Don't forget to consider battery degradation too and that you should leave about 10% battery remaining cushion. At 85% efficiency of EPA range (I watched video where a team tested iirc 7 EVs and that seems to be average), add 10% cushion, plus 15% degradation... I would estimate about 66% as actual range. 400mi range would be ~260mi. Would get more degradation to 30% after 10 years dropping it down to ~215mi.
There are really no other alternatives if you want range. Lucid has the longest ranges by far. You won’t find another vehicle that comes close to the Air with that parameter. If you don’t get the expected range with the Air, then you are going to have the same issues with any other car, and even lower ranges.
We just got back from a 1000-mile road trip with our XC40 electric. Absolutely loved it, though it took seven generally-welcomed charges of 15 minutes and three at 30 minutes. The Lucid would have required five charges instead of ten, and half the total charging time, but would not have been capable of this trip due to low ground clearance. I do want the Air's greater range to be able to drive the car to areas where charging is sparse, but am struggling over whether the Air's reduced versatility and too-large size for city driving is a worthwhile tradeoff. BTW Volvo can't get parts to make these and has just canceled all US customer orders for 2022 and 2023.
well, yes. Of course. The !ucid is a performance sedan, not an off-roading vehicle. If you want to off-road, get a Rivian.
Just trying to say that going for highest range at the expense of other attributes may not be the best choice. Don't know yet if I'll follow through with my Air order - If Lucid or Rivian offered a 400-mile EPA range SUV that was 180-185" long, I'd be all over it.
Test drive a BMW iX. I liked it a lot.
If they did not send a special car then what are we all doing wrong that non of us can achieve any where close to the EPA
I don't believe the EPA is testing the cars at 70 plus miles and hour like everyone seems to be doing,( including myself on a recent 400 mile trip (200 each way)). I have taken the same trip with our 2020 Taycan 4S and the 2021 Plaid and all three deliver, within the margin of error, between 2.9 and 3.2 Miles/kWh. Not surprised since all three cars having similar drag coefficients. I am actually surprised how well the Lucid does being a lot heavier than the Plaid. The Taycan has a two speed gearbox and free-wheeling which helps it achieve a respectable 280 plus miles on a 93kWh battery.
I honestly don't think anyone is doing anything "wrong" per say. I think it's more about each individuals expectations and where they align. It has been stated pretty early on that those EPA tests are using the same method as Tesla, which is different from the one all of the other manufacturers are using. Every range test I've seen people mention how the Tesla falls short of it's EPA range so the expectation should be that the Lucid will as well. Even when these reviewers perform their tests, they state that are doing it in the most optimal conditions which in most cases is a loop and they're using ACC. Inversely the other manufacturers often exceed their advertised range due to the test they use. So once you set expectations you can either buy a vehicle with lower range knowing you will either meet or exceed the EPA range or you can get the Lucid and know that you probably will fall short of that 400-520 mile range depending on configuration. If anyone falls out of line with the average efficiency others are getting and they've determined it's not an issue with conditions, then having Lucid inspect the vehicle is most likely recommended.
Yes, but if I drive in the same ideal conditions (temp, elevation, speed) I should get at least close right? I just did 50 miles, 65 degrees, 70 mph ACC, wind <5 mph, perfectly flat... 3.0 mi/kW. That's not close.
Actually if you are able to maintain that you should see your efficiency go up since you no longer have to get the car up to 70mph.
Couldn't look at that face eery day for the next 5 years....
Firstly, I hope no one takes my statement as dismissive as that was not the intent. With that said yes one would expect you to be closer. But you also have to keep in mind that they are charging to 100% and driving until they drain the battery. That will most definitely help with their efficiency. Most owners charge to 80% and then drive a specific path. I would be curious if someone performed a similar test under similar conditions how close they would get to that efficiency. From what I've seen for average driving most users are getting between 3.0-3.5 mi/kW hours.
The first 120 miles of Inside EV's test was 4.0 mi/kW. I would need to get 4.7 mi/kW (10% over EPA) over the next 70 miles to get the same. Not likely since they never got over 4.3 on the entire trip.
Insideevs lists their range test results - only 8 cars out of 27 beat or meet the EPA rating BUT 4 of them were variations of the Taycan.
I am not trying to meet/beat EPA. I am trying to get even close to Inside EV and Edmunds. That should be possible right?
Only if you drive in their test conditions. I understand your frustration about the range, and you should email customer service about it, but trying to achieve their results outside of their testing is an exercise in futility. Everything affects range and it all adds up.
Tom had 6000 miles on his and edmunds had 9000 - could be the same car. Since this was a media car, drive it really hard for a few thousand miles like the media would. Then do the test.
