Issues with my car

I can agree with the OP, I really expected them to have a leg up on Tesla's OS considering the leadership and grandiose presentations that were given. but I posted a similar thread last week about how my car freaked out in the middle of the road and just stopped and said drivetrain inoperable contact Customer Service. While they did pick up and get the car to the nearest SC, they called and "set expectations" that they noticed the vent flaps on the lower front were frozen shut, and that could have been the issue. He was setting this up bc he was implying there could be a cost to me on this, so I can't wait to hear how I keep my car in the garage, drove it to the gym that morning in ~7 call it 10 inches if our first snow of the year, was there for 1.5 hours and tried to drive home and didn't make it; I'm curious to hear what I did wrong to cause this and have financial repercussions. Eagerly awaiting my follow up call, but I'm already talking to a dealer about scooping up a Cayenne Coupe S and just getting out of this nightmare. I'll keep you posted on that call!

BTW, THIS^ doe NOT fall into the category of a minor annoyance / something not to get concerned over...a hige difference between the car no longer operating safely and annoyances like key FOB's and software glitches...
 
... I posted a similar thread last week about how my car freaked out in the middle of the road and just stopped and said drivetrain inoperable contact Customer Service...
Sounds like that rear wiring harness issue on some Pures.
 
Our 2 installed family profiles don't recognize who is driving, despite both fobs and mobile keys being programmed by the Lucid tech. When I sit down with my fob, it often thinks my wife is in the drivers seat. Then I have to manually select my profile, which takes up to 30 secs or more to change. In the interim, I wait with the seat and mirrors wrong until it resets. My wife suffers the same fate. If only one of us drove it, I'd imagine it would be ok but who knows.
My 2016 AP2 Model X, two years after purchase no longer correctly identified the profile, most frequently simply choosing the last driver's profile. Tesla simply decided not to fix this glaring software bug and nearly eight years into ownership and ~eight requests to fix this, they have ignored the warranty and the extended warranty. They compare the Tesla software to phone software, when I complain about it. The screen freezes, but because I don't pay $2000 to get an upgrade, they won't fix it.

I have had occasional profile issues with the Lucid and the OP makes a good point that this is an issue. However, the AP1 Tesla with MobilEye has a cleaner, less complex architecture.
In ten years with 65000 miles, our Tesla has lost only 5% of its range at 100% SOC.
I lost 15% range in <8 years, 5% in Year One. So, with admittedly lighter use of the Lucid, I am delighted to have lost only 2-3% in 18 months.
 
Let's start with a reality check: The Lucid Air has never graced the screen of any James Bond film. The closest it's come to being in a movie was a blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo in the new Beverly Hills Cop flick. The rest of its cameos are all TV shows. If you can't even get that basic fact straight...supposedly the pivotal reason for your purchase...why should I believe anything else in your post?

The most infuriating aspect of this forum isn't the occasional glitch or software hiccup. It's people like you who have a bad experience and immediately jump to wild conspiracy theories and preemptively defensive nonsense. Newsflash: The moderators aren't some mysterious cabal, huddled in a secret lair, plotting to censor your groundbreaking revelations.

Everything's broken, nothing works, and apparently, the engineers who designed this technological marvel are incompetent buffoons. You remind me of those insufferable Yelp reviewers who stub their toe on the way in and suddenly the food's inedible, the service is atrocious, and oh, look, there's a speck of dust on the table. Yep, everything is somehow bad. Give me a break.

We're all for constructive criticism and honest discussion. But storming in here, guns blazing, and dismissing anyone who dares to have a positive experience as a "fanboy flamer" is absurd. You're not some brave truth-teller standing up to the masses. So please, spare us the martyrdom. If you want a genuine discussion about issues with the car, try approaching it without the melodrama and baseless accusations. Why on earth would I be inclined to have any kind of rational discussion with you when you've effectively already decided that I have nothing of value to say?

Did my post come of as offensive to you? Good, because all I am doing is matching your energy.
 
Let's start with a reality check: The Lucid Air has never graced the screen of any James Bond film. The closest it's come to being in a movie was a blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo in the new Beverly Hills Cop flick. The rest of its cameos are all TV shows. If you can't even get that basic fact straight...supposedly the pivotal reason for your purchase...why should I believe anything else in your post?

The most infuriating aspect of this forum isn't the occasional glitch or software hiccup. It's people like you who have a bad experience and immediately jump to wild conspiracy theories and preemptively defensive nonsense. Newsflash: The moderators aren't some mysterious cabal, huddled in a secret lair, plotting to censor your groundbreaking revelations.

Everything's broken, nothing works, and apparently, the engineers who designed this technological marvel are incompetent buffoons. You remind me of those insufferable Yelp reviewers who stub their toe on the way in and suddenly the food's inedible, the service is atrocious, and oh, look, there's a speck of dust on the table. Yep, everything is somehow bad. Give me a break.

We're all for constructive criticism and honest discussion. But storming in here, guns blazing, and dismissing anyone who dares to have a positive experience as a "fanboy flamer" is absurd. You're not some brave truth-teller standing up to the masses. So please, spare us the martyrdom. If you want a genuine discussion about issues with the car, try approaching it without the melodrama and baseless accusations. Why on earth would I be inclined to have any kind of rational discussion with you when you've effectively already decided that I have nothing of value to say?

Did my post come of as offensive to you? Good, because all I am doing is matching your energy.
So... How do you really feel? 😂
 
When we ordered our beautiful 2023 Air Touring last spring after seeing one on a James Bond film, we couldn't wait for the delivery. Anticipating a "better than Tesla" experience, in a much more beautiful car inside and out. Our now 10 year old 2014 Tesla Model S P85D, nearly flawless in every way was the measuring stick for the new Lucid, and we fully expected the stick would not be long enough for what we would find.

After the Lucid delivery, we immediately had issues with profiles, keys (both mobile and fob) and numerous user interface problems. So, I did as I always do...hit the forums to find out the pulse of these things. What I found was a general reluctance among several posters to tell it like it is. Often an unwary new post which was critical of the car was flamed incessantly. I suspect that the flamers were concerned that the fledgling Lucid company was too fragile to survive an onslought of criticism, constructive or otherwise. I have to admit, I shared their concern, just having spent $110K on an untested vehicle. I desperately wanted this car to perform as spectacularly as it looked. Alas, after many home visits by the friendly Lucid tech, I feel compelled to tell it like it is, not to enrage the fanboy flamers, but to protect perspective new Air buyers from what I now consider my mistake.

This car is the most frustrating car we've ever owned. Not because it doesn't function, or because it's a shop queen. Its not. It's frustrating to see such a beautifully engineered drivetrain, unequalled looks, spectacular driving dynamics, and the quietest ride I've ever driven, burdened with the most disappointing electronics package ever devised. It's as if Lucid spent every last drop of R&D money on the stuff that works and makes us proud, but forgot to budget even enough money for a rudimentary user interface that works. The screens are beautiful, but its all form over function.

Our 2 installed family profiles don't recognize who is driving, despite both fobs and mobile keys being programmed by the Lucid tech. When I sit down with my fob, it often thinks my wife is in the drivers seat. Then I have to manually select my profile, which takes up to 30 secs or more to change. In the interim, I wait with the seat and mirrors wrong until it resets. My wife suffers the same fate. If only one of us drove it, I'd imagine it would be ok but who knows. The Apple CarPlay integration is terrible. When I want to listen to music or a podcast on my iPhone using CarPlay, the entertainment system often doesn't recognize it. So, I then revert to a simple bluetooth connection. Nope, that doesn't work either. Really Lucid? Any $20K Kia works just fine with bluetooth music! My now 10 year old Model S has never once failed to recognize which driver is sitting in the seat and always connects perfectly to bluetooth. Nor has my 2018 Ford F150 ever failed to recognize who is driving, and CarPlay always works in the truck as designed.

The self driving? Our 2014 MS first generation Tesla autopilot still does more and is more accurate than this brand new Lucid autopilot which was promised as FSD. Who on this forum actually thinks that Lucid FSD will be a reality in the next 2 years? I did when I bought the car, but I was duped. Even Ford's autopilot seems more sophisticated than the Lucid. The door handles on the Tesla present themselves before we even arrive at the door, while I stand and wait for several seconds outside our brand new Lucid for it to unlock.

Lucid engineers! Why didn't you just go buy a Tesla and make sure your electronics design would be at least as good as theirs? I'm not asking for better...just equal. Does the Lucid open garage doors with Homelink when the vehicle nears the garage door? Why not? Do the mirrors fold in automatically when in the garage? Why not? When in the garage, does the Lucid leave its doors unlocked like the setting on the Tesla? Why not? Can I select the Lucid's charging amperage at home like Tesla? Why not? And, what have you been doing for the last ten years since we bought the Tesla. All these things worked on our S the day it was delivered in 2014.

When my P85D was delivered in 2014, a 100% SOC was 249 miles. 10 years later, 100% still yields 238 after 65000 miles. Our Lucid? The promised 420 is fantasy. Even at 100% SOC, it only shows 374 miles range, and we never even get close to that in practice. We live in Florida with flat smooth roads and warm temps, so please don't try to use that or driving technique as an excuse. In ten years with 65000 miles, our Tesla has lost only 5% of its range at 100% SOC. The Lucid after only 18 months and 14000 miles, has never delivered close to its promised range...no matter how or where we drive. I don't think the range has degraded with time, I think 420 was a fantasy number when it was brand new. Lucid can find no technical reason for the lack of range, and has offered no solution. The Lucid tech privately told me that he wished they wouldn't have promoted such a high number, and it is the most prevalent complaint he deals with.

Is the old Tesla perfect? No, but nearly so. We could have purchased another Model S in 2023. But we didn't. We wanted instead for the Lucid to be the more beautiful Tesla with an even better electronics package, advantaged by 10 full years of electronics improvements. And instead, we got an over promised, under delivered, spectacularly looking car, where its designers forgot to use and test the electronic interfaces and where the only consistent facet of the car is its electronics inconsistency.

For perspective new Lucid owners, I don't think we bought a lemon because the tech can't find anything wrong. I think we bought a car in which the electronics were woefully under engineered. If you don't care that the things described above won't work well, then buy this car. It's great fun to drive, and better than Tesla is many ways and looks amazing. But like me, if you expect things to work as described in the owner's manual and as promised in the sales process, caveat emptor.
I made the move from Tesla to Lucid in September, for the reasons you stated. Beautiful car, very solid, incredible drive, speed, longer battery life. I do miss the true 'Smart Car' that Tesla is. I love my Lucid and hope nothing changes that. I have experienced software glitches and am hopeful that they'll continue to learn and improve. For example, I keep my car in 'hold' mode for when I'm stopped. A few weeks ago, after an update, I'd gone to dinner and sitting in rush hour interstate traffic. I then heard the car behind me blowing its horn at me. The 'hold' mode had turned off and I was rolling backwards and almost hit the car behind me. I had to reboot to fix, which lasted a couple of days, then happened again. It seems to be resolved with a subsequent update. The bluetooth compatibility with my phone is a bit frustrating. I have to take my phone out of my pocket, open it up and tap the door handle a few times. However, if I'm walking my dog on the passengers side, the car will unlock. If I walk up to the passenger side, it doesn't. So, some inconsistencies that I assume will be addressed. I would like auto mirror closing when I get home, opening garage, etc.. but in due time. I miss the Tesla driving interface, but am adapting as well. In all, I love both cars, but what I appreciate in the Lucid is that it is such a solid, luxury car with a driving experience on par with BMW and other luxury vehicles. As far as battery, my Tesla battery had degraded noticeably in 4 years and my Lucid battery does have incredible capacity. It charges quicker and I don't see the mileage impact that you've described. Tesla had a rough start in the beginning so I'm giving Lucid some grace. I'm excited to see where they go with it. If I could have my wish, I'd have the Lucid automobile with the Tesla brain.
 
I'm a new Lucid owner (end of October), might as well jump into the deep end of the pool…

TL;DR Lucid is beta, with all that implies — best-of-breed leading-edge/bleeding-edge (read: "buggy") technology. If you're good with that trade-off, buy Lucid! If you're not, buy a vehicle with a more mature platform.

In addition to being a new Lucid owner, I am also a "software guy per se" (serial startup CTO, fractional software CTO) and a very early Tesla adopter (my previous car was a Model S I bought in April 2013 — not a typo).

It is really hard to launch a new software platform (Lucid's) that is as robust as a platform that has a 10-year head start (Tesla's). That being said, try Googling "recent tesla software bugs" and restrict results to the past month. With far more experience and far greater resources, Tesla still releases bugs. Looking at these Lucid owner forums and based on my own ownership experience, I'd say Lucid's software is still beta but approaching "stable". It's hard to judge Lucid's pace of improvement from outside the company, but I believe they are well up the software maturity curve as a startup.

Still, as @Blue Lectroid said above, there's a big difference between annoying glitches and not being able to operate the car safely. As it so happens, my new 2025 Lucid Air Pure RWD bricked yesterday (!) in the middle of a drive (I was able to pull into a parking lot before it became completely disabled). My local service center says my car had already gotten the new harness referenced in the recent recall and are still investigating. I'll tell you what I did — I waited 24 hours for my blood to return to liquid form before posting to this forum. :-D

A beta experience is going to p*ss off some owners who "just want their car to work". Lucid's still beta. Even with my most recent experience, though, I'd call Lucid "late beta" and recommend it to anybody with that caveat.
 
I'm a new Lucid owner (end of October), might as well jump into the deep end of the pool…

TL;DR Lucid is beta, with all that implies — best-of-breed leading-edge/bleeding-edge (read: "buggy") technology. If you're good with that trade-off, buy Lucid! If you're not, buy a vehicle with a more mature platform.

In addition to being a new Lucid owner, I am also a "software guy per se" (serial startup CTO, fractional software CTO) and a very early Tesla adopter (my previous car was a Model S I bought in April 2013 — not a typo).

It is really hard to launch a new software platform (Lucid's) that is as robust as a platform that has a 10-year head start (Tesla's). That being said, try Googling "recent tesla software bugs" and restrict results to the past month. With far more experience and far greater resources, Tesla still releases bugs. Looking at these Lucid owner forums and based on my own ownership experience, I'd say Lucid's software is still beta but approaching "stable". It's hard to judge Lucid's pace of improvement from outside the company, but I believe they are well up the software maturity curve as a startup.

Still, as @Blue Lectroid said above, there's a big difference between annoying glitches and not being able to operate the car safely. As it so happens, my new 2025 Lucid Air Pure RWD bricked yesterday (!) in the middle of a drive (I was able to pull into a parking lot before it became completely disabled). My local service center says my car had already gotten the new harness referenced in the recent recall and are still investigating. I'll tell you what I did — I waited 24 hours for my blood to return to liquid form before posting to this forum. :-D

A beta experience is going to p*ss off some owners who "just want their car to work". Lucid's still beta. Even with my most recent experience, though, I'd call Lucid "late beta" and recommend it to anybody with that caveat.
Really sorry this happened to you and I’ve gotta applaud your post…and the 24 hour cool off! I hope they solve this quickly and that it never happens again to you. Here’s to hopefully moving well past beta soon!
 
I can agree with the OP, I really expected them to have a leg up on Tesla's OS considering the leadership and grandiose presentations that were given. but I posted a similar thread last week about how my car freaked out in the middle of the road and just stopped and said drivetrain inoperable contact Customer Service. While they did pick up and get the car to the nearest SC, they called and "set expectations" that they noticed the vent flaps on the lower front were frozen shut, and that could have been the issue. He was setting this up bc he was implying there could be a cost to me on this, so I can't wait to hear how I keep my car in the garage, drove it to the gym that morning in ~7 call it 10 inches if our first snow of the year, was there for 1.5 hours and tried to drive home and didn't make it; I'm curious to hear what I did wrong to cause this and have financial repercussions. Eagerly awaiting my follow up call, but I'm already talking to a dealer about scooping up a Cayenne Coupe S and just getting out of this nightmare. I'll keep you posted on that call!
Crap. I completely forgot about those vent flaps freezing closed. Last year I kept hearing a loud clicking/clunking coming from the front of the car when mine froze shut. But my car never bricked as a result. Please keep us (at least me) posted on the cause. If it was the flaps, I imagine lucid is going to need to implement some kind of solution long term or only sell cars in warm climates.

And I really, really hope some day I'm smart enough for someone to accuse me of being AI!
 
Let's start with a reality check: The Lucid Air has never graced the screen of any James Bond film. The closest it's come to being in a movie was a blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo in the new Beverly Hills Cop flick. The rest of its cameos are all TV shows. If you can't even get that basic fact straight...supposedly the pivotal reason for your purchase...why should I believe anything else in your post?

The most infuriating aspect of this forum isn't the occasional glitch or software hiccup. It's people like you who have a bad experience and immediately jump to wild conspiracy theories and preemptively defensive nonsense. Newsflash: The moderators aren't some mysterious cabal, huddled in a secret lair, plotting to censor your groundbreaking revelations.

Everything's broken, nothing works, and apparently, the engineers who designed this technological marvel are incompetent buffoons. You remind me of those insufferable Yelp reviewers who stub their toe on the way in and suddenly the food's inedible, the service is atrocious, and oh, look, there's a speck of dust on the table. Yep, everything is somehow bad. Give me a break.

We're all for constructive criticism and honest discussion. But storming in here, guns blazing, and dismissing anyone who dares to have a positive experience as a "fanboy flamer" is absurd. You're not some brave truth-teller standing up to the masses. So please, spare us the martyrdom. If you want a genuine discussion about issues with the car, try approaching it without the melodrama and baseless accusations. Why on earth would I be inclined to have any kind of rational discussion with you when you've effectively already decided that I have nothing of value to say?

Did my post come of as offensive to you? Good, because all I am doing is matching your energy.
And the official “the only correct opinion is my opinion” post has been made. Can’t say I recall seeing the OP ask to have a rational discussion with you anywhere….I think your post came off as offensive to anyone reading here.
 
I’m sure most of these will be fixed going forwards…I see these as minor issues, you need to see the forrest, not the trees. Lucid engineered one of the best driving sedans, and this includes ICE cars such as the M and AMG cars. No other EV company comes close to efficiency, ride, handling, space, looks- the combination is just unbeatable.

Yes, there are some software issues, but no need to get our underwear all twisted about it.

Lucid needs to continue to address these problems, either software updates or updated hardware in later models.

Cost of the car is irrelevant, bit like saying I spent 500k on a Ferrari and it should never break down, or Rolls Royce should have robotaxi features because it costs 500k. Should a 30k car have navigation that only works in the state you by the car?

Let Lucid know, give them time to address and relax, enjoy the driving! I know I’ve been critical, but I also see the bigger picture.

Perhaps the updated hardware works better, might be a good reason to get the 2025 year model or even the Gravity.

Look at Peter’s emotions as he got out of the 1st production Gravity- makes me proud to have owned a car made by a real engineer who really is trying to make the best automobiles in the world.

Do I regret buying my Lucid….nope, and I’m sure I never will. Go Lucid!
Almost all EV makers have been struggling with reliability. Consumer Reports had rated the BMW IX tops; it just downgraded the IX substantially because of reliability issues (reliability score of the IX was 39 out of 100). Yes...I did give up, at least for now, on getting a Lucid as the wait for the Pure got interminable and another vehicle that checked as many boxes for me showed up but I recognize that the Lucid is an incredible machine, albeit with problems.

If my Genesis GV60P were totaled today, my two top choices for replacement would be the Lucid Air and the Genesis GV60. Both are not perfect but both give a terrific driving experience. There is nothing short of $100K+ that will give the driving experience of the Lucid. Anyone buying a Lucid must be prepared to be an early adopter with all that status entails.

But anyone who expected that a new company would produce as polished a vehicle as a company like BMW which has been producing cars for decades was dreaming.

I was a BMW owner before and was on the BMW forums. Even with decades of car building by BMW, the forum was filled with folks complaining about this and that.

Complaints about issues are fair as are complaints about long waits for resolution for those issues. But they should be balanced with the good that is there. For some, the issues will be overwhelming and they will decide to go elsewhere. That is legitimate. Others, probably most, will continue to own and drive Lucid not for what is bad about it but for what is good about it.

Finally, IMO criticism is fair, especially on an auto forum.

When I read about contentious issues I feel like a diving judge -- throw out the top and bottom scores and look for the middle.
 
I'm a new Lucid owner (end of October), might as well jump into the deep end of the pool…

TL;DR Lucid is beta, with all that implies — best-of-breed leading-edge/bleeding-edge (read: "buggy") technology. If you're good with that trade-off, buy Lucid! If you're not, buy a vehicle with a more mature platform.

In addition to being a new Lucid owner, I am also a "software guy per se" (serial startup CTO, fractional software CTO) and a very early Tesla adopter (my previous car was a Model S I bought in April 2013 — not a typo).

It is really hard to launch a new software platform (Lucid's) that is as robust as a platform that has a 10-year head start (Tesla's). That being said, try Googling "recent tesla software bugs" and restrict results to the past month. With far more experience and far greater resources, Tesla still releases bugs. Looking at these Lucid owner forums and based on my own ownership experience, I'd say Lucid's software is still beta but approaching "stable". It's hard to judge Lucid's pace of improvement from outside the company, but I believe they are well up the software maturity curve as a startup.

Still, as @Blue Lectroid said above, there's a big difference between annoying glitches and not being able to operate the car safely. As it so happens, my new 2025 Lucid Air Pure RWD bricked yesterday (!) in the middle of a drive (I was able to pull into a parking lot before it became completely disabled). My local service center says my car had already gotten the new harness referenced in the recent recall and are still investigating. I'll tell you what I did — I waited 24 hours for my blood to return to liquid form before posting to this forum. :-D

A beta experience is going to p*ss off some owners who "just want their car to work". Lucid's still beta. Even with my most recent experience, though, I'd call Lucid "late beta" and recommend it to anybody with that caveat.
I am sorry that your Pure bricked. As the owner of a pure RWD, could you please keep us posted on the diagnosis? Mine is a 2024 and the harness adjustment was made when the mobile tech visited me for an unrelated issue.

I loved your idea of a cool off period. I could really used that for so many things in my life! I am going to give it a try!
 
And the official “the only correct opinion is my opinion” post has been made. Can’t say I recall seeing the OP ask to have a rational discussion with you anywhere….I think your post came off as offensive to anyone reading here.

Well, it seems we've all become quite the enthusiastic volunteers in answering questions no one actually asked. How...generous of us.

I don't recall crowning my opinion as the ultimate truth. I was merely expressing my distaste for being branded a "flaming fanboy" before we've even had a chance to exchange ideas. But perhaps my apparently extraordinary ability to interpret written words puts me at an unfair advantage...how inconsiderate of me.

It's fascinating how some folks here seem to believe there are only two possible stances on Lucid: either you despise everything about it, or you worship the ground it drives on. Surprisingly, there's this mystical realm called "middle ground" where actual productive discussions can occur. Who knew?

But why bother with nuanced dialogue when we can kick down the door and condemn everyone who disagrees right off the bat:

What I found was a general reluctance among several posters to tell it like it is. Often an unwary new post which was critical of the car was flamed incessantly. I suspect that the flamers were concerned that the fledgling Lucid company was too fragile to survive an onslought of criticism, constructive or otherwise. I have to admit, I shared their concern, just having spent $110K on an untested vehicle. I desperately wanted this car to perform as spectacularly as it looked. Alas, after many home visits by the friendly Lucid tech, I feel compelled to tell it like it is, not to enrage the fanboy flamers, but to protect perspective new Air buyers from what I now consider my mistake.

Can't we chat about Lucid without immediately dividing into warring camps? Apparently not. According to people like OP, we've got the Lucid Love Brigade on one side, ready to defend their precious brand to the death, and the Self-Proclaimed Truth-Tellers on the other, armed with an arsenal in the form of (consulting OP's post) "telling it like it is".

Heaven forbid we entertain a smidge of nuance. No, no, it's much cozier in our echo chambers, isn't it? Why risk encountering a different perspective when we can just label anyone who disagrees a "fanboy flamer" and call it a day? It's only possible for the people who are critical to be telling the truth, the rest of us are all just blind and defensive of our "fragile fledgling Lucid".

Unlike others here, I expect people to act like mature adults, and when they don't, I'll happily respond in kind, since that's what you're implicitly telling me, that you're fine with talking at each other instead of to each other. A mature adult is capable of describing a bad experience without carpet bombing the rest of us with stupid and insulting accusations.
 
I'm a new Lucid owner (end of October), might as well jump into the deep end of the pool…

TL;DR Lucid is beta, with all that implies — best-of-breed leading-edge/bleeding-edge (read: "buggy") technology. If you're good with that trade-off, buy Lucid! If you're not, buy a vehicle with a more mature platform.

In addition to being a new Lucid owner, I am also a "software guy per se" (serial startup CTO, fractional software CTO) and a very early Tesla adopter (my previous car was a Model S I bought in April 2013 — not a typo).

It is really hard to launch a new software platform (Lucid's) that is as robust as a platform that has a 10-year head start (Tesla's). That being said, try Googling "recent tesla software bugs" and restrict results to the past month. With far more experience and far greater resources, Tesla still releases bugs. Looking at these Lucid owner forums and based on my own ownership experience, I'd say Lucid's software is still beta but approaching "stable". It's hard to judge Lucid's pace of improvement from outside the company, but I believe they are well up the software maturity curve as a startup.

Still, as @Blue Lectroid said above, there's a big difference between annoying glitches and not being able to operate the car safely. As it so happens, my new 2025 Lucid Air Pure RWD bricked yesterday (!) in the middle of a drive (I was able to pull into a parking lot before it became completely disabled). My local service center says my car had already gotten the new harness referenced in the recent recall and are still investigating. I'll tell you what I did — I waited 24 hours for my blood to return to liquid form before posting to this forum. :-D

A beta experience is going to p*ss off some owners who "just want their car to work". Lucid's still beta. Even with my most recent experience, though, I'd call Lucid "late beta" and recommend it to anybody with that caveat.
I have a feeling we’re going to like each other :p
 
I'm a new Lucid owner (end of October), might as well jump into the deep end of the pool…

TL;DR Lucid is beta, with all that implies — best-of-breed leading-edge/bleeding-edge (read: "buggy") technology. If you're good with that trade-off, buy Lucid! If you're not, buy a vehicle with a more mature platform.

In addition to being a new Lucid owner, I am also a "software guy per se" (serial startup CTO, fractional software CTO) and a very early Tesla adopter (my previous car was a Model S I bought in April 2013 — not a typo).

It is really hard to launch a new software platform (Lucid's) that is as robust as a platform that has a 10-year head start (Tesla's). That being said, try Googling "recent tesla software bugs" and restrict results to the past month. With far more experience and far greater resources, Tesla still releases bugs. Looking at these Lucid owner forums and based on my own ownership experience, I'd say Lucid's software is still beta but approaching "stable". It's hard to judge Lucid's pace of improvement from outside the company, but I believe they are well up the software maturity curve as a startup.

Still, as @Blue Lectroid said above, there's a big difference between annoying glitches and not being able to operate the car safely. As it so happens, my new 2025 Lucid Air Pure RWD bricked yesterday (!) in the middle of a drive (I was able to pull into a parking lot before it became completely disabled). My local service center says my car had already gotten the new harness referenced in the recent recall and are still investigating. I'll tell you what I did — I waited 24 hours for my blood to return to liquid form before posting to this forum. :-D

A beta experience is going to p*ss off some owners who "just want their car to work". Lucid's still beta. Even with my most recent experience, though, I'd call Lucid "late beta" and recommend it to anybody with that caveat.
I do appreciate your POV, and can reasonably understand how you got there; the only thing I would poke at is the beta/early adopter comment; so when you look at beta's they are a launch/ramp period for the business to truly partner with customers on something knowing there will be bumps and issues along the way, totally makes sense. But What happens is they price it at a substantial discount for the inconvenience while they learn and figure it out. As an early adopter I paid a premium price for something that was later massively decreased, and includes the fixes that were learned by me/us (aka heat pump). Early on I felt more of the "ya that's not good, we need to make this right" attitude, and it's slowly evolved (IMO) to more of a hard nosed line of not our problem.

Granted that was coming from a specific SC that has gotten a good amount of similar complaints so I'm even more curious to see how it goes at the new one.
 
If you want to see an example of a Beta car released at a cheap price, which is the armchair CEO advice, that would be Fisker. The CAR part of Lucid is far from Beta, in fact it wipes the floor with sedans from 100 year old companies. The features such as camera/software integration and some but not other software features, and also some build items like trim, are more beta than legacy automakers. And some of these intermittent drive failures are beta, but overall the car is not Beta. Like is Rivian Beta? Read reports of issues with their cars.
 
If you want to see an example of a Beta car released at a cheap price, which is the armchair CEO advice, that would be Fisker. The CAR part of Lucid is far from Beta, in fact it wipes the floor with sedans from 100 year old companies. The features such as camera/software integration and some but not other software features, and also some build items like trim, are more beta than legacy automakers. And some of these intermittent drive failures are beta, but overall the car is not Beta. Like is Rivian Beta? Read reports of issues with their cars.
I wasn't giving it the title I was expanding on it from another post, but I don't think it's an unfair title for them...
 
I think these things are just what happens when you have something very high tech, it’s honestly too complex and more prone to issues but when it works (almost all of the time for me) it’s really cool. In fact my cameras just glitched out again today, after having them replaced, and they’re still glitched after a nuclear reset. I may need to contact service. It’s annoying. But guess what, my 2024 Volvo V60 Recharge I got 6 months ago had the same problem as my 2022 Lucid, cameras intermittently failing to load. Volvo ended up doing some dealer only software update and that seems to have fixed it for now, but the car was in service for 5 days for that. For a car that cost $5k more than Lucid Pure. Lucid did about 12 things to my car including replacing the cameras in 4 days. I don’t know the solution, but I do know offering your very first product at a discount price so you can sort out bugs, while you are expanding to large scale production would be the path to financial insolvency.
 
I think these things are just what happens when you have something very high tech, it’s honestly too complex and more prone to issues but when it works (almost all of the time for me) it’s really cool. In fact my cameras just glitched out again today, after having them replaced, and they’re still glitched after a nuclear reset. I may need to contact service. It’s annoying. But guess what, my 2024 Volvo V60 Recharge I got 6 months ago had the same problem as my 2022 Lucid, cameras intermittently failing to load. Volvo ended up doing some dealer only software update and that seems to have fixed it for now, but the car was in service for 5 days for that. For a car that cost $5k more than Lucid Pure. Lucid did about 12 things to my car including replacing the cameras in 4 days. I don’t know the solution, but I do know offering your very first product at a discount price so you can sort out bugs, while you are expanding to large scale production would be the path to financial insolvency.
I really don't want to argue with you BL, I do like you! But I can assure you this is how "beta" programs work in software
 
Sure. But then Volvo and Rivian are beta also.
 
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