Gravity Orders Discussion

[Knucklehead]

Well, if you want a car that falls apart, yes they deliver on that. Lucid is in a different market and doesn't have the luxury of releasing half baked products.

Realistically, the new Model Y is going to dominate the market. Just like the old one did. It is the smart choice for anyone who wants to go electric. Is the Gravity nicer? Absolutely. But $60k nicer?

I actually considered it because financially it is the smart decision. But I want a Gravity. (Or a Rivian.) And I can afford one. But really, the new Y is everything I need. So many people will get one because they come to the same conclusion. (And the self driving is off the charts great. Nobody matches that at any price point.)

You obviously hate Tesla, but most people are more pragmatic and will buy the car that fits their needs best. So unfortunately Lucid and Rivian are at a serious disadvantage - if you take the irrational emotions out of it.

 

[borski]

Oh at this point I wouldn’t put it past them to say dark clouds or some scary crows flying over AMP-1 are holding up deliveries. Regardless, It will no doubt be everyone else’s fault except Lucid’s.

Dementors. They’re sucking everyone’s soul.

 

[borski]

Thank you! I need to brush up on my calendar skills.

I recommend computers for that

 

[borski]

Realistically, the new Model Y is going to dominate the market. Just like the old one did. It is the smart choice for anyone who wants to go electric. Is the Gravity nicer? Absolutely. But $60k nicer?

No chance. I’d much rather get an Ioniq 5 or EV6 in that price range.

I actually considered it because financially it is the smart decision. But I want a Gravity. (Or a Rivian.) And I can afford one. But really, the new Y is everything I need. So many people will get one because they come to the same conclusion. (And the self driving is off the charts great. Nobody matches that at any price point.)

There are plenty of better options than the Y. I do not think it will sell like hotcakes.

You obviously hate Tesla, but most people are more pragmatic and will buy the car that fits their needs best. So unfortunately Lucid and Rivian are at a serious disadvantage - if you take the irrational emotions out of it.

I don’t hate Tesla. I actually love Tesla. That’s why it pains me to see them headless and completely devoid of any serious market-moving innovation over more than a decade.

I want Tesla to kick ass. I really do. I want all of these American EV companies to kick ass.

I just wish Tesla was; that’s all. And because it isn’t, Hyundai/Kia and similar is going to eat Tesla’s lunch, *especially* in Europe.

 

[Knucklehead]

No chance. I’d much rather get an Ioniq 5 or EV6 in that price range.


There are plenty of better options than the Y. I do not think it will sell like hotcakes.


I don’t hate Tesla. I actually love Tesla. That’s why it pains me to see them headless and completely devoid of any serious market-moving innovation over more than a decade.

I want Tesla to kick ass. I really do. I want all of these American EV companies to kick ass.

I just wish Tesla was; that’s all. And because it isn’t, Hyundai/Kia and similar is going to eat Tesla’s lunch, *especially* in Europe.

People who have the full self driving are raving about it.

You can get a new Y with full self driving for $60k. Great range and the absolute best charging network. The old Y was not very attractive but to me the new Y looks so much better. They fit 3 rows in the old Y and I expect they will in the new one as well. (Tow hitch is standard equipment. Not a big deal to some, but exactly what I want.)

IMO it is a huge improvement over the old model, which I believe was the best selling car in the world?

Anyway, you could be right. The competition is very good.

 

[joec]

People who have the full self driving are raving about it.

You can get a new Y with full self driving for $60k. Great range and the absolute best charging network. The old Y was not very attractive but to me the new Y looks so much better. They fit 3 rows in the old Y and I expect they will in the new one as well. (Tow hitch is standard equipment. Not a big deal to some, but exactly what I want.)

IMO it is a huge improvement over the old model, which I believe was the best selling car in the world?

Anyway, you could be right. The competition is very good.

The Y has always been the ugliest Tesla. The new refresh doesn’t help. The headlights getting smaller just enhances the fact the car is vertically stretched in an unpleasant way. Proportions are still all out of whack. And it’s their worst handling car as well.

But it is their best seller, because the price and the form factor are what people want.

There’s so much more competition now and coming soon. I would not bet on a modest redesign moving the needle much on sales. It’ll do fine. Don’t get me wrong. I just don’t see it taking the world by storm.

 

[Quimby]

We are about to start the 3rd month of 2025 & 4 months into the expected beginning of the Gravity delivery. There seems to be no Gravities in the Studios for test driving yet so what is actually happening? Has anyone in fact received a Gravity?

 

[thelucidguy]

I've been keeping an eye on Lucid Gravity for a while but it's been 81 days since production began and only 9 has been delivered? Am not sure how serious this company is. Looks like I'll have to go with Model X against my wishes now because it's unlikely I'll be able to get the car if I ordered this year.

 

[DeaneG]

I recommend computers for that

Then I'd better brush up on my computer skills

 

[DeaneG]

We are about to start the 3rd month of 2025 & 4 months into the expected beginning of the Gravity delivery. There seems to be no Gravities in the Studios for test driving yet so what is actually happening? Has anyone in fact received a Gravity?

Yeah, here we are talking about the Model Y in a Gravity forum. It's slow.
So how is the weather where you live? Looks like a cloudy day here, but I can't complain.

My Model Y opinion: if I was in my mid-30's and I was preoccupied with a young family and my job, and it was my first EV, I'd buy one without hesitating. In different circumstances, I'd look further.

 

[mnat]

Yeah, here we are talking about the Model Y in a Gravity forum. It's slow.
So how is the weather where you live? Looks like a cloudy day here, but I can't complain.

My Model Y opinion: if I was in my mid-30's and I was preoccupied with a young family and my job, and it was my first EV, I'd buy one without hesitating. In different circumstances, I'd look further.

You almost perfectly describe my situation (other than first time EV)!

I've had multiple Teslas, multiple Airs, an EQS SUV, Q8 E-tron, and Rivian so far. I was dead set on a Gravity, but the window is closing for me as I need to replace a vehicle by summer. As much as I want a Gravity, the improvements in the Model Y should've improved many of my original gripes about it. And when the non-launch edition comes out at ~$45k, it's almost too hard to resist as a reliable second vehicle.

The other issue for me in Wisconsin is you can't lease a Lucid (or Rivian or Tesla), which makes it really hard to pay cash for a $110k+ EV. I'm very jealous of everyone that can lease them, because that takes out a lot of the depreciation risk.

 

[hmp10]

I've had multiple Teslas, multiple Airs, an EQS SUV, Q8 E-tron, and Rivian so far . . . .

The other issue for me in Wisconsin is you can't lease a Lucid (or Rivian or Tesla), which makes it really hard to pay cash for a $110k+ EV.

You've had a wide array of some of the most expensive EVs on the market inside a few short years, but you can't handle a $110k purchase price?

 

[illopp00]

Come on man, give them a break. Think its easy getting out a new car. Maybe they have some software issues they need to adress. Or a supplier quality issue. Imagine if they released a troubled product...company goes bankrupt. Do you want them to do that? Look at how many other manufacturers had a delivery delay. December delivery was to appease the investors, nothing wrong in that. They have to play to both parties, customers and investors.

I wish people would stop constantly complaining about gravity delays. Do you want a half baked product with issues? I bet no one does. So just let Lucid do it's job. Life isn't perfect, I would think most people realized that by now.

The more I think about it, the more it's potentially leading to some sort of bug to work out in the manufacturing line process. They added a much higher level of automation for Gravity compared to Air.

 

[momo3605]

You've had a wide array of some of the most expensive EVs on the market inside a few short years, but you can't handle a $110k purchase price?

You can lease those all for cheap. Buying a 6 figure EV isn’t a great move in this economy unless your net worth is high enough that lighting $100k on fire doesn’t affect you. Certainly there are some that can do that, and I’m definitely jealous of being able to do that too!

 

[mnat]

You've had a wide array of some of the most expensive EVs on the market inside a few short years, but you can't handle a $110k purchase price?

Interesting thought process. I started with an early Model S 9 years ago. Through the COVID era, I was able to try a lot of options and get out of most of them without losing much (or anything at all). As others have said, that’s definitely not the case anymore.

 

[PetevB]

People who have the full self driving are raving about it.

I don’t love it, in fact I’m here to caution people re FSD. On the one hand yes, it’s the best system on the market by far. On the other I think it’s going to end up getting more than a few people killed. My wife has a Y and we’ve got a FSD trial through April…

In the course of 10 miles using the most current FSD on surface streets it committed two moving violations and risked someone’s life: one right turn on red with a no-turn on red arrow lit, one straight through an intersection from a turn lane, and it completely missed a man with a hat gardening crouched down on our narrow one lane road, mistaking him for a bush probably, and it was going to drive close enough to clip him if I hadn’t taken over (who know what would have happened if he’d stepped back).

The good news is that these issues made it very clear to me that I can’t trust it, hence I either don’t use it or watch it like a hawk. But here’s the thing: it will get better, and these issues will get fewer and farther between. And then more people will trust it, but serious issues will remain, they’ll just be rare enough to lull people into false confidence.

I put over 80k miles on my previous 2018 Model 3. I didn’t have FSD and had the systems off (so I thought) yet it still almost killed me. Early morning, construction on the side of a 2 lane highway, shadows on the road and no lane lines. The car got confused by one of those shadows and activated “lane departure” where it grabs the wheel. It swerved right, nearly putting me under the flat bed 18 wheeler that I was feet from… When it did this there was zero way to contact Tesla and report the issue- I literally filed a complaint with the NTSB because I couldn’t tell Tesla.

I have no doubt that one day self driving cars will be safer drivers than all of us. This period we’re going through now, however, is going to be a tough transition. I’ve got hundreds of miles on the latest FSD at this point, but there’s zero chance I’d pay for it and many situations I won’t use it for lack of trust.

BTW I probably slightly preferred our Ioniq 5- drove more authentically especially at the limit. My wife slightly prefers the Tesla, though neither is in the same league as our E-tron GT. But all are too small, so it’s a Gravity if and when they get their act together (without and of the drivers assistance options).

 

[borski]

You can lease those all for cheap. Buying a 6 figure EV isn’t a great move in this economy unless your net worth is high enough that lighting $100k on fire doesn’t affect you. Certainly there are some that can do that, and I’m definitely jealous of being able to do that too!

Fair point.

 

[Ughwhy]

I don’t love it, in fact I’m here to caution people re FSD. On the one hand yes, it’s the best system on the market by far. On the other I think it’s going to end up getting more than a few people killed. My wife has a Y and we’ve got a FSD trial through April…

In the course of 10 miles using the most current FSD on surface streets it committed two moving violations and risked someone’s life: one right turn on red with a no-turn on red arrow lit, one straight through an intersection from a turn lane, and it completely missed a man with a hat gardening crouched down on our narrow one lane road, mistaking him for a bush probably, and it was going to drive close enough to clip him if I hadn’t taken over (who know what would have happened if he’d stepped back).

The good news is that these issues made it very clear to me that I can’t trust it, hence I either don’t use it or watch it like a hawk. But here’s the thing: it will get better, and these issues will get fewer and farther between. And then more people will trust it, but serious issues will remain, they’ll just be rare enough to lull people into false confidence.

I put over 80k miles on my previous 2018 Model 3. I didn’t have FSD and had the systems off (so I thought) yet it still almost killed me. Early morning, construction on the side of a 2 lane highway, shadows on the road and no lane lines. The car got confused by one of those shadows and activated “lane departure” where it grabs the wheel. It swerved right, nearly putting me under the flat bed 18 wheeler that I was feet from… When it did this there was zero way to contact Tesla and report the issue- I literally filed a complaint with the NTSB because I couldn’t tell Tesla.

I have no doubt that one day self driving cars will be safer drivers than all of us. This period we’re going through now, however, is going to be a tough transition. I’ve got hundreds of miles on the latest FSD at this point, but there’s zero chance I’d pay for it and many situations I won’t use it for lack of trust.

BTW I probably slightly preferred our Ioniq 5- drove more authentically especially at the limit. My wife slightly prefers the Tesla, though neither is in the same league as our E-tron GT. But all are too small, so it’s a Gravity if and when they get their act together (without and of the drivers assistance options).

In the Phoenix metro area we have a lot of Waymo self driving cars. When one of them is next to me and I look at all the spinning radars and lidars and sonars and other sensors all over the exterior of those electric Jaguars, I wonder how it is that Tesla can supposedly accomplish essentially the same task with so many fewer sensors? Is it a case of Tesla's FSD sensors being better and smaller and less visible? Or is it a case of Tesla not needing to care as much since Tesla's FSD only operates if there is a human driver behind the wheel, as opposed to Waymo where there literally are times the Waymos don't have a human inside, much less driving?

Either way, I can't help but thinking that the more people get used to FSD, the less "human supervision" a Tesla with FSD is actually receiving (i.e. the "driver" is watching Instagram videos instead of supervising), and therefore the closer the Tesla gets to being expected to accomplish Waymo-level tasks without the Waymo-level sensors. I find that worrying.

 

[chazglenn3]

Tesla relies solely on cameras for their FSD. They removed the ultrasonic sensors and radars a few years back. It is all now based on "Tesla Vision"...scary

 

[HC_79]

Let's get the thread topic back on track