Gravity Orders Discussion

[Wulf0123]

I'm not happy about the share price either. I want to give Lucid benefit of the doubt, so I think about the positives -> I'm pretty sure no auto manufacturer wants Lucid to succeed based on their tech so I'm not surprised of the short interest and the FUD articles. Their tech can be licensed to other OEMs once they realize they're couple years behind... Some people says it's Denial lol but I trust Patience is key...

I'm happy about the share price because it means I can buy more at a low price. Hurts that it keeps sinking but I am looking at the long term and between licensing their power train to other manufacturers and getting the midsize out (and hopefully even the gravity) will hopefully shoot the stock price in the future.
Too many people see Tesla today and forget the growing pains it had previously. It's ok not to hold. But if you can afford it, those who sold ended up regretting it. So I will take my discounted shares while I can, because I definitely see this going up in the future with their dedication to quality and ability to bring down costs with their increased efficiencies.

 

[HC_79]

Seems plausible. I do trust Peter, just upset about the share price, Lucid investors never seem to get a break.

Everyone has a right to be upset about the share prices, but let’s also consider Rivian. They’ve likely experienced a steeper decline than Lucid. The key point here is that these stocks were always inherently risky. If investors expected quick profits, they were misled. Lucid and Rivian serve as prime examples of how volatile these high-risk stocks can be. While they’ll face a challenging journey for the next few years, these stocks should have always been intended as long-term investments (or failures), not short-term ones.

Remember that in the early days, Tesla’s stock price was around $1. While it’s frustrating, I believe people should be a little more patient with Lucid’s strategy. As the saying goes, “slow and steady wins the race.” While people may be annoyed with the timelines for Gravity, it’s important to consider the big picture that Lucid aims to achieve. If they rush the process, they risk running out of cash and potentially failing, which none of us want.

 

[Adnillien]

This is a Gravity order discussion thread, please keep the stock price discussion in the investor section.

 

[Bobby]

Delayed in my head, way below my expectations. Heard those who order now may get delivery in March, read this on our forum. Touring not being released till late 2025. This is not what I was expecting at all. Perhaps, having PIF backing is creating lack of urgency? This is me thinking with my investor hat on. It’s too slow to my liking. But I’m sure it’s for a good reason. The drag is just very bad for investors.

Perhaps bringing a brand new car to market is harder than you think.

 

[NoseyReporter]

Perhaps bringing a brand new car to market is harder than you think.

It is insane to think that the Air was delivered Oct 2021, and now Gravity will be delivered Dec 2024. Then Midsize sometime in 2026. I mean that is FAST.

I imagine to launch cars at this speed with a giant catalogue to just pick parts from but Lucid is developing so much tech and software in house AND launching cars at a insane pace. All of that cost money, LOTS of money.

Gravity is an automotive marvel in its own right. The 2nd offering from a fledgling company, that is already transcending the SUV market as we know it.

 

[Blue Lectroid]

It is insane to think that the Air was delivered Oct 2021, and now Gravity will be delivered Dec 2024. Then Midsize sometime in 2026. I mean that is FAST.

I imagine to launch cars at this speed with a giant catalogue to just pick parts from but Lucid is developing so much tech and software in house AND launching cars at a insane pace. All of that cost money, LOTS of money.

Gravity is an automotive marvel in its own right. The 2nd offering from a fledgling company, that is already transcending the SUV market as we know it.

Couldn't agree more. We are talking about a start-up company delivering potentially two best-in-class automobiles for their respective categories in three years and people feel that the timeline is too slow? I would say that tit was the expectations that may have been at fault...

 

[HC_79]

It is insane to think that the Air was delivered Oct 2021, and now Gravity will be delivered Dec 2024. Then Midsize sometime in 2026. I mean that is FAST.

Remember, Gravity was supposed to be 2023 and mid-market was going to be 2025 so technically everything has been pushed back by a year. The initial timeline was probably a little too aggressive on Lucid's part though.

 

[DrLucid]

Most of us who have a lucid air ordered the gravity only because we trusted LUCID and team impressing us with air. It’s such a wonderful car.
Lucid team worked really hard to make air and also gravity which everybody agrees. Any business or person would really enjoy the work once their work is appreciated by people. Gravity might be delivered at when ever they can. As much as we are curious to experience it I’m sure the lucid team is for sure more excited to get their hardwork come out fruitful more than us. They might have promised 2023 , but we also need to take Covid into consideration for the delay. I don’t think they enjoy the funding more than the applause for their hardwork. It might come on time or may be delayed for a bit but at the end it’s a reliable USA company which for sure has a long way to go.

 

[QuietMouse]

I should have also noted that they did not have an answer for what the max charging rate will be on a Tesla Supercharger. Not all the sales reps understand the reasons for the 50kw limit with Air, but one of the local reps does, and he said there is no answer yet but he believes they are working on it. If they are starting production soon you'd think they would have figured this out by now, so I am hoping it is just a communication delay internally. We'll see. It would be pretty embarrassing for Lucid to have the slowest-charging EVs on a Supercharger, especially with a native NACS port.

Depending on which version of the Supercharger. Before CyberTruck came to be, Model S, X, 3 and Y are on 400V and high amperage architecture. Air runs on much higher voltage and lower amperage architecture. This means that Air can only run at Superchargers's limit of 400V and whatever Air's amperage is, hence 50kW. The limitation is the same for all 500V+ EVs unless they have an onboard charger that can help boost it beyond 50kW. V4 Superchargers are 1000V.

 

[DeaneG]

Depending on which version of the Supercharger.....This means that Air can only run at Superchargers's limit of 400V and whatever Air's amperage is, hence 50kW. ...V4 Superchargers are 1000V.

Not quite correct. No v4 superchargers are currently capable of 1000v. All we have now are some v4 charging towers supplied by 500v v3 power conversion cabinets.

The Air is limited to 50kW by the DC-DC converter in its Wunderbox when charging from a 400V source like current superchargers. The DC-DC converter isn't needed when charging a Lucid from a 1000v source like 99+% of CCS charging stations.

There are rumors of an increased power 400v DC charging capability for Gravity's Wunderbox, but nothing concrete has been verified by Lucid yet. My guess is that this is one of the last few areas in Gravity that are still in test and possibly revision.

 

[Adnillien]

Not quite correct. No v4 superchargers are currently capable of 1000v. All we have now are some v4 charging towers supplied by 500v v3 power conversion cabinets.

The Air is limited to 50kW by the DC-DC converter in its Wunderbox when charging from a 400V source like current superchargers. The DC-DC converter isn't needed when charging a Lucid from a 1000v source like 99+% of CCS charging stations.

There are rumors of an increased power 400v DC charging capability for Gravity's Wunderbox, but nothing concrete has been verified by Lucid yet. My guess is that this is one of the last few areas in Gravity that are still in test and possibly revision.

This is an important point because Tesla is not moving very fast with the installation of V4 conversion cabinets. For the Tesla network to be useful for Gravity or any of the newer 800V cars, they will have to have faster charging than 50kW. Either by higher DC-DC boost capacity or split pack for charging at a lower voltage. I am really hoping that this included in Gravity.

 

[Pragmatic]

Do we know if Gravity has a faster than 50kw dc-dc converter.

Also any idea of the efficiency losses due to the dc-dc converters?

 

[DeaneG]

Do we know if Gravity has a faster than 50kw dc-dc converter.

Also any idea of the efficiency losses due to the dc-dc converters?

As I mentioned, there has not yet been any confirmation from Lucid. Conversion efficiency is likely IMO to be at least 98%.

 

[Ughwhy]

I did black. But I am wrapping it. Blak is the color that makes the most sense for wrapping since the parts that show won't look bad.

What color wrap are you planning on?

 

[Ughwhy]

I know that I won't be towing anything so didn't want to spend that extra $750...

Its difficult to put a number on it, but I strongly suspect that the tow hitch on an SUV will pay for itself in better resale value. I suspect (but don't know) that adding a hitch to these after the fact will not be simple or cheap.

 

[Ughwhy]

I just know I'll never use it. And mine will most likely be a lease that I don't buy out at the end so no need to have it for any other reason.

Yeah if you are leasing and won't use the hitch then I agree its wasted money.

 

[Ughwhy]

I don't always guess correctly, but I did get that one right.

However, is it just an installed mount for a tow pommel and brake light connectors, or does it involve some reinforcement of the frame and/or powertrain software modifications?

In other words, can it be added later at a Service Center?

The airflow under Lucids is so carefully managed that I wonder if it disrupts that in any significant way?

It used to be that you could just add an aftermarket hitch and wire-in a controller yourself. Nowadays many modern cars do more than just control the trailer lights and physically connect the trailer. They often also change drive settings in the vehicle to "tow mode" which impacts all sorts of things like stability control, throttle mapping, engine braking etc. So adding a hitch aftermarket on those sorts of vehicles is not the same as getting it from the factory. I don't know what the Gravity's Tow package impacts.

 

[Ughwhy]

Remember, Gravity was supposed to be 2023 and mid-market was going to be 2025 so technically everything has been pushed back by a year. The initial timeline was probably a little too aggressive on Lucid's part though.

COVID was an unexpected hurdle too.

 

[Ughwhy]

I placed an order, but I’m uncertain on trade-ins. I’ll probably be trading my truck in, but I live in Missouri and we don’t have a studio in our state so I’m wondering if I can take delivery in Colorado or Illinois and still trade my vehicle in? The DMV told me I could still get the reduction in sales tax if I present them with the bill of sale within 180 days but I want to see if any Air owners have gone through this. My closest studio is in Chicago and the next closest is Denver.

Lucid doesn't have a trade-in program yet. Who knows when or if they will get one. You'll probably need to either do a private sale or sell it to one of those companies like AutoNation or CarMax.

 

[flarbear]

The rate of charge listed for Gravity is the same that Tesla lists for their superchargers - 200 miles in 15 minutes. Not really good evidence that they've solved the voltage issue, but a decent data point.