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200 miles in 15 minutes isn’t good? Give me a break!
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It all depends on the state right now.200miles/15min is good. The fact that that text appears on a web page isn't "good evidence that they've solved the voltage (on Tesla Superchargers) issue".
To be even more clear - people were wondering if the Gravity would be able to charge faster than 50kw on a Tesla Supercharger. I was pointing out that the same text appeared on 2 web pages which might mean that they support the full charging rate of the Superchargers, or it could be just a coincidence. They could be listing the rate they get on an EA CCS charger - they don't specify under which conditions they achieve that rate. Thus, the similarity of the text on those web pages doesn't make for good evidence on this matter, but it is a data point to consider.
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That's good to know! Wish they had that a few weeks earlier.
FWIW, I have been asking multiple sales reps at my local design center as well as Lucid inside sales about the 50kw max charging power issue on Superchargers. The inside sales people have thus far not even understood the problem, and my local reps all say they have not been told by engineering if they have this solved for Gravity yet.
Indeed. I didn't draw a distinction because there are so few V4s deployed so far. Many V4 dispensers, but almost all have V3 chargers. Other cars with 800v architectures have found workarounds for this, either using the motor-inverter in Kia's case, or splitting the pack (eg Chevy Silverado). Given we won't see V4 chargers widely deployed for quite some time (IMHO), I want to believe that Lucid will find a way around this problem. At 50kw max, the Supercharger is pretty useless for road trips.
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Yes. Teslas do it now.
I have a CCS-to-NACS adapter from Tesla for this and I have successfully charged at EA and EVGo stations using it. I plan to move it to Gravity unless Lucid has one of their own.
CCS and NACS (J3400) use the same protocol, ISO 15118, for vehicle-to-charger communication so there are technically no issues using a CCS DC fast charger with a NACS connector.
Check out Out-of-Spec Motoring on YouTube for a lot of road trip charging videos. It's definitely possible using CCS DC fast chargers, but still not quite as seamless as using the Supercharger network. It's constantly improving. I'm actually looking forward to road tripping with Gravity; my first EV road trip was in early 2013, so I enjoy the adventure
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This post referenced from Tesla Newswire on X (formerly Twitter) discusses Tesla's announcement of the V4 Supercharger with impressive specifications:
- **Power Output**: Up to 500 kW for cars, which translates to 1,300 miles per hour of charging for the Cybertruck.
- **For Tesla Semi**: Up to 1.2 MW.
- **Stall Efficiency**: 2X stalls per cabinet, suggesting a more compact design.
- **Power Density**: 3X power density compared to previous versions.
This advancement in Supercharger technology would significantly decrease charging times, making electric vehicle usage more convenient, especially for long-distance travel or for heavy-duty vehicles like the Tesla Semi. Here's a summary:
- **Charging Speed**: The V4 can provide up to 500 kW, which is considerably higher than the V3's 250 kW, allowing for much quicker charging sessions.
- **Versatility**: The ability to charge at such high rates means vehicles like the Cybertruck can gain substantial range in a very short amount of time.
- **Infrastructure**: Doubling the stalls per cabinet means more vehicles can charge simultaneously within the same footprint, increasing the efficiency of the charging station.
- **Energy Efficiency**: The threefold increase in power density likely refers to the amount of power that can be provided per unit volume or area of the charger, enhancing the overall efficiency of the charging network.
Given these details, Tesla continues to push the boundaries of what's possible with electric vehicle charging infrastructure, potentially setting a new standard for fast charging worldwide.
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Gravity will have increased charge rate on legacy superchargers. The previous limitation was a design decision for Air to support legacy CCS chargers that were 400v for which there wasn't that many so investing a lot to have that backward compatibility wasn't worth it.
With access to Supercharger network, the calculus changes. How much increase in potential rate is TBD, but it will be factored into the gravity wunderbox design.
I hope this is true! Can you tell us what the source of your information is?
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Thanks for divulging that - much appreciated. And yes, as an engineer (albeit not an EE) I knew it was nontrivial, hence my concern that it would be fully addressed. I'm glad to hear they are on top of this; being able to utilize the Supercharger network for (hopefully) 250kw charging, and potentially higher with V4, will be a huge advantage for Gravity.
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Just a small suggestion/ want. I realize lucid curated the interiors with a holistic feel for all the materials/ colors for each offering but I feel they should decouple the wood choice from the interior choice and leave that up to the customer. I would prefer to have walnut available with some of the other interior choices as it lightens up and gives a better contrast to some of the other interiors than the black wood . I’m probably going with the super nova bronze paired with the oija (sp) interior and think the walnut wood would look so much better with that combo. Thoughts?
I will say the announcement of increased 1000 V capability on the V4 cabinets last week really is encouraging to hear! The rollout timing will be telling especially as the Gravity becomes more available. I really look forward to the first time seeing the Gravity charge at full power on a V4 Supercharger site!
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I wonder when we’ll know officially how many Gravity orders have been made. It’s possible we won’t know till the next earnings call.
We all hope it’s a good number. If it’s not, that’s very bad news especially since Peter said the Gravity addresses a market 6 times larger than the Air.
We all hope it’s a good number. If it’s not, that’s very bad news especially since Peter said the Gravity addresses a market 6 times larger than the Air.
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I’m going to join the @hmp10 bamdwagon a little bit here. A post appeared online from someone who visited the Gravity in Boston over the weekend. Apparently, they asked the salesperson if the car would come with NACS, and the salesperson was unsure because they lacked access to the SC network. This lead the person posting online that the car won’t come with NACS when someone asked the question.
It’s a bit concerning that Lucid has confirmed that the car will have a native NACS port, yet the message hasn’t been communicated to the sales team. Sales staff and Customer Care should have been provided with a cheat sheet to answer questions on November 6th in preparation for orders opening on November 7th. If Lucid can charge $95K+ for a car and yet salespeople can’t provide basic answers, that’s quite poor, especially when trying to build upon your brand. It presents itself like the left hand isn’t talking to the right,
This behavior is more like a model announcement where things are still being ironed out than an actual model launch where things should be locked and loaded. Cars don’t necessarily have to be in stores. People can wait if they need to see the car before ordering. However, Lucid staff should be in a position to answer questions accurately when someone is ready to order.
It’s a bit concerning that Lucid has confirmed that the car will have a native NACS port, yet the message hasn’t been communicated to the sales team. Sales staff and Customer Care should have been provided with a cheat sheet to answer questions on November 6th in preparation for orders opening on November 7th. If Lucid can charge $95K+ for a car and yet salespeople can’t provide basic answers, that’s quite poor, especially when trying to build upon your brand. It presents itself like the left hand isn’t talking to the right,
This behavior is more like a model announcement where things are still being ironed out than an actual model launch where things should be locked and loaded. Cars don’t necessarily have to be in stores. People can wait if they need to see the car before ordering. However, Lucid staff should be in a position to answer questions accurately when someone is ready to order.
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