Gravity Delivery Discussion

[DeaneG]

Even if the V2H never materializes, I'm fine with having an LCHS.
FOMO is a factor....
If I'm missing something, let me know.
Just planning ahead or at least trying.

Sounds reasonable to me. Many good solutions are available for home charging and the decision is a personal one.

To me the most important point is to arrange something for home charging before delivery or soon after, rather than to try to rely on public charging for everyday EV use. Even if it's "free" charging, I rarely use it. Imagine if you had to drive somewhere to recharge your cell phone.

 

[HC_79]

Let's take the issue of the demo car that had a rear seat that would not move all the way forward. That would impede entry into the third row. Do you really think that would be an issue only for a "pedantic" customer? Or a rear seat motor that was abnormally loud on another demo car, something that is both annoying but could also indicate risk of early failure of the mechanism used to facilitate rear seat entry?

It's one seat! Were they all broken on all the demos? no

 

[borski]

Let's take the issue of the demo car that had a rear seat that would not move all the way forward. That would impede entry into the third row. Do you really think that would be an issue only for a "pedantic" customer? Or a rear seat motor that was abnormally loud on another demo car, something that is both annoying but could also indicate risk of early failure of the mechanism used to facilitate rear seat entry?

I had an early production Air Dream Edition -- production no. 154. While all the early-production issues with the car eventually were resolved (except for one), it required multiple service visits from mobile techs and a couple of flatbed transports to service centers. Fortunately, this was at a time when Lucid service centers were not swamped as they are now often reported to be.

If Gravities get delivered to customers with the kinds of early issues some Airs had, not only will the service centers be inundated and customers become increasingly angry at service delays, it will also load further warranty costs onto a company that has already indicated that is an issue. And this is not to mention the press reviews on those early issues that, especially regarding software, dominated early press coverage of the car and still occasionally crop up in references. In fact, this spawned a reputation of Lucid being a third-tier software player that still dogs it today and that Lucid is only now beginning to put a bit behind it.

If you think getting Gravities into customer hands a few days or even a few weeks earlier is worth a repeat of all that, then I can only say I hope no one at Lucid is listening.

I say this with all the love and respect in the world… put down the internet and anticipation, and go for a drive or have a cup of tea.

How you have not made yourself crazy yet, I have no idea

 

[hmp10]

I say this with all the love and respect in the world… put down the internet and anticipation, and go for a drive or have a cup of tea.

How you have not made yourself crazy yet, I have no idea

I'm not the one stressing out here about deliveries. I am simply saying I would trade getting a Gravity in the next few weeks for waiting a bit longer to get one with more assurance that more of the inevitable early-production bugs have been worked out.

This stuff poses no risk of making me crazy. I actually find it invigorating. (Ever since I was a kid, friends and family predicted I was going to be a lawyer because they saw how much I relished a good argument.)

It's one seat! Were they all broken on all the demos? no

There were two seat/motor issues noticed on two different seats. Several visitors from just this forum noticed trim alignment issues on several of the demos. The HUDs weren't fully functional on any of the demos.

If the first Gravity I get repeats the early months I had with my first Air, I will be canceling my order for the second Gravity.

I have every confidence that Lucid manufacturing has evolved significantly since early Air days, which itself was really pretty good for a new car from a new company. But I'm not going to bust a gut if Lucid takes a few more days or weeks to iron out as many remaining issues as they can.

 

[RD7]

Here is another take on the reason for Gravity shipment delays, also hinting at potential further delays. To be clear, this is just a rumor. I hope this turns out to be false, but I'm staying the course regardless.

Investing.com -- Shares of Lucid Group (NASDAQ:LCID) tumbled 4.6% following news that the company is facing delays in the delivery of its highly anticipated Gravity SUV due to safety issues. The luxury electric vehicle maker has been grappling with production challenges, as early production was hindered by unresolved safety testing, particularly concerning the third-row seating of the vehicle.

According to EV, citing a source familiar with Lucid’s launch plans, the interim CEO, Marc Winterhoff, assured during an event last week that deliveries to U.S. customers are expected to commence by the end of April. However, the same source indicated that behind-the-scenes progress has been slow, with the Gravity model yet to pass safety testing for its third-row seating.

The delays have cast a shadow over Lucid’s production timeline, with the source revealing that while some deliveries may begin as stated by the CEO, the volumes in April will be "very small." The source further suggested that higher-volume production is not anticipated to ramp up until June or July.

investing.com

 

[AirDoll]

Here is another take on the reason for Gravity shipment delays, also hinting at potential further delays. To be clear, this is just a rumor. I hope this turns out to be false, but I'm staying the course regardless.



investing.com

Head of communications for Lucid replied to this bogus article on X stating it’s BS.

 

[hmp10]

Here is another take on the reason for Gravity shipment delays, also hinting at potential further delays. To be clear, this is just a rumor. I hope this turns out to be false, but I'm staying the course regardless.



investing.com

The article originally reporting this story was written by an author on a dodgy blog. I have tried to contact him before to get confirmation that he had real sources for other things he's written, but he has never responded.

Take this with a very big grain of salt.

 

[sri]

The article originally reporting this story was written by an author on a dodgy blog. I have tried to contact him before to get confirmation that he had real sources for other things he's written, but he has never responded.

Take this with a very big grain of salt.

I think it should be very small grain of salt

 

[hmp10]

I think it should be very small grain of salt

Sorry, I meant we should take the article with a very big grain of salt.

 

[RD7]

Sorry, I meant we should take the article with a very big grain of salt.

Glad to hear this. I closed my Twitter/X account because of Elon, so I didn't see Nick's post Thanks for the update.

 

[RD7]

I am now considering getting ride of our three existing cars and going down to just two cars: the Gravity Dream we've already ordered, and a Gravity Grand Touring set up with the smallest wheels for long road trips in cooler weather.

The issue was how to get rid of all three cars. Caravan will only quote our Honda Odyssey (which the dealer has been trying to buy from us, anyway). That leaves us with the Model S Plaid and the Air Dream Performance.

I just talked to my Gravity sales advisor. He says they have a trade-in program through Kelly Blue Book and that Lucid will take a trade-in on the Tesla, but that no decision has been made yet about taking Lucids on trade-in. The Tesla trade-in can't be set up until the time of delivery, though, as the quote will depend on mileage and condition at the time.

This is really good news. Has anyone yet had any experience with the Lucid/Kelly trade-in arrangement?

I just traded in my 2017 Model S P100D for a 2025 Air Touring. The process is pretty simple: the SA sends you a link to kbb.com to fill out and upload docs & pictures, and you get a preliminary value. The Lucid KBB rep then sets up a video (Teams) call to do a virtual walkthrough, after which your estimated value decreases a bit (typical, according to my SA). All told, it was just 3 days for the whole process and would have been faster if not for the big end-of-quarter backlog. I was not pleased with the value they came up with, especially given the fantastic shape my car was in, FSD upgrade, and free supercharging, but Tesla values are pretty depressed right now so I guess it's to be expected. However, the $2K conquest bonus (discount) and $2K Tesla trade-in credit helped make up for the difference. With all the Lucid Q1 incentives, it was impossible to argue with the final lease monthly payment, which was phenomenal.

WRT the GT with 20/21 wheels, this is what I spec'ed on my GGT. The 450 mi range is compelling. While I am OK with the wheel size, I'm not as sure about the rubber. You might watch this Tire Rack test, which did not rate the Hankook Ion EVO tires very highly. They were fine in the dry, but did not handle well in the wet. I am currently deciding if I will proceed with the 20/21 wheels and then swap out the tires, or go with the 21/22s with Michelin Primacy AS rubber. That's a good-but-not-great tire, so still deciding. I do like the wheel design better. I will probably decide after my test drive.

Bottom line, I thought the KBB and overall trade-in process went well, and Lucid handled it all expediently and professionally.

 

[037]

I feel like the seat issues with the noise and stopping early were pulled out of my posts without giving me credit…

Funny story how I ended up in the back seat of a gravity inside a parking garage unsupervised…

 

[98point1]

I just traded in my 2017 Model S P100D for a 2025 Air Touring. The process is pretty simple: the SA sends you a link to kbb.com to fill out and upload docs & pictures, and you get a preliminary value. The Lucid KBB rep then sets up a video (Teams) call to do a virtual walkthrough, after which your estimated value decreases a bit (typical, according to my SA). All told, it was just 3 days for the whole process and would have been faster if not for the big end-of-quarter backlog. I was not pleased with the value they came up with, especially given the fantastic shape my car was in, FSD upgrade, and free supercharging, but Tesla values are pretty depressed right now so I guess it's to be expected. However, the $2K conquest bonus (discount) and $2K Tesla trade-in credit helped make up for the difference. With all the Lucid Q1 incentives, it was impossible to argue with the final lease monthly payment, which was phenomenal.

WRT the GT with 20/21 wheels, this is what I spec'ed on my GGT. The 450 mi range is compelling. While I am OK with the wheel size, I'm not as sure about the rubber. You might watch this Tire Rack test, which did not rate the Hankook Ion EVO tires very highly. They were fine in the dry, but did not handle well in the wet. I am currently deciding if I will proceed with the 20/21 wheels and then swap out the tires, or go with the 21/22s with Michelin Primacy AS rubber. That's a good-but-not-great tire, so still deciding. I do like the wheel design better. I will probably decide after my test drive.

Bottom line, I thought the KBB and overall trade-in process went well, and Lucid handled it all expediently and professionally.

Thanks for sharing the trade in process! I was wondering as I’ll likely go thru it with my Taycan. Their values have tanked too, as the insulting low offer letters from Porsche tell me each passing month or two. Is what it is as I got maximum enjoyment out of the car and that’s what counts. Looking really forward into getting into something more comfortable and can still perform on the road!

 

[hmp10]

I just traded in my 2017 Model S P100D for a 2025 Air Touring. The process is pretty simple: the SA sends you a link to kbb.com to fill out and upload docs & pictures, and you get a preliminary value. The Lucid KBB rep then sets up a video (Teams) call to do a virtual walkthrough, after which your estimated value decreases a bit (typical, according to my SA). All told, it was just 3 days for the whole process and would have been faster if not for the big end-of-quarter backlog. I was not pleased with the value they came up with, especially given the fantastic shape my car was in, FSD upgrade, and free supercharging, but Tesla values are pretty depressed right now so I guess it's to be expected. However, the $2K conquest bonus (discount) and $2K Tesla trade-in credit helped make up for the difference. With all the Lucid Q1 incentives, it was impossible to argue with the final lease monthly payment, which was phenomenal.

WRT the GT with 20/21 wheels, this is what I spec'ed on my GGT. The 450 mi range is compelling. While I am OK with the wheel size, I'm not as sure about the rubber. You might watch this Tire Rack test, which did not rate the Hankook Ion EVO tires very highly. They were fine in the dry, but did not handle well in the wet. I am currently deciding if I will proceed with the 20/21 wheels and then swap out the tires, or go with the 21/22s with Michelin Primacy AS rubber. That's a good-but-not-great tire, so still deciding. I do like the wheel design better. I will probably decide after my test drive.

Bottom line, I thought the KBB and overall trade-in process went well, and Lucid handled it all expediently and professionally.

It'll be interesting to see how the trade-in discussions go. Lucid (via KBB) will take two of our cars -- the Tesla and the Odyssey -- on trade against the two Gravities, and our Honda dealer will buy in those two plus the Air. (Lucid is not accepting Lucids on trade-in at this point.). The Honda dealer gave quotes on the Air and the Odyssey, but I'm not going to go through the inspection process until we've got the Gravity delivery dates in view. The quotes aren't too bad at this point, but where I'm probably going to take a drubbing is on the radar/laser detectors installed in all three cars and the Xpel Ultimate Fusion wrap on the Air. I doubt if I'll see much or even any recouping of those costs.

 

[doubletwist]

Of the 4 options you listed, #4 is my plan.

Just wondering what others "without" chargers are planning.

I just got the mobile charger ordered ASAP. The range on the Air was sufficient enough that the charger arrived before I was out of power.

 

[bryway]

Glad to hear this. I closed my Twitter/X account because of Elon, so I didn't see Nick's post Thanks for the update.

Same. Couldn't tolerate Twitter’s descent, and left it behind. Grateful someone shared the update here.

 

[cb23]

I just traded in my 2017 Model S P100D for a 2025 Air Touring. The process is pretty simple: the SA sends you a link to kbb.com to fill out and upload docs & pictures, and you get a preliminary value. The Lucid KBB rep then sets up a video (Teams) call to do a virtual walkthrough, after which your estimated value decreases a bit (typical, according to my SA). All told, it was just 3 days for the whole process and would have been faster if not for the big end-of-quarter backlog. I was not pleased with the value they came up with, especially given the fantastic shape my car was in, FSD upgrade, and free supercharging, but Tesla values are pretty depressed right now so I guess it's to be expected. However, the $2K conquest bonus (discount) and $2K Tesla trade-in credit helped make up for the difference. With all the Lucid Q1 incentives, it was impossible to argue with the final lease monthly payment, which was phenomenal.

WRT the GT with 20/21 wheels, this is what I spec'ed on my GGT. The 450 mi range is compelling. While I am OK with the wheel size, I'm not as sure about the rubber. You might watch this Tire Rack test, which did not rate the Hankook Ion EVO tires very highly. They were fine in the dry, but did not handle well in the wet. I am currently deciding if I will proceed with the 20/21 wheels and then swap out the tires, or go with the 21/22s with Michelin Primacy AS rubber. That's a good-but-not-great tire, so still deciding. I do like the wheel design better. I will probably decide after my test drive.

Bottom line, I thought the KBB and overall trade-in process went well, and Lucid handled it all expediently and professionally.

Do you know how the trade value they ended up giving you compares to the value you would get from the "My Car's Value" process on the KBB website?

 

[msaunders9430]

Does anyone know why some customers get a $650 credit toward the purchase of charging accessories after delivery, while others get a $1k credit?

I'm thinking it's based on the time of a purchase and the current offers. However, if it's more, please explain.

 

[LuvLucy]

I just traded in my 2017 Model S P100D for a 2025 Air Touring. The process is pretty simple: the SA sends you a link to kbb.com to fill out and upload docs & pictures, and you get a preliminary value. The Lucid KBB rep then sets up a video (Teams) call to do a virtual walkthrough, after which your estimated value decreases a bit (typical, according to my SA).

My trade-in value dropped by $3K after the Teams video on my '21 Model 3 Performance. The car was pristine - 18000 miles on it. Luckily I had already sold the car at Carmax the same day for what KBB had initially offered, before they got back to me, as with the crashing resale of Tesla's and glut of used cars I wanted the "bird in the hand".