Interview with Peter at Bloomberg Summit

[HC_79]

I agree with you in concept, fwiw (as is usually true with the two of us, actually!), but I would add that the capability of FSD compared to other systems appears to be extremely inconsistent. Given that it’s backed by an iterative but relatively unpredictable AI, that’s not actually that surprising, but the one thing I can say about Lucid’s DA is that it is predictable.

For example, I have found a spot on I-5 where it gets confused and veers left on a left exit, but it does that *every time* that kind of exit with that specific distance of lane comes up. That means when I see it coming up, until the bug is fixed, I can simply account for it.

My main issue with FSD is how unpredictable it is. It will work perfectly fine right up until it doesn’t, and it will fail in exactly the same spot it has succeeded twenty times before. That, to me, is far worse than failing consistently.

Mercedes, I have found, has a better system than FSD (or DA). Hyundai’s/Genesis’ sucks compared to any of them.

But *only one* is unpredictable, as I have found.

I recognize all of that is anecdotal, and I am not suggesting everyone has the same experience. I’m only speaking to my own.

But yes, I am all for automated driving, largely because *most people are bad at driving*. I just want it to be predictable, and to me, FSD very much isn’t.

My number one rule on the road is simple: “don’t surprise other drivers.” If you can avoid doing that, you’ll be most of the way to getting home safely.

I agree but I kind of get sick and tired of people saying “FSD is crap” “FSD will kill you” when again, without Tesla I don’t think other automakers would’ve stepped up their ADAS game.

To some extent, all of them are unpredictable, which is why (apart from Mercedes) no one has jumped on the Level 3 bandwagon. Even Lucid’s is unpredictable. I’ve had it suddenly give up halfway through a bend without warning, just wanting to veer straight off the road. Even in the latest version, 2.6.0, the random disengagement of Drive Assist for no apparent reason hasn’t disappeared. It happened to me yesterday. They’re all level 2 for a reason; people need to be paying attention at all times. Out of my drives with FSD, 95% have been positive, as with most other drive assist systems. That being said, I’ve never agreed with how Tesla has marketed it.

 

[Batteryman]

overrated? lol, ok. Tesla’s ADAS works much better than Lucid’s and probably any automakers for that matter. If you remove the marketing hype and take it for what it is, a Level 2 ADAS system it’s leagues ahead of the competition.

Also, a person behind the steering wheel falling asleep, drunk driving, distracted on their phone can kill you so maybe tone down on the constant narrative that Tesla FSD is the only thing that can kill you. You shouldn’t be so quick to dismiss how many times these systems have actually prevented accidents and saved lives.

Sorry, it is overrated....its called FULL SELF DRIVING for God's sake!

 

[Batteryman]

I agree but I kind of get sick and tired of people saying “FSD is crap” “FSD will kill you” when again, without Tesla I don’t think other automakers would’ve stepped up their ADAS game.

To some extent, all of them are unpredictable, which is why (apart from Mercedes) no one has jumped on the Level 3 bandwagon. Even Lucid’s is unpredictable. I’ve had it suddenly give up halfway through a bend without warning, just wanting to veer straight off the road. Even in the latest version, 2.6.0, the random disengagement of Drive Assist for no apparent reason hasn’t disappeared. It happened to me yesterday. They’re all level 2 for a reason; people need to be paying attention at all times. Out of my drives with FSD, 95% have been positive, as with most other drive assist systems. That being said, I’ve never agreed with how Tesla has marketed it.

Go tell that to the families of those killed using FSD- it disengages a few seconds before impacy- voila...Tesla doesn't take responsibility. Per Tesla car wasn't in FSD before crash so they are not to blame. It was marketed as FSD..Elmo himself lies about it. Tesla video promoting FSD was a LIE...the engineer himself admitted it. Robotaxi in 2018 he said- 7 years on....NOTHING! But hey, stock price can be manipulated up! And guess why he wants the NHTSA abolished? Elmo doesn't need to release crash data and can test FSD on innocent civilians who never signed up for this. No geomapping means one day you or me can be killed by a Tesla Robotaxi....

Go look at disengagement data- Tesla is way behind Waymo.

Anyone believing that cameras with no redundancy is safe has swallowed the elmo pill....

Lucid doesnt advertise as FSD...and has lidar/radar. There is a difference between lying about your product and doing due diligence. Elmo doesnt give a speck of dust if anyone who bought FSD dies....because he needs the money to go to MARS!

 

[Batteryman]

I agree but I kind of get sick and tired of people saying “FSD is crap” “FSD will kill you” when again, without Tesla I don’t think other automakers would’ve stepped up their ADAS game.

To some extent, all of them are unpredictable, which is why (apart from Mercedes) no one has jumped on the Level 3 bandwagon. Even Lucid’s is unpredictable. I’ve had it suddenly give up halfway through a bend without warning, just wanting to veer straight off the road. Even in the latest version, 2.6.0, the random disengagement of Drive Assist for no apparent reason hasn’t disappeared. It happened to me yesterday. They’re all level 2 for a reason; people need to be paying attention at all times. Out of my drives with FSD, 95% have been positive, as with most other drive assist systems. That being said, I’ve never agreed with how Tesla has marketed it.

Yes, I'm pissed big time at LIAR ELON MUSK because I paid him 15k for FSD for 2 Tesla in 2018/2019 believing the trash that comes out of his mouth! Losing 15k is justifies my honesty about him. People say- he is overtly optimistic....BS....Its called lying and manipulation....you think Elmo is dumb enough that he doesn't realize how far along FSD is???...ah but he is so smart!!!

Selling our remaining Tesla this year ....good riddance to that lying company!

 

[HC_79]

Yes, I'm pissed big time at LIAR ELON MUSK because I paid him 15k for FSD for 2 Tesla in 2018/2019 believing the trash that comes out of his mouth! Losing 15k is justifies my honesty about him. People say- he is overtly optimistic....BS....Its called lying and manipulation....you think Elmo is dumb enough that he doesn't realize how far along FSD is???...ah but he is so smart!!!

Selling our remaining Tesla this year ....good riddance to that lying company!

There’s no point arguing with you. The real reason why you despise it so much is because you feel you got slighted by Tesla and can’t get over it.

Stop steering every thread off topic on how much to hate FSD and Tesla. Go to a Tesla forum if you want to do that.

 

[Batteryman]

There’s no point arguing with you. The real reason why you despise it so much is because you feel you got slighted by Tesla and can’t get over it.

Stop steering every thread off topic on how much to hate FSD and Tesla. Go to a Tesla forum if you want to do that.

Yes that is part of my issue, also Musk just lies. Best adas, yes I agree, but not safe as FSD. And a company not to be trusted with your life. When Musk doesn't mind blatantly lying about his product, why would anyone put their life in his hands. All Teslas bought in 2018 has robotaxi capability, he lied. Tesla is an appreciating product...he lied.

I will never give another cent to this liar and will never trust my life in a Tesla Robotaxi.

But of other want to, thats fine with me. I bet you majority of those who use and post are Musk fanboys.....or those who made a lot of money on their TSLA investment. Human nature...if you made x10 your investment on a company, you will kiss their feet everyday....

 

[FurryOne]

But of other want to, thats fine with me. I bet you majority of those who use and post are Musk fanboys.....or those who made a lot of money on their TSLA investment. Human nature...if you made x10 your investment on a company, you will kiss their feet everyday....

As someone that uses Tesla's ADAS every time I drive, your comment insults me. Does it have quirks? Yes, but show me one that doesn't. I let it navigate to appointments automatically transferred from my phone, and have been using it for almost 6 years now, watching the glitches get removed (and the occasional ones added) No software is bug free.

And as for your "fanboy" and "TSLA" comments - I'm neither, and even have an "I bought this before..." decal on my car. I'd appreciate it if you keep your derogatory comments to yourself. I'm here because of interest in Lucid as my next and probably last car.

 

[borski]

Let's keep it civil please, or I'll be forced to close this thread. Keep it on topic, which is Peter's interview.

 

[Electrified]

Yes, I'm pissed big time at LIAR ELON MUSK because I paid him 15k for FSD for 2 Tesla in 2018/2019 believing the trash that comes out of his mouth! Losing 15k is justifies my honesty about him. People say- he is overtly optimistic....BS....Its called lying and manipulation....you think Elmo is dumb enough that he doesn't realize how far along FSD is???...ah but he is so smart!!!

Selling our remaining Tesla this year ....good riddance to that lying company!

I don't think that anyone with a straight face can dispute Batteryman's assertation that Musk is a compulsive liar.

 

[FurryOne]

I don't think that anyone with a straight face can dispute Batteryman's assertation that Musk is a compulsive liar.

I joined this forum to learn about Lucid, not to hear rants about Tesla & Musk, thank you.

 

[borski]

I joined this forum to learn about Lucid, not to hear rants about Tesla & Musk, thank you.

You’re not wrong, but a quick public service reminder: in addition to relying on us to moderate the forum, you can also ignore other posters directly if they bother you significantly. Keep in mind that by doing this you may miss some discussions, but that’s not always a bad thing.

 

[HC_79]

You’re not wrong, but a quick public service reminder: in addition to relying on us to moderate the forum, you can also ignore other posters directly if they bother you significantly. Keep in mind that by doing this you may miss some discussions, but that’s not always a bad thing.

It still does give you the option to view an ignored users comment if you need to get context on the conversation though.

 

[borski]

It still does give you the option to view an ignored users comment if you need to get context on the conversation though.

I'll be honest, I did not know that, lol. As a mod, I can't ignore anyone (life is unfair), so I had no idea, haha.

 

[gavram]

I knew Lucid was going to license their tech, but doing that at 80% as the core business has me concerned.

With all of the US EV and tariff headwinds at the moment, whatever keeps Lucid in business so I don't end up with an unsellable car I'm a fan of.

 

[msaunders9430]

With all of the US EV and tariff headwinds at the moment, whatever keeps Lucid in business so I don't end up with an unsellable car I'm a fan of.

As a Lucid shareholder and future Gravity owner, I agree.
The post shown below from Lucid's VP of Communications makes me wonder if others also have some concerns about the 20/80 strategy.
Perhaps some interpreted Peter's statement as meaning fewer cars would be built. Not my interpretation.

As the saying goes "The devil is in the details".
Time will tell.

 

[Ktw13]

We are here to talk about Peters interview and future licencing deal, who cares about ADAS from other company.

Peter is smart to ignore noise and concentrate on what Lucid does the best, EV hardware and software, the leading position was not given but with tremendous hard work and investment, it's not worth it to get side tracked.

I have no way to know if BYD ADAS is better than Tesla, but we all know it's for free.