Gravity Orders Discussion

[flarbear]

I don't know that regen turns off. It's that a full battery has no capacity to take the current input from regeneration. That would be the case whether towing or not.

One thing I never got was that they could easily make the behavior consistent. Maybe regen isn't available when the battery is nearly full, but that doesn't mean that their only option is to let the car run away on coasting. Regen should have an option to simulate the resistive force when it isn't avilable due to SoC. Yes, it will use energy when your expectation might be to conserve energy - which is why it should be a choice for the driver/owner. But at least that could remove that sudden fright when you leave the house on a road-trip morning with a full battery and come to the first downhill. That only happens for me a couple of times a year as I normally am not at full when I leave my house on a daily trip.

 

[joec]

Which is what I said. You were saying that the press releaase cannot be right because the Air doesn't support it and I was pointing out that the press release is correct because it only applies to "future vehicles" which is consistent with the Air not getting it.

I definitely think I am misunderstanding you. But Lucid has only two vehicles. When they said "future vehicles" they meant future versions of Air and Gravity. Mid-size won't be shipping until 2027.

The gist of the release was that basically starting in 2025, Lucid would be producing NACS, not CCS. I remember. We all talked about it here at the time.

They were implying Air would also go to NACS. They have since changed their minds on that (as noted in recent talks with executives on the subject). At least for the time being. I have no doubt they will eventually move Air to NACS, but probably not until a more major update to the car.

The point is, there have been numerous press releases Lucid has put out that later turned out to not come true. Whenever you see someone posting a press release on the forum from over a year ago, take it with a grain of salt.

 

[joec]

One thing I never got was that they could easily make the behavior consistent. Maybe regen isn't available when the battery is nearly full, but that doesn't mean that their only option is to let the car run away on coasting. Regen should have an option to simulate the resistive force when it isn't avilable due to SoC. Yes, it will use energy when your expectation might be to conserve energy - which is why it should be a choice for the driver/owner. But at least that could remove that sudden fright when you leave the house on a road-trip morning with a full battery and come to the first downhill. That only happens for me a couple of times a year as I normally am not at full when I leave my house on a daily trip.

Lucid could definitely do this. Other manufacturers do. But they choose not to. At least for now.

It's a driver's car. I think they are assuming you are prepared for the unexpected.

 

[larrycpa]

I never towed anything on my minivan but I used bike rack a lot.

Do you need towing package to have a bike rack?

 

[Leftlane]

If you use the kind of bike rack that hooks up to the hitch receiver you do - if you are using one that straps on and rests against the rear hatch you won’t, but I graduated past those kinds about 30 years ago

 

[Knucklehead]

There are people, like me, who won't buy a vehicle that does not have a good way to mount a bike. I really don't like a roof mount, and I don't like putting it inside like some who own Airs do. A tow hitch means I can mount several bikes on the back and still have room inside for people and cargo.

I highly recommend you spend $750 on the hitch if you intend to sell it later. It gives you access to buyers like me, who would not consider your car otherwise.

 

[flarbear]

It's a driver's car. I think they are assuming you are prepared for the unexpected.

Drivers are definitely prepared for the environment to bring unexpected challenges. But I think that a behavior that depends on internal car state that is uncommon takes away from the driving experience. They can provide the choice easily enough and allow the driver to decide.

 

[borski]

I can't imagine a world where I would tow in my Gravity, and I can't imagine it having much if any impact on resale value, so I'm comfortable leaving it off my build. I actually don't really see why towing is considered a big deal in EVs. I assume towing absolutely crushes range, making it practical really only for in-town towing. I guess that works if you're a landscape contractor with a zero-turn on a trailer? or maybe you have a small boat you need to be able to take down to a local slip? Or maybe you want to tow a teardrop camper and are ok stopping to charge a LOT? I have a tough time accepting that even a super-efficient EV with towing is much more than a narrow boutique need.

I don’t know if I’ll ever tow anything, it because I keep my cars for a while, I like the option.

Plus, a tow hitch can carry a lot more than just a trailer.

 

[borski]

As a funny thought, my wife and considered briefly having the Gravity tow my Air, charge both up at an EA, and then use the RangeXChange cable to feed the Gravity from the Air, extending the towing distance haha

 

[Batteryman]

Looks like Gravity is delayed...thought they would be selling a lot in Q4, but it will be the same trickle that we saw with the Air....drip....drip....drip....very bad for investors!

 

[HC_79]

Looks like Gravity is delayed...thought they would be selling a lot in Q4, but it will be the same trickle that we saw with the Air....drip....drip....drip....very bad for investors!

Where is it confirmed that Gravity is delayed?

 

[hmp10]

Looks like Gravity is delayed...thought they would be selling a lot in Q4, but it will be the same trickle that we saw with the Air....drip....drip....drip....very bad for investors!

Has some news broken about delays?

It's been a while since Lucid messaging changed from deliveries starting in late 2024 to production starting in 2024. And Lucid has recently said that the ramp up of Gravity production will come in 2025.

 

[Batteryman]

Where is it confirmed that Gravity is delayed?

Delayed in the sense that there will hardly be any deliveries in 2024. I expected they would be delivering quite a few by now. The lack of press cars this late in the year is concerning for deliveries. Just not upto my expectations.

 

[HC_79]

Delayed in the sense that there will hardly be any deliveries in 2024. I expected they would be delivering quite a few by now. The lack of press cars this late in the year is concerning for deliveries. Just not upto my expectations.

Well, you made a completely wrong assumption, and your comment about the delay is entirely false. Let’s not engage in spreading false information here. Lucid has been very transparent about Gravity entering production in late 2024. We might receive some deliveries before year end, but we can’t guarantee it. They never made a promise about deliveries in late 2024.

 

[borski]

Delayed in the sense that there will hardly be any deliveries in 2024. I expected they would be delivering quite a few by now. The lack of press cars this late in the year is concerning for deliveries. Just not upto my expectations.

Got it, so you just made that completely up in your head. Cool.

Please don’t spread unfounded rumors.

 

[Batteryman]

Got it, so you just made that completely up in your head. Cool.

Please don’t spread unfounded rumors.

Delayed in my head, way below my expectations. Heard those who order now may get delivery in March, read this on our forum. Touring not being released till late 2025. This is not what I was expecting at all. Perhaps, having PIF backing is creating lack of urgency? This is me thinking with my investor hat on. It’s too slow to my liking. But I’m sure it’s for a good reason. The drag is just very bad for investors.

 

[hmp10]

The drag is just very bad for investors.

I've done my own share of speculating about the pace of things, including why no Gravities seem to be in the hands of the press with orders already open.

But one thing I do know is that putting the Gravity in the hands of owners before its build quality and software are completely nailed down would be the worst possible thing for investors. Delivery delays will soon be forgotten. Being unable to open doors, software plagued with glitches, and any other repeats of the Air's early teething pains won't be.

The Air was cut some slack because it was the first vehicle from a brand new company, and the car was so damned good as a driving machine that broke new ground on so many design and engineering fronts that much could be forgiven with early production woes. But the Gravity won't be cut the same slack, especially as it's aiming at a much wider customer base than the Air.

 

[HC_79]

Delayed in my head, way below my expectations. Heard those who order now may get delivery in March, read this on our forum. Touring not being released till late 2025. This is not what I was expecting at all. Perhaps, having PIF backing is creating lack of urgency? This is me thinking with my investor hat on. It’s too slow to my liking. But I’m sure it’s for a good reason. The drag is just very bad for investors.

Take what people say here with a grain of salt. We’ve witnessed numerous instances where frontline staff can fabricate information, pretending to have knowledge when they lack it. While I may be mistaken, in my opinion, it’s highly unlikely that Lucid will commence production this year and then not deliver a car until three months later.

 

[Batteryman]

I've done my own share of speculating about the pace of things, including why no Gravities seem to be in the hands of the press with orders already open.

But one thing I do know is that putting the Gravity in the hands of owners before its build quality and software are completely nailed down would be the worst possible thing for investors. Delivery delays will soon be forgotten. Being unable to open doors, software plagued with glitches, and any other repeats of the Air's early teething pains won't be.

The Air was cut some slack because it was the first vehicle from a brand new company, and the car was so damned good as a driving machine that broke new ground on so many design and engineering fronts that much could be forgiven with early production woes. But the Gravity won't be cut the same slack, especially as it's aiming at a much wider customer base than the Air.

Seems plausible. I do trust Peter, just upset about the share price, Lucid investors never seem to get a break.

 

[dragonwang]

Seems plausible. I do trust Peter, just upset about the share price, Lucid investors never seem to get a break.

I'm not happy about the share price either. I want to give Lucid benefit of the doubt, so I think about the positives -> I'm pretty sure no auto manufacturer wants Lucid to succeed based on their tech so I'm not surprised of the short interest and the FUD articles. Their tech can be licensed to other OEMs once they realize they're couple years behind... Some people says it's Denial lol but I trust Patience is key...