Gravity Orders Discussion

[HC_79]

In case this clears up things for anyone, I did email lucid about my gravity order and they did tell me that they will not be leasing right now and also if you live in New York like I do you can not finance through lucid and must finance through a third party or pay in full

@nicktwork said leasing would be available day 1 so either something has changed or once again you can’t trust the information coming from the Lucid Sales team / Customer Care

 

[HC_79]

In case this clears up things for anyone, I did email lucid about my gravity order and they did tell me that they will not be leasing right now and also if you live in New York like I do you can not finance through lucid and must finance through a third party or pay in full

 

[tonykerf1]

View attachment 25603This is what they said to me

 

[PS~L]

Looks like 9 real ones and 2 speedforms is how they are counting it

Aaah... as in 9 planets...; including Pluto despite it being "...reclassified Pluto as a dwarf planet.", but nonetheless a planet!!

 

[hmp10]

@nicktwork said leasing would be available day 1 so either something has changed or once again you can’t trust the information coming from the Lucid Sales team / Customer Care

I don't think the message from the Lucid Sales person and the post from Nick Twork are inconsistent.

From Sales Team:

From Twork:

First deliveries have already occurred, and there is no leasing program formally announced -- just a post from the Lucid Communications head that one is in the works.

 

[steveairgt]

I hope they provide more details about Air trade-in for more states. Such as Georgia.

 

[tonykerf1]

I also went today to finally see it in person in nyc, was much nicer in person and I’m blown away! It really doesn’t look like a minivan to me at all, maybe like a raised wagon, does anyone know if the early deliveries that went out had nacs or ccs, I’m wondering because the employee at lucid today told me that the delay has been the nacs licensing issue

 

[Adnillien]

I also went today to finally see it in person in nyc, was much nicer in person and I’m blown away! It really doesn’t look like a minivan to me at all, maybe like a raised wagon, does anyone know if the early deliveries that went out had nacs or ccs, I’m wondering because the employee at lucid today told me that the delay has been the nacs licensing issue

The early deliveries were all NACS as will be all North American cars.

 

[HC_79]

I also went today to finally see it in person in nyc, was much nicer in person and I’m blown away! It really doesn’t look like a minivan to me at all, maybe like a raised wagon, does anyone know if the early deliveries that went out had nacs or ccs, I’m wondering because the employee at lucid today told me that the delay has been the nacs licensing issue

The inconsistencies that come out of Lucid employees mouths is laughable at this point. It’s got nothing to do with NACS licensing as the cars delivered over the weekend shipped with NACS and a NACS/CCS adaptor was provided apparently.

Access to the Supercharger network is coming soon but it’s certainly not holding up the delivery of Gravity.

 

[tonykerf1]

The inconsistencies that come out of Lucid employees mouths is laughable at this point. It’s got nothing to do with NACS licensing as the cars delivered over the weekend shipped with NACS and a NACS/CCS adaptor was provided apparently.

Access to the Supercharger network is coming soon but it’s certainly not holding up the delivery of Gravity.

Yes I was actually worried about that, I’m glad this won’t hold it up, I can’t wait to get my hands on this!

 

[Blue Lectroid]

The inconsistencies that come out of Lucid employees mouths is laughable at this point. It’s got nothing to do with NACS licensing as the cars delivered over the weekend shipped with NACS and a NACS/CCS adaptor was provided apparently.

Access to the Supercharger network is coming soon but it’s certainly not holding up the delivery of Gravity.

How are you so certain of that? They delivered 9 cars. Perhaps these were delivered specifically to customers who KNEW that the licensing was not yet done with Tesla and so they’d need to deal with that (perhaps through Level 2 home chargers) until licensing is complete in relatively short order?

 

[HC_79]

Yes I was actually worried about that, I’m glad this won’t hold it up, I can’t wait to get my hands on this!

As with many of us.

 

[hmp10]

. . . the employee at lucid today told me that the delay has been the nacs licensing issue

The inconsistencies that come out of Lucid employees mouths is laughable at this point. It’s got nothing to do with NACS licensing as the cars delivered over the weekend shipped with NACS and a NACS/CCS adaptor was provided apparently.

Access to the Supercharger network is coming soon but it’s certainly not holding up the delivery of Gravity.

Again, I'm not so sure there is an inconsistency here. If you remember, I posted a link a while back to an "InsideEVs" article in which Eric Bach, Lucid's Chief Technical Officer, was reported as saying Gravities would not be delivered before the Supercharger network opened up.

Yes, nine Gravities were delivered to "employees, family, and friends" right at year end in order for Lucid to say they began deliveries in 2024. But we have been told by posters on this forum who attended the event that those deliveries were made under an information embargo, and we have no idea why or what those recipients are prohibited from reporting about their cars right now. (Being supplied an adapter speaks only to Level 2 charging. No adapter will be needed to plug the Gravity into a Supercharger.)

Another thing we know is that none of the people who have reported on this forum placing orders -- some almost two months ago -- have been given any firm indication as to when they might expect delivery. My delivery advisor said he was hearing that it might be the March time frame for earliest deliveries to the general customer base. That's interesting, because a forum moderator who was at the event reported a conversation with a Lucid executive suggesting that the Supercharger access deal would be finalized in February. If that's correct, that would line up with what @tonykerf1 was told about delivery timing being somehow linked to Supercharger access, as well as lining up with Bach's comment.

I'm not certain about this . . . but I'm also not certain that all the inconsistencies you are finding in what @tonykerf1 was told are actually there.

Lucid only scored a technical point with those nine deliveries this week which, as far as we know, might not have all features yet functioning. For the general customer base, the reality is that deliveries have not started, and we really have no idea when they will. Likewise, we have no real information on what the reason is that general deliveries have not yet been scheduled, including no information that the Supercharger network is "certainly not holding up the delivery of the Gravity."

 

[hmp10]

Correction to my above post:

I forgot the adapters the recipients were reportedly given were for connecting a Level 3 CCS cable to the NACS port on the Gravity. My bad.

 

[hydbob]

Again, I'm not so sure there is an inconsistency here. If you remember, I posted a link a while back to an "InsideEVs" article in which Eric Bach, Lucid's Chief Technical Officer, was reported as saying Gravities would not be delivered before the Supercharger network opened up.

Yes, nine Gravities were delivered to "employees, family, and friends" right at year end in order for Lucid to say they began deliveries in 2024. But we have been told by posters on this forum who attended the event that those deliveries were made under an information embargo, and we have no idea why or what those recipients are prohibited from reporting about their cars right now. (Being supplied an adapter speaks only to Level 2 charging. No adapter will be needed to plug the Gravity into a Supercharger.)

Another thing we know is that none of the people who have reported on this forum placing orders -- some almost two months ago -- have been given any firm indication as to when they might expect delivery. My delivery advisor said he was hearing that it might be the March time frame for earliest deliveries to the general customer base. That's interesting, because a forum moderator who was at the event reported a conversation with a Lucid executive suggesting that the Supercharger access deal would be finalized in February. If that's correct, that would line up with what @tonykerf1 was told about delivery timing being somehow linked to Supercharger access, as well as lining up with Bach's comment.

I'm not certain about this . . . but I'm also not certain that all the inconsistencies you are finding in what @tonykerf1 was told are actually there.

Lucid only scored a technical point with those nine deliveries this week which, as far as we know, might not have all features yet functioning. For the general customer base, the reality is that deliveries have not started, and we really have no idea when they will. Likewise, we have no real information on what the reason is that general deliveries have not yet been scheduled, including no information that the Supercharger network is "certainly not holding up the delivery of the Gravity."

If the delay is from not having access to the SC network yet, I'd say that it's the fault of all the people clamoring for NACS to be a standard port and letting 1 company have all the control over that charging network. So if that's the reason, it makes perfect sense, otherwise, the flip side would be, why Lucid was stupid for not switching to NACS and keeping CCS ports on the Gravity. I remember plenty of people applauding Lucid for switching to NACS on the Gravity without realizing how much delay it would cause in the deliveries of the vehicles. If it's true that SC access will be granted by February, that's already a win because wasn't access originally slated for later 2025?

 

[flarbear]

If the delay is from not having access to the SC network yet, I'd say that it's the fault of all the people clamoring for NACS to be a standard port and letting 1 company have all the control over that charging network.

No one company has control over the NACS charging network, NACS is an independent standard already being supported by other networks.

The only thing that Tesla has control over at this point is which other cars they will allow to charge on their own stations. But, since other networks are already supporting NACS natively, and since a simple adapter allows any NACS car to charge on the CCS networks, there is no loss of control here.

Even if Tesla removed all support for other cars from their network, a NACS socket is still the winning choice here as the other networks switch to that plug over time.

But they won't, they can make a lot of money allowing other cars to charge on their network which makes NACS an immediate benefit not counting the forward-looking advantages.

So if that's the reason, it makes perfect sense, otherwise, the flip side would be, why Lucid was stupid for not switching to NACS and keeping CCS ports on the Gravity. I remember plenty of people applauding Lucid for switching to NACS on the Gravity without realizing how much delay it would cause in the deliveries of the vehicles.

There is absolutely no reason for Lucid to hold up delivery of these vehicles over an agreement with Tesla. Even if Tesla didn't exist, the NACS port is the way to go. Access to the Tesla network is completely icing on the cake and not something to hold deliveries over.

 

[hydbob]

No one company has control over the NACS charging network, NACS is an independent standard already being supported by other networks.

The only thing that Tesla has control over at this point is which other cars they will allow to charge on their own stations. But, since other networks are already supporting NACS natively, and since a simple adapter allows any NACS car to charge on the CCS networks, there is no loss of control here.

Even if Tesla removed all support for other cars from their network, a NACS socket is still the winning choice here as the other networks switch to that plug over time.

But they won't, they can make a lot of money allowing other cars to charge on their network which makes NACS an immediate benefit not counting the forward-looking advantages.



There is absolutely no reason for Lucid to hold up delivery of these vehicles over an agreement with Tesla. Even if Tesla didn't exist, the NACS port is the way to go. Access to the Tesla network is completely icing on the cake and not something to hold deliveries over.

Yes and no. There is no adapter currently available that will do the high voltage charging from CCS to NACS. While technically true that no one company controls NACS charging, the reality is that Tesla does and only now are other charging companies putting NACS plugs on their chargers.

 

[flarbear]

Yes and no. There is no adapter currently available that will do the high voltage charging from CCS to NACS.

There are several on the market. How high voltage would the Gravity need? Also note that the Gravity has a charging system designed to deal with the voltages available from a Tesla supercharger so limitations for the Air vehicles may not restrict the choices here.

While technically true that no one company controls NACS charging, the reality is that Tesla does and only now are other charging companies putting NACS plugs on their chargers.

Tesla does not. SAE does. Tesla developed the technology and has a lead on providing NACS compatible chargers, but that doesn't put them in control of the standard.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

If the delay is from not having access to the SC network yet, I'd say that it's the fault of all the people clamoring for NACS to be a standard port and letting 1 company have all the control over that charging network. So if that's the reason, it makes perfect sense, otherwise, the flip side would be, why Lucid was stupid for not switching to NACS and keeping CCS ports on the Gravity. I remember plenty of people applauding Lucid for switching to NACS on the Gravity without realizing how much delay it would cause in the deliveries of the vehicles. If it's true that SC access will be granted by February, that's already a win because wasn't access originally slated for later 2025?

Business 101 (and this may be the first time I profoundly disagree with a significant decision Lucid has made)…NEVER give control of any vital part of your service offering to a competitor, ESPECIALLY when it is run by a lunatic!

The fact that Lucid (and all of the other majors) dropped CCS for NACS thereby forever making themselves reliant on a madman? I don’t get it at all.

 

[tonykerf1]

Remember when Elon posted this..