Interior temperature control

[rfc805]

If the car has automatic climate control, you will find the setting displayed somewhere in nearly every single one of them. I'm sure there's exceptions, but they're few.

The between blue and red is for cars that don't have automatic climate control, and thus don't have a temperature setting to display.

Agree with the first statement, it's a minor thing - but a very normal thing to ask for. What car have you driven that has climate control that doesn't have a temperature display?

 

[hmp10]

Sure, so, it can be an option. But at the same time, you never even noticed it on the Honda - why do you think you'd notice it as "clutter" on the Air? A lot of it comes down to how well they design it.

I'm at an age where the distance from my eyes to the screens in our cars lies right in that no-man's land between needing my reading glasses and not needing them. The more information that is packed into a given screen size, the more visual clutter. The fewer and larger the displayed items the better for me.

What I like about the Air is that when you tap the toggle button above the pilot screen, the temperature comes up in clear, large text. Displaying the same size text continuously would occupy too much screen space.

 

[rfc805]

I'm at an age where the distance from my eyes to the screens in our cars lies right in that no-man's land between needing my reading glasses and not needing them. The more information that is packed into a given screen size, the more visual clutter. The fewer and larger the displayed items the better for me.

What I like about the Air is that when you tap the toggle button above the pilot screen, the temperature comes up in clear, large text. Displaying the same size text continuously would occupy too much screen space.

Sure, it's pretty normal that it's displayed small in the static display, and large when being changed. Again, a lot of it comes down to how well they design the interface.

I'm sure I'm not unusual here in that right now I have 5 cars, 1 is the Air, 1 does not have climate control so it has the old blue/red sliders. The rest all have a constant display of temperature. None of them feel cluttered or such, but - they're also all from manufacturers who have been developing these interfaces/interactions for a very long time.

 

[segbrk]

Agree with the first statement, it's a minor thing - but a very normal thing to ask for. What car have you driven that has climate control that doesn't have a temperature display?

You're right, I did not mean to imply that most cars with automatic climate control don't display that somewhere. Just:
1) That it hasn't usually been on a screen or on the dash, but rather a small 7-segment display. So saying "just do what everybody else has done" isn't quite valid?
2) That automatic climate control itself wasn't even common until relatively recently. My 2015 car was the first I drove with it. So to latch onto the status quo as "this is how it has always been" seems a bit absurd.

And still, like I said, nothing against adding it as I would probably never notice it. I just find the, er, "enthusiasm" of this request eye-roll-worthy rather than its substance.

 

[rfc805]

#1 is a bit misleading though, because cars haven't had screens as a primary display for very long. The two I have which are new enough that they do, the climate temperature display has migrated there in both of them. The F150 actually has it in both, there's an LCD on the knob itself, and then it's displayed again at the top of the screen.

For #2, depends on the 'segment'. It's been common on luxury cars in this 'class' for a lot longer than that. Or even not just in the class, but any higher trim vehicles. I recall my dad had a 1987 Nissan 300ZX Turbo. Even it had a constant display for this.

 

[joec]

"Because everyone else does it" are words that would be in no designer's vocabulary.

Every other car had an ICE engine. Until someone thought to try something else.

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but this is part of Lucid's brand. They are a "move the state of the art forward" kind of company. Copying everyone else is the antithesis of that.

Does that mean you throw out everything every car does? No. Obviously many of those choices are essential. But you do question every single choice every other manufacturer makes. Is this really necessary? If not, toss it.

This can take you to dangerous places, of course. Many here have spoken at length about how Tesla takes away too many physical controls. Lucid struck a better balance on that front.
Again, in service of what a human actually needs when driving. Turn signals, vent adjustments, temperature. These are all better controlled by physical buttons, so you can keep your eyes off the screen.

When it comes to displaying information, though, Tesla is the opposite of Lucid. Their interface is a wall of text full of distractions and indecipherable icons. It's a constant animated cartoon of what you can see for yourself through the windows. It begs to be stared at.

Lucid takes removing these distractions very seriously. What's the bare minimum information I need in my face to drive? Speed. Battery level. My next turn in nav. Any warnings that may need to be displayed. This, to me, is the correct approach, since my eyes are supposed to be on the road, not the screen.

People are free to disagree. That's why there are other cars to drive.

Temperature seems an obvious thing that no one needs to have thrown at their eyeballs constantly. So it got tossed out. I couldn't agree with Lucid more on that choice.

 

[rfc805]

That's a whole lot of nonsense to justify something irrelevant to you. It can be as simple as an on/off configuration for people who want it.

The bare minimum information? Please. The large "Air" stylized logo on the right side of the instrument cluster that's constantly present is "taking that seriously"?

To say "go buy another car" because of a disagreement like this is incredibly stupid. We're talking about a mass market consumer product, not a bespoke piece. It's also definitely not the approach Lucid takes, since they have made numerous changes to the UI and other things based on customer feedback.

 

[hydbob]

My contribution to this thread is LOL. Love the energy!

 

[AirDoll]

I don’t care what the temp is, if I’m cold I turn it up with a quick tap of the button on the piano keys on the dash, and if I’m hot it goes down. Numbers don’t matter. Some hills are not worth climbing nor dying on.

 

[Neurio]

 

[joec]

That's a whole lot of nonsense to justify something irrelevant to you. It can be as simple as an on/off configuration for people who want it.

The bare minimum information? Please. The large "Air" stylized logo on the right side of the instrument cluster that's constantly present is "taking that seriously"?

To say "go buy another car" because of a disagreement like this is incredibly stupid. We're talking about a mass market consumer product, not a bespoke piece. It's also definitely not the approach Lucid takes, since they have made numerous changes to the UI and other things based on customer feedback.

"Nonsense." This is how you sum up the entire design industry. Good to know.

Look, I get it. You clearly don't have anyone who works in design in your life. That's okay. But don't dismiss the hard work these folks do because you happen to disagree with one of their choices. That's incredibly, how would you put it? Stupid.

I didn't say go buy another car. I said this is why there is choice in the car industry. I'm clearly not the only one here who doesn't want or need to see my current temperature setting. That proves this is a valid choice by Lucid's design team.

If Lucid sold no cars because they left off the temperature, then you'd have a point. But they're outselling most brands in their class. So you don't.

Finally, this is not a mass market consumer product. Nothing that costs $70k and up is mass market by definition.

 

[Tâm]

The display screen should be user configurable. Some drivers want more information (that is me) and some want as fewer information as possible.

Drivers' needs are different.

Different needs don't mean a driver is wrong.

I remember when I first complained that I needed more bass in Lucid. Many people said I got the wrong car. However, now Lucid is fixing the lack of bass issues.

Some want more; some have no wants. Different preferences don't make an owner outright wrong.

 

[EVCar]

The display screen should be user configurable. Some drivers want more information (that is me) and some want as fewer information as possible.

Drivers' needs are different.

Different needs don't mean a driver is wrong.

I remember when I first complained that I needed more bass in Lucid. Many people said I got the wrong car. However, now Lucid is fixing the lack of bass issues.

Some want more; some have no wants. Different preferences don't make an owner outright wrong.

Completely agree.
Many have commented on the Air logo and what else could be placed there.
Me?
I like the Air logo.
While charging at EA, instead of getting my blood pressure up because of the randomness of EA, I just intensely stare at the logo, thinking of it as a symbol of vast emptiness, and soon my mind will merge into this space of bareness on the cockpit glass, and I'll be calm like a summer lake.
There we go, my contribution to the daily forum traffic.

 

[duc900]

"Nonsense." This is how you sum up the entire design industry. Good to know.

Look, I get it. You clearly don't have anyone who works in design in your life. That's okay. But don't dismiss the hard work these folks do because you happen to disagree with one of their choices. That's incredibly, how would you put it? Stupid.

I didn't say go buy another car. I said this is why there is choice in the car industry. I'm clearly not the only one here who doesn't want or need to see my current temperature setting. That proves this is a valid choice by Lucid's design team.

If Lucid sold no cars because they left off the temperature, then you'd have a point. But they're outselling most brands in their class. So you don't.

Finally, this is not a mass market consumer product. Nothing that costs $70k and up is mass market by definition.

For a moderator, you are making very broad statements. Not certain that's the right approach even if you disagree.

 

[hmp10]

For a moderator, you are making very broad statements. Not certain that's the right approach even if you disagree.

I think you're misunderstanding the role of a moderator in the context of a discussion forum. The forum moderators are here to be sure forum rules about content and behavior are observed. He is not a debate moderator that has to maintain a neutral position on matters under discussion. As I understand it, the moderators on this forum are forum members who have also volunteered for duty as forum moderators. As such, @joec should be as free as any forum member to weigh in with his own opinions about topics under discussion.

 

[duc900]

I think you're misunderstanding the role of a moderator in the context of a discussion forum. The forum moderators are here to be sure forum rules about content and behavior are observed. He is not a debate moderator that has to maintain a neutral position on matters under discussion. As I understand it, the moderators on this forum are forum members who have also volunteered for duty as forum moderators. As such, @joec should be as free as any forum member to weigh in with his own opinions about topics under discussion.

Maybe, but the definition of moderator is not something I authored. And moderators, can either be impartial or not. Can't have it both ways. See ample comments where moderators say otherwise on this forum.

I am fine with either, just need to be consistent.

 

[rfc805]

Completely agree.
Many have commented on the Air logo and what else could be placed there.
Me?
I like the Air logo.
While charging at EA, instead of getting my blood pressure up because of the randomness of EA, I just intensely stare at the logo, thinking of it as a symbol of vast emptiness, and soon my mind will merge into this space of bareness on the cockpit glass, and I'll be calm like a summer lake.
There we go, my contribution to the daily forum traffic.

Personally I agree - the Air logo also turns to other things when the context is right. They did a good job.

However, it is not a shining example of minimizing display usage. Nor does it need to be. Was kind of the point I was getting at - you can display more without it feeling intrusive if you do it right.

My guess is over time they will add a lot of this - maybe or maybe not to the Air itself, who knows how long of a life this particular system has. They've already hinted that the Gravity will likely get things the Air isn't capable of due to its architecture. Simple informational displays will likely come though.

We should maybe fold this whole thing back into "Why can't I see battery % and remaining range at the same time?"

 

[borski]

All the defense about not having it is weird. Basically every car does this. It's pretty normal for people to expect it to be there/want it to be there.

Not defense. Simply a question of why.

Yes, can press up/down to see where it is. But why not just see where it is without pressing up/down? How many cars have you had that don't display it other than Lucid?

Irrelevant. I still haven’t seen a single reason other than “everyone else does it,” which is not, in and of itself, a good reason. Everyone else also has metal roofs, on average, with few exceptions. So?

There's a lot of information that is generally present or available to be present on most cars that Lucid doesn't show - hopefully, in time, they add these as configurable options.

Maybe. I’m all for options, as long as the default is still uncluttered.

I prefer to be able to see the temperature at all times...can't exactly say why, but there's a reason most cars have this always available for reference

But there isn’t always a reason. Sometimes it’s just “because everyone else has done it that way,” and it takes someone relatively bold to do it differently. If we always did things the way they were always done, we’d be driving internal combustion engines.

 

[borski]

Maybe, but the definition of moderator is not something I authored. And moderators, can either be impartial or not. Can't have it both ways. See ample comments where moderators say otherwise on this forum.

I am fine with either, just need to be consistent.

Actually, that isn’t the definition of a moderator in this context. First of all:

noun
noun: moderator; plural noun: moderators
2. a person who moderates an internet forum or online discussion.

So then we have to define what moderate, the verb, means; the third definition is the relevant one:

3. monitor (an internet forum or online discussion) for inappropriate or offensive content.

So now that we’ve established that being a moderator does not mean having no views, let’s talk about what it means to be a moderate in general, and address your concerns directly.

There are intentional moderates and accidental moderates. I am not an intentional moderate; I am an accidental moderate. Paul Graham describes the difference well:

Intentional moderates are trimmers, deliberately choosing a position mid-way between the extremes of right and left. Accidental moderates end up in the middle, on average, because they make up their own minds about each question, and the far right and far left are roughly equally wrong.

You can read more here: https://paulgraham.com/mod.html

 

[rfc805]

Not defense. Simply a question of why.


Irrelevant. I still haven’t seen a single reason other than “everyone else does it,” which is not, in and of itself, a good reason. Everyone else also has metal roofs, on average, with few exceptions. So?


Maybe. I’m all for options, as long as the default is still uncluttered.


But there isn’t always a reason. Sometimes it’s just “because everyone else has done it that way,” and it takes someone relatively bold to do it differently. If we always did things the way they were always done, we’d be driving internal combustion engines.

Sure, here's a reason.

If I'm finding the temperature uncomfortable, and I don't remember what it's set to, it'd be nice to be able to see without pressing anything and taking my hand off the wheel.

It might just be the car hasn't reached the set temperature yet, or it might be the temperature was changed. Without it being visible, I don't know which it is. Having to actually press something to find out is less good than just having a simple 2 digit temperature number somewhere on the display.

And I agree, if that isn't useful to you, it'd be ideal for it to be customizable just like most other things.

This isn't really a "bold design choice" or anything significant. In fact, if you press the fan on the pilot screen, it will show you this all the time. Or the main screen, where you can see drive modes all the time instead. There's that odd little Lucid cloud connected icon on the dash display home screen that I'd argue is more clutter and less useful than replacing it with 2 little numbers showing the climate set temp.

I don't believe this falls in any of that - it's just they're busy, and it isn't super important. But it'd be a nice configurable to have. I could probably thing of a half dozen or more other things I'd like to just be displayed permanently on the little dash panel top bar where the outside temp is permanently displayed.