M/Kwh. For background, I'm just north of NYC, so the last couple of weeks have been high 30s or low 40s in the AM and highs, generally in the 50s. Also, the car is parked outside, not garaged. Morning drives seem to be just north of 3 miles/Kwh, afternoons somewhat better. Honestly, not as good as I thought it would be. Just wondering...Is this typical and expected? And...does it get better as the tires and motor "break in"?

I believe the EPA estimates are closer to 4.5, which I'm guessing is more ideal conditions.

So...in general, would love to hear about peoples experience in weather that's similar to mine and looking ahead, how that changes in the summer and dead of winter. Thanks everyone!

Boston here, Over the past 6 months and 6,000 miles I've averaged 3.1m/kwh. Winter I was getting 2 m/kwh and summer close to 4..which makes sense of the avg being 3.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Me too. I went from a 2007 Prius to a 2011 Prius to two BMW PHEVs and now to a full EV GV60P. My hot water heater is a heat pump and I pay my power company to use green power for my house. But I am lately thinking it is a hopeless battle.

It becomes hopeless only when everyone loses hope, right? Our home generates 5 Megawatts per year more than we use and we both drive electric cars, heating and cooling is all done with ground source heat pumps (powered by solar). Planetary net zero IS possible, but only when we think like global citizens rather than in our own narrow self-interest. THAT may not currently be possible…

 

[ColonelBadger]

Boston here, Over the past 6 months and 6,000 miles I've averaged 3.1m/kwh. Winter I was getting 2 m/kwh and summer close to 4..which makes sense of the avg being 3.

I'm pretty similar.

 

[Pragmatic]

Assume you mean 5 MW-hrs which is 4 times my annual usage (before I got the Air.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

Assume you mean 5 MW-hrs which is 4 times my annual usage (before I got the Air.

Yes, actually in 2024 in was 4.4 MWh more than we used. Produced 34.4 MWh and used 29.0 MWh. Keep in mind we are an all electric household with well water AND a working farm with irrigation pumps, electric farm equipment, etc. The only non-electric energy used is roughly 50-60 gallons of diesel per year for our tractor and combine.

 

[PaulC]

Boston here, Over the past 6 months and 6,000 miles I've averaged 3.1m/kwh. Winter I was getting 2 m/kwh and summer close to 4..which makes sense of the avg being 3.

Overall efficiency 3.75, currently 3.3 with temp 60-70s. Recalled when driven 1st year much more aggressive high regen braking which would literally add miles to range and efficiency close to 4. High regen seems much less aggressive over past year. OTA modification of high regen to preserve battery life?

 

[Buffalo Bob]

High regen seems much less aggressive over past year. OTA modification of high regen to preserve battery life?

I think they dialed it back to keep me from getting rear-ended. When cancelling cruise control by hitting the brake, I was too darn slow getting my foot back on the accelerator! Either that, or my right foot somehow got a little faster. Nah!

 

[Westchester Air]

So, a couple of weeks later and thought I circle back on this with a crazy Miles/kWh result.

I left my house this morning (north of NYC) and it was 38 degrees out. My 28 mile commute, with heat set to 66 (seats and steering wheel on) gave me just shy of 3.0 miles/KwH. In the afternoon, the sun came out and the temps went into the mid 50s. The return trip (Trip A), with a considerable amount of traffic (plenty of regen, I guess) yielded a 6.21 mi/kWh!! No hypermiling...either way.

HOWEVER...the math on TRIP A doesn't work. Looks like either the mi/kWh are wrong or the kWh are wrong. I would think that the number of kWh x the mi/kWH should yield the miles and it doesn't. The total kWh (since last charge) seems right. I used 9kWh to get there. That's about a 3mi/kWh. (28 miles/9 ~ 3). However..something's weird with the return trip...no?

I guess I'll charge back to 80% tonight and see if I take more than 12 kWh!

 

[borski]

So, a couple of weeks later and thought I circle back on this with a crazy Miles/kWh result.

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I left my house this morning (north of NYC) and it was 38 degrees out. My 28 mile commute, with heat set to 66 (seats and steering wheel on) gave me just shy of 3.0 miles/KwH. In the afternoon, the sun came out and the temps went into the mid 50s. The return trip (Trip A), with a considerable amount of traffic (plenty of regen, I guess) yielded a 6.21 mi/kWh!! No hypermiling...either way.

HOWEVER...the math on TRIP A doesn't work. Looks like either the mi/kWh are wrong or the kWh are wrong. I would think that the number of kWh x the mi/kWH should yield the miles and it doesn't. The total kWh (since last charge) seems right. I used 9kWh to get there. That's about a 3mi/kWh. (28 miles/9 ~ 3). However..something's weird with the return trip...no?

I guess I'll charge back to 80% tonight and see if I take more than 12 kWh!

“Trip A” is the efficiency for the actual miles driven. “Since Last Charge” includes all energy consumed while parked, HVAC, etc., as well as actual miles driven.

“Since Last Charge”, thus, will always be less efficient, simply due to phantom drain, if nothing else.

Confusing? Absolutely, lol. It makes a little more sense if you think of “Trip A” as the trip efficiency, and of “Since Last Charge” as the car’s overall efficiency, but it should definitely be clearer.

Also, unlike almost everything else, this actually isn’t in the manual, and really should be. @marqie would you be able to follow up with the documentation team or whatever they’re called?

 

[Westchester Air]

“Trip A” is the efficiency for the actual miles driven. “Since Last Charge” includes all energy consumed while parked, HVAC, etc., as well as actual miles driven.

“Since Last Charge”, thus, will always be less efficient, simply due to phantom drain, if nothing else.

Confusing? Absolutely, lol. It makes a little more sense if you think of “Trip A” as the trip efficiency, and of “Since Last Charge” as the car’s overall efficiency, but it should definitely be clearer.

Also, unlike almost everything else, this actually isn’t in the manual, and really should be. @marqie would you be able to follow up with the documentation team or whatever they’re called?

I totally get that, but 3kWh at 6 mi/kWh can't be 28 miles....amiright?