How Much Range Are You Actually Getting?

[hydbob]

Okay results of the most recent trip

801.3 miles
261kwh
3.1 mi/kwh

This was from Pasadena --> Gilbert --> Pasadena
Starting elevation 482 ft
Ending elevation 1237

Return Trip temp - Started in the 90s up to low 100s down to low 80s
AC set at 72 the whole time
ACC set to 80mph

EPA estimate - 3.82 mi/kwh
Actual - 3.1 mi/kwh
81% of EPA

 

[LCIDdreams]

Honestly this guy got all most 100% of range in 50 degrees doing 70 miles an hour.

I think for the majority of the driving the temps were higher (60s into 70s). I’m not sure about wind conditions but if it was dead still that obviously helps. 70mph vs 75 is also a factor too.

Nevertheless I think this scenario (getting so close to EPA) is an outlier event amongst all EVs. Anecdotal reports of real work experience where range os around 75% of EPA seem pretty common across EV brands

 

[LCIDdreams]

Awesome, much appreciated. I guess the question comes down to if they divide by the battery's capacity to get the % (e.g. 112 kWh) or by the amount of energy needed to charge the battery (131 kWh for a GT with 21").

I would think it has to be by the battery capacity. Surely the amount of energy needed to recharge is dependent on many factors outside of Lucids control… ambient temperature when charging, battery temperature when beginning charge session, losses from the charge cable and equipment due to resistance (thru heat), AC vs DC fast charge, charging voltage etc. etc.

Also, the Inside EV video seems to show the efficiency calculation is just a straight miles traveled divided by kWh consumed (in this case 117kwh…Lucid confirmed battery capacity is 118kwh…they didn’t run the car until the battery died so that seems to jive)

 

[digiboxer]

Then the only conclusion I can draw is there is something wrong with my car. If they used my car in their exact test, I do not believe it would perform the same. I will bow out of this thread, it isn't helping me figure out what may be wrong and likely getting in the way of other conversations.

i would urge that you don't bow out, but return with any data that are new...thats why we are all here

 

[hydbob]

How are you calculating the 3.82 mi/kWh EPA?

451 miles/118kwh

 

[changenow]

This might sound stupid but how is your battery drain overnight? I lose about 2 miles of range every night

I have been losing about 1-2 miles an hour overnight when I first got my GT. My garage was in the 45-55 degree range. They took my car in for testing and could not find anything wrong. I was told that when it is below around 70 degrees the motor will come on throughout the night to keep the batteries warm. Also every time you open the Lucid app and wake up the car two "very powerful computers" turn on and they uses a lot of power booting up. When opening the app several hours apart appears to cause a loss of a few miles. I was told the solution was to keep my car plugged in when ever I was not using it at home and that would reduce the phantom drain issues. This sounds crazy to me since I have had 4 Teslas that might lose a mile or two a night unplugged.

Off topic. I haven't been tracking the lose lately as it is back in the shop because the battery died two days ago as I was pulling out of a parking space in a shopping center, blocking traffic until customer support helped me out. The batter was 67% charged at the time. I got the red batter icon. Did you know, unlike a Tesla, you can't do a hard or soft reboot while in the car? You have to actually leave the car and be far enough away that it goes into sleep mode. As if that is not crazy enough and dangerous. It will not reboot if the hazard lights are on. I had to call support twice to try to figure out wtf was going on. So I was sticking halfway into a driving lane for 20 minutes and had to keep leaving my car so it could reboot only to find that it wouldn't the first two time until I mentioned that I had the hazards on. It did work the 3rd time when I stepped away from my car, blocking traffic, with no hazards on. Once rebooted I was able to drive home.

 

[Maverick]

I have been losing about 1-2 miles an hour overnight when I first got my GT. My garage was in the 45-55 degree range. They took my car in for testing and could not find anything wrong. I was told that when it is below around 70 degrees the motor will come on throughout the night to keep the batteries warm. Also every time you open the Lucid app and wake up the car two "very powerful computers" turn on and they uses a lot of power booting up. When opening the app several hours apart appears to cause a loss of a few miles. I was told the solution was to keep my car plugged in when ever I was not using it at home and that would reduce the phantom drain issues. This sounds crazy to me since I have had 4 Teslas that might lose a mile or two a night unplugged.

Off topic. I haven't been tracking the lose lately as it is back in the shop because the battery died two days ago as I was pulling out of a parking space in a shopping center, blocking traffic until customer support helped me out. The batter was 67% charged at the time. I got the red batter icon. Did you know, unlike a Tesla, you can't do a hard or soft reboot while in the car? You have to actually leave the car and be far enough away that it goes into sleep mode. As if that is not crazy enough and dangerous. It will not reboot if the hazard lights are on. I had to call support twice to try to figure out wtf was going on. So I was sticking halfway into a driving lane for 20 minutes and had to keep leaving my car so it could reboot only to find that it wouldn't the first two time until I mentioned that I had the hazards on. It did work the 3rd time when I stepped away from my car, blocking traffic, with no hazards on. Once rebooted I was able to drive home.

You bring up an interesting question for me. Is there a manual way to shift the car into neutral? Granted the weight of the car would be tough to push, but is there even the option to try if your battery is dead?

 

[changenow]

You bring up an interesting question for me. Is there a manual way to shift the car into neutral? Granted the weight of the car would be tough to push, but is there even the option to try if your battery is dead?

When the battery cut out I was trying to put the car into reverse from forward and it would not change but then the car started rolling backwards as if it was in neutral mode. It would not respond to the acceleration pedal so I immediately put it into park. Once in park I could not get any further responses from the pedals and the gear shift.

 

[Hcuellar77]

Second road trip w Lucid. AC on all the way, cruise control at 80, 21” wheels, Average 3.1mi/kw, 267mi to first charging station and car read as still some 130mi left, I preconditioned about 25min before charging station and that depleted range fast.
So I think I would be very comfortable with a 300mi trip to first charging.
I think I would have made it all the way to destination 315mi without charging if I had a free charge point at my destination(i.e. EA),I didn’t, so I will stop at same EA station on way back.

 

[milgauss]

Second road trip w Lucid. AC on all the way, cruise control at 80, 21” wheels, Average 3.1mi/kw, 267mi to first charging station and car read as still some 130mi left, I preconditioned about 25min before charging station and that depleted range fast.
So I think I would be very comfortable with a 300mi trip to first charging.
I think I would have made it all the way to destination 315mi without charging if I had a free charge point at my destination(i.e. EA),I didn’t, so I will stop at same EA station on way back.

Great info, did you start the trip at 100% charge? Also, Dream R/P or GT?

 

[Steveinarizona]

I hope I don't get eggs thrown at me here for sounding "political"....but at times I think the EPA bloats the milage figures to make EVs more attractive to consumers

tossed eggs. If that were the plan, here in the US we would be using the more generous European standard.

 

[MoniputerLM]

My brother has a Tesla Model S. My son a Model 3 and we now have a DE and AMG EQS. All of these cars have different EPA ratings but from my limited experience, the Lucid has better range. I have learned that there are a lot of factors that influence range and driving an EV with the current battery technology and number of public chargers on a long trip requires planning. That said, the range for daily use of any of the current crop of EVs is more than enough for me because its so easy to charge every night at home.

I LOVE the instant smooth torque and shear power of an EV so I can wait for the infrastructure and technology to improve. ICE cars 60-70 years were not that great.

 

[hydbob]

I have been losing about 1-2 miles an hour overnight when I first got my GT. My garage was in the 45-55 degree range. They took my car in for testing and could not find anything wrong. I was told that when it is below around 70 degrees the motor will come on throughout the night to keep the batteries warm. Also every time you open the Lucid app and wake up the car two "very powerful computers" turn on and they uses a lot of power booting up. When opening the app several hours apart appears to cause a loss of a few miles. I was told the solution was to keep my car plugged in when ever I was not using it at home and that would reduce the phantom drain issues. This sounds crazy to me since I have had 4 Teslas that might lose a mile or two a night unplugged.

Off topic. I haven't been tracking the lose lately as it is back in the shop because the battery died two days ago as I was pulling out of a parking space in a shopping center, blocking traffic until customer support helped me out. The batter was 67% charged at the time. I got the red batter icon. Did you know, unlike a Tesla, you can't do a hard or soft reboot while in the car? You have to actually leave the car and be far enough away that it goes into sleep mode. As if that is not crazy enough and dangerous. It will not reboot if the hazard lights are on. I had to call support twice to try to figure out wtf was going on. So I was sticking halfway into a driving lane for 20 minutes and had to keep leaving my car so it could reboot only to find that it wouldn't the first two time until I mentioned that I had the hazards on. It did work the 3rd time when I stepped away from my car, blocking traffic, with no hazards on. Once rebooted I was able to drive home.

Use the turn signal reboot instead since you can do it inside the car.

1) open door
2) turn on turn signal
3) close door
4) lock car
5) sit in car until signal turns off
6) car is rebooted
7) unlock car
8) open door
9) close door like normal

 

[changenow]

Use the turn signal reboot instead since you can do it inside the car.

1) open door
2) turn on turn signal
3) close door
4) lock car
5) sit in car until signal turns off
6) car is rebooted
7) unlock car
8) open door
9) close door like normal

That’s great to know. Thanks. You would think that Customer Care would have been able to suggest that as opposed to telling me leave the car for it to go into sleep mode.

 

[Hcuellar77]

Great info, did you start the trip at 100% charge? Also, Dream R/P or GT?

I started from home at 100% but went o work first, about a 20mi drive then from work I started road trip, from work it was around 98% full I think. But the mileage read is from last charge so is accounting for the home-work trip.
This is a GT.

 

[digiboxer]

Use the turn signal reboot instead since you can do it inside the car.

1) open door
2) turn on turn signal
3) close door
4) lock car
5) sit in car until signal turns off
6) car is rebooted
7) unlock car
8) open door
9) close door like normal

This has to be a joke, right? Like a Lucid review in The Onion?

 

[Bunnylebowski]

For reference out of spec motoring just did a 70mph range test in a brand new Tesla Model 3 performance on range wheels. They got 280 miles under ideal conditions (EPA is 315)…except part way into the test the adaptive cruise control failed completely and wouldn’t reset, and then on the return portion of the trip the lane keep assist quit working. And Teslas never come close to 70mph range test results under normal driving conditions so you’re looking at real world range of about 240 miles. So you could buy two Model 3 performances (without $12k full self driving) for the cost of one Air GT that will get you close to the range of two Model 3 performances combined but is a much cooler faster better looking more comfortable better built roomier faster charging more features laden car, and Tesla has been been building cars for 10 years and Lucid has been for 7 months. Does my maths check out??

 

[Bunnylebowski]

When the battery cut out I was trying to put the car into reverse from forward and it would not change but then the car started rolling backwards as if it was in neutral mode. It would not respond to the acceleration pedal so I immediately put it into park. Once in park I could not get any further responses from the pedals and the gear shift.

Wow that sucks. Any more problems since doing the reset? I’m assuming they took it in to check it out?

 

[changenow]

Wow that sucks. Any more problems since doing the reset? I’m assuming they took it in to check it out?

I was able to drive it 1 mile an home just fine and they towed it to the shop and it’s been there since Friday. The only upside is they gave me a Tesla model Y with 36 miles on it as a loaner.

 

[Bunnylebowski]

I was able to drive it 1 mile an home just fine and they towed it to the shop and it’s been there since Friday. The only upside is they gave me a Tesla model Y with 36 miles on it as a loaner.

Vast improvement over the 2018 BMW 320i from Hertz they got me that reeked of weed when I got in it. Luckily turnaround was 1 day, but I did have a cop behind me on the way to work, and had I gotten pulled over there’s a 100% chance he would have noticed the weed smell and then annoyances would ensue.