How about 81 cents a kWh?

[RCP]

Just took delivery of my Air Touring and love it. My other car is a Tesla, and its software allows the scheduling of home charging at hours of lowest rates and also has a setting that keeps the car doors unlocked when parked in my garage at home. I've searched the threads on this forum, and it seems that the Lucid software does not yet allow either of these features. Is that right? These are helpful features and I hope Lucid will add them in the next software update.

 

[joec]

Just took delivery of my Air Touring and love it. My other car is a Tesla, and its software allows the scheduling of home charging at hours of lowest rates and also has a setting that keeps the car doors unlocked when parked in my garage at home. I've searched the threads on this forum, and it seems that the Lucid software does not yet allow either of these features. Is that right? These are helpful features and I hope Lucid will add them in the next software update.

This is accurate. I too hope both of these features are on the short list. Never hurts to reach out to customer care (the email and phone number are in the app) and let them know officially. The more of us ask, the higher the priority, hopefully.

 

[DJL]

Welcome to San Diego, home of the most expensive electric rates in the country, and SDG&E has a fantastic New Year’s day present for you tomorrow! The peak rates are now going to be 81.6 cents per kWh. If Lucid was a gas car getting and EPA range 46 miles per gallon, a very efficient car, it would use the 10 kWh to go that 46 miles or the equivalent of $8.16 cents a gallon for the fuel.

Perhaps we can look at it another way. The average price for gas today is $4.37. That would buy you 5.3 kWh of power and enable you to go 20 miles if you get the EPA range.

Whoa! What is going on with PGE and San Diego? That is totally crazy. We are at $0.087 a kW here up in Blaine, WA. I guess they are try to push everyone to solar? Is that the reason? Or are there too many people in San Diego Co and they need to raise money to increase the infastructure? Or is there some other reason?

 

[nevadagame]

Wow that's interesting and depressing. I haven't checked PG&E yet regarding 1/1/23 rates. My current peak rate is $.42/kwh which I thought was too expensive.

Wow. Here in Boulder co my rate is .11 per kh

 

[PAbuilt]

Whoa! What is going on with PGE and San Diego? That is totally crazy. We are at $0.087 a kW here up in Blaine, WA. I guess they are try to push everyone to solar? Is that the reason? Or are there too many people in San Diego Co and they need to raise money to increase the infastructure? Or is there some other reason?

Lots of complicated issues here in Southern CA but I can tell you the electric company is not trying to push anyone to solar. They have been trying to get regulators to allow extra charge rates to all solar users but so far that has not passed. We have a lot of power from existing solar during the day. So far regulators have held the line on that proposal and seem to be (as I personally think they should) focused on encouraging load shifting with battery use.

 

[SaratogaLefty]

Get solar. I did.

I've had solar for the last 6 years and my electricity bill is zero. But once the free EA runs out my current solar most likely won't keep up. I'm hoping the cost of additional panels will continue to drop over the next couple of years and then I will probably add more capacity. Or as you said, if the V2H becomes functional then perhaps I will also use the car to send power back to PG&E at Peak rates.

 

[Tesla2.0]

Whoa! What is going on with PGE and San Diego? That is totally crazy. We are at $0.087 a kW here up in Blaine, WA. I guess they are try to push everyone to solar? Is that the reason? Or are there too many people in San Diego Co and they need to raise money to increase the infastructure? Or is there some other reason?

Mega-drought in southwest of country as of climate change. It’s supply and demand. Southern California is overpopulated and not enough power generation and rely on import of other state’s power which incur higher transmission charge and driving up wholesale price. Hoover Dam is at 33% lowered production in 2022 and produce less and less each year doesn’t really help in supply. California just needs more power generation like Texas.

 

[thecodingart]

FPL Evolution was charging $0.30/kWh and I’d consider that absurdly expensive. Charging an EV right now without promotions and away from home is hands down more expensive than gas.

I believe my Duke energy rates are around $0.10/kWh which is also expensive, but literally 1/3rd the price to charge at home.

 

[Tim-in-CA]

FPL Evolution was charging $0.30/kWh and I’d consider that absurdly expensive. Charging an EV right now without promotions and away from home is hands down more expensive than gas.

I believe my Duke energy rates are around $0.10/kWh which is also expensive, but literally 1/3rd the price to charge at home.

.10/kWh is super cheap!

 

[BobFM]

I think our electric rates are around $0.12/kWh all-in (Austin Energy). Depends on what tier you end up in, but they are all fixed prices at the moment based on usage. There is no time-based pricing yet, though they've said they may switch to that at some point. Definitely different than other parts of country, to be sure. Would definitely install solar if I lived somewhere where electric rates were that high!

@Tesla2.0, what's interesting is that a lot of people don't know that Texas has a crazy amount of wind generation. Last I looked it's like 30-40% (or more) of total generation according to Ercot! Totally agree that CA needs to invest more in production.

Regarding the comparison to charging being more expensive than gas, not sure that's true across the entire country (but very well could be in parts of CA, IL, NY, etc.) for a couple reasons. #1 - a decent number of competitor cars like Mercedes require higher octane fuel which is significantly more expensive than regular unleaded. I'd be hard pressed to say that a Mercedes S-class (or similar) is cheaper to fuel up than it is to charge a Lucid (or any EV for that matter). While I loved my wife's GLS, filling that tank when premium was over $4 or $5 wasn't fun. Also, assuming the $0.30/kWh for fast charging, if you had to charge 100 kWh (~90% of GT battery), that's still only $30. Or if you compare to the full $81.60 using the $0.81/kWh pricing above, filling a comparable car with a 21 gallon tank which requires premium unleaded (like a Mercedes) would cost over $100 based on $4.75-5/gallon. Premium gas is lower than that here in Austin at the moment, but so are the fast charging rates, which AE charges $0.21 per minute, or $25 every 6 months for unlimited level 2 charging around the city...

All depends on where electric charging rates/gas prices are in your area. Hard to make a blanket statement...

 

[Tesla2.0]

I think our electric rates are around $0.12/kWh all-in (Austin Energy). Depends on what tier you end up in, but they are all fixed prices at the moment based on usage. There is no time-based pricing yet, though they've said they may switch to that at some point.

Because Texas has abundant energy and not having rolling blackout to conserve during peak time as some states.

Definitely different than other parts of country, to be sure. Would definitely install solar if I lived somewhere where electric rates were that high!

Yes, sometimes it doesn’t make sense to have solar or EV in Texas, but it’s the most responsible thing to do if you are financially capable, and Solar will offset back cost long term.

@Tesla2.0, what's interesting is that a lot of people don't know that Texas has a crazy amount of wind generation. Last I looked it's like 30-40% (or more) of total generation according to Ercot! Totally agree that CA needs to invest more in production.

West Texas and North Texas to Oklahoma have abundant wind can be harvested. So much wind, sometimes they become tornados.

Regarding the comparison to charging being more expensive than gas, not sure that's true across the entire country (but very well could be in parts of CA, IL, NY, etc.) for a couple reasons. #1 - a decent number of competitor cars like Mercedes require higher octane fuel which is significantly more expensive than regular unleaded. I'd be hard pressed to say that a Mercedes S-class (or similar) is cheaper to fuel up than it is to charge a Lucid (or any EV for that matter). While I loved my wife's GLS, filling that tank when premium was over $4 or $5 wasn't fun. Also, assuming the $0.30/kWh for fast charging, if you had to charge 100 kWh (~90% of GT battery), that's still only $30. Or if you compare to the full $81.60 using the $0.81/kWh pricing above, filling a comparable car with a 21 gallon tank which requires premium unleaded (like a Mercedes) would cost over $100 based on $4.75-5/gallon. Premium gas is lower than that here in Austin at the moment, but so are the fast charging rates, which AE charges $0.21 per minute, or $25 every 6 months for unlimited level 2 charging around the city...

When I’m not driving Air, I drive F-250 super diesel. You fail to mention diesel is more expensive than super unleaded in the states. My lifted F250 runs 14 miles/gal, tonight I just filled up seeing price dropped to $3.99/gal for the for first time. It was $116 fill up for me, normally diesel is $5+/gal.

All depends on where electric charging rates/gas prices are in your area. Hard to make a blanket statement...

San Diego I believe has highest electric rate 51c~81c/kW, I just don’t know how ordinary Joe survive there, and I thought Hawaii 39c/kW was expensive…

 

[BobFM]

Because Texas has abundant energy and not having rolling blackout to conserve during peak time as some states.

Yes, sometimes it doesn’t make sense to have solar or EV in Texas, but it’s the most responsible thing to do if you are financially capable, and Solar will offset back cost long term.

West Texas and North Texas to Oklahoma have abundant wind can be harvested. So much wind, sometimes they become tornados.

When I’m not driving Air, I drive F-250 super diesel. You fail to mention diesel is more expensive than super unleaded in the states. My lifted F250 runs 14 miles/gal, tonight I just filled up seeing price dropped to $3.99/gal for the for first time. It was $116 fill up for me, normally diesel is $5+/gal.

San Diego I believe has highest electric rate 51c~81c/kW, I just don’t know how ordinary Joe survive there, and I thought Hawaii 39c/kW was expensive…

All great points, especially about diesel! Great input as always, @Tesla2.0

 

[Boomer AZ]

My rate with APS in northern AZ is 2.6 cents/kWh from 10AM to 3PM. They buy my Solar at 10.6 cents/kWh. On cloudy days, I charge 10AM-3PM. From 7PM to 10AM I pay 5.6 cents kWh. These are winter rates.

 

[JillyBean]

I’m in Phoenix also. I pay about $600 a month to cool my house in summer. I cannot imagine the SD rates. Who is your electric company? I have SRP.

Ditto
Summer months 2 ac units temp set 78 pool in yard
Bill range $650-800

 

[JJ0087]

That is so wild on west coast energy rates. GA Power has an EV program that has rates for super off peak (11pm - 7am) for $0.01/Kw, full charge for ~$1.

 

[Bobby]

That is so wild on west coast energy rates. GA Power has an EV program that has rates for super off peak (11pm - 7am) for $0.01/Kw, full charge for ~$1.

Here in San Diego, our electric utility is not really a utility. It is a private company. With a profit motive. And a monopoly.

 

[Tim-in-CA]

Here in San Diego, our electric utility is not really a utility. It is a private company. With a profit motive. And a monopoly.

Pretty much the same for all California. SCE price goes up and up. They are vying to be the new OPEC.

 

[Sandvinsd]

FPL Evolution was charging $0.30/kWh and I’d consider that absurdly expensive. Charging an EV right now without promotions and away from home is hands down more expensive than gas.

I believe my Duke energy rates are around $0.10/kWh which is also expensive, but literally 1/3rd the price to charge at home.

I would charge at 10 cents. It’s much cheaper than at home super off-peak In San Diego!