EA Megathread

[Cosmo Cruz]

RE: home charging

I think I'm paying about 10 cents per kWh.
Rates here vary between 7 cents and 12 cents per kWh, depending on who and how the electrons are made.
That's a saw buck ($10) for a "full tank".

 

[Lucken]

Comparing what to a moped? You misread my post. Do you not think an IONIQ 6 or a Chevy Bolt is a competitor to a Prius or Civic hybrid? When the competition gets 50-60mpg, the electricity price is about the same as gas.

Or that a Lucid is a competitor to a 5 series or E class? When the competition gets 20mpg, then yes! Electricity (and driving a lucid) is cheaper…

Seems like pretty simple logic?

Yes, and the savings formula gets even more murky when you get outside of the insane gas prices that are California. In many cases (and areas) the argument that you ‘save a bundle with an EV’ is not a particularly good argument when DCFC. Charging at home is the better argument, but even there, depending on your electric rates, home charging may not be a good savings argument.

 

[new owner]

Yes, and the savings formula gets even more murky when you get outside of the insane gas prices that are California. In many cases (and areas) the argument that you ‘save a bundle with an EV’ is not a particularly good argument when DCFC. Charging at home is the better argument, but even there, depending on your electric rates, home charging may not be a good savings argument.

Totally agree
We pay 31 cents per kWh electricity rate at home in MA still about 1/3- 1/2 less than gas ( assuming similar performing car that gets 20 mpg premium gas) so DCFC only makes sense if road tripping
Of course 3 yrs free EA was nice but frustratingly inconvenient and time consuming
The issue is if gas prices fall will electricity rates follow?
Also for those who can’t charge at home where is the savings and going electric is even less desirable ?

 

[Lucken]

Totally agree
We pay 31 cents per kWh electricity rate at home in MA still about 1/3- 1/2 less than gas ( assuming similar performing car that gets 20 mpg premium gas) so DCFC only makes sense if road tripping
Of course 3 yrs free EA was nice but frustratingly inconvenient and time consuming
The issue is if gas prices fall will electricity rates follow?
Also for those who can’t charge at home where is the savings and going electric is even less desirable ?

However a 5 series ICE can get 35mpg highway, so even there the EV savings almost vanish. Yes, the HP is not the same, but still. I’ll say this, it amazes me that BMW still insists on premium gas, although owners have told me mid grade works fine.

 

[new owner]

However a 5 series ICE can get 35mpg highway, so even there the EV savings almost vanish. Yes, the HP is not the same, but still. I’ll say this, it amazes me that BMW still insists on premium gas, although owners have told me mid grade works fine.

True
I was thinking more of the typical 8 cylinder comparable car like s class with an 8 cylinder

 

[momo3605]

To be fair, that's if you exclusively DCFC.

This is an EA thread

 

[scal_air]

This is an EA thread

True, but it's also a Lucid forum.
Comparing Hyundai EVs to Toyota Hybrids to compare the cost/mile is your argument - which I agree, the hybrid wins. But ignoring the cheaper cost of home charging to widen the difference seems a little disingenuous.

 

[momo3605]

True, but it's also a Lucid forum.
Comparing Hyundai EVs to Toyota Hybrids to compare the cost/mile is your argument - which I agree, the hybrid wins. But ignoring the cheaper cost of home charging to widen the difference seems a little disingenuous.

huh? My first comment said in the case of Lucid, it’s not as big of a deal since the competition gets much lower mpg.

But generally for people that don’t care about performance, EVs are more expensive to charge than hybrids. And again, since this is an EA megathread, DCFC EVs costs more than gas period.

Home charging changes the story for sure. In some regions, like the same SF Bay area on PGE is 36 cents/kw off peak. But EVs can make a TON of sense outside of CA for sure. Many states have super cheap off peak hours or even close to free.

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

This is an EA thread

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

 

[borski]

huh? My first comment said in the case of Lucid, it’s not as big of a deal since the competition gets much lower mpg.

But generally for people that don’t care about performance, EVs are more expensive to charge than hybrids. And again, since this is an EA megathread, DCFC EVs costs more than gas period.

Home charging changes the story for sure. In some regions, like the same SF Bay area on PGE is 36 cents/kw off peak. But EVs can make a TON of sense outside of CA for sure. Many states have super cheap off peak hours or even close to free.

I know it’s an EA thread lol. I was just clarifying that you don’t get the option of adding gas at home, and charging at home is much cheaper. That’s all.

 

[hmp10]

I know it’s an EA thread lol. I was just clarifying that you don’t get the option of adding gas at home, and charging at home is much cheaper. That’s all.

For years, I never thought twice about how much I was stopping at a gas station. Now, with two EVs plugged in at home, having to gas up our Odyssey feels as if someone asked me to wash the dishes, do the laundry, and mow the lawn all at once.

 

[Daniel2022AT]

Yea I mean, I think it’s ok for something like a big heavy powerful Lucid. For sure it’s cheaper than filling an equivalent M5 or E63.

But once you go down into the economy class EV like the Chevy, Hyundai, Kia stuff, you’re not saving anything over a traditional hybrid like a Prius (nor getting any better performance).

EA by me is $.589/kwh. At about 3.5mi/kwh, that is approx $0.168 energy cost per mile. Compared to an ICE vehicle of 30 mpg @ $3.50/ gal that is approx $0.12 cost per mile. So the EV is substantially higher energy cost for highway trips.

 

[momo3605]

EA by me is $.589/kwh. At about 3.5mi/kwh, that is approx $0.168 energy cost per mile. Compared to an ICE vehicle of 30 mpg @ $3.50/ gal that is approx $0.12 cost per mile. So the EV is substantially higher energy cost for highway trips.

Yup, 100% agree. The argument others will make, to which i don't disagree...is that how many other 600hp ICE vehicles get 30mpg? Maybe not much. But yea, my only point is for majority of people that are not obsessed with speed, or those that live in apartments or without garages to charge at home, ICE vehicles are cheaper to operate.

 

[new owner]

Yup, 100% agree. The argument others will make, to which i don't disagree...is that how many other 600hp ICE vehicles get 30mpg? Maybe not much. But yea, my only point is for majority of people that are not obsessed with speed, or those that live in apartments or without garages to charge at home, ICE vehicles are cheaper to operate.

Agreed
Unless you use free EA charging then charging at home is what makes daily driving a lot cheaper then gas and more convenient
For long road trips it’s a wash but gas would be easier unless there is a level 2 charger where you may be visiting
So as a daily driver the lucid works well

 

[hmp10]

I had to go to the Orlando airport last night to pick up my partner who had met his daughter in Reykjavik for a concert and a few days of ice hiking. It was a 187-mile drive each way. (Orlando was the only Florida airport with direct flights to Reykjavik, and he wanted to avoid the risk of a connecting flight in the northeast this time of year had he flown out of our closest airport.) The fastest route took me through the boonies up the center of Florida, and the only EA chargers along the route were at the intersection of I-4 and state route 27. (I-4 is the main route to Disney World and has traffic jams from early morning until past midnight daily.). The traffic jams start 10 miles north and south of I-4 on route 27, so it is a massively traveled area.

The EA station at this thronged location has only 4 charging stalls. When I arrived shortly before 9 p.m., one of the stalls was not working, and 4 cars were waiting to charge. I found a ChargePoint station closer to the airport, but a PlugShare check said two of its stalls were out of service. Since I had enough range to get from the EA station to the airport 30 miles away, I checked and found another EA station about 9 miles beyond the airport. I figured it was early enough that I could use that station before going to the cell phone lot. However, Plugshare said two of its stalls were out of service, and there was always a very long line since it was at a huge shopping center. Since I had plenty of range to get to the airport and back to the original EA location, I decided to proceed to the airport without charging, figuring that it would be late enough on my return trip to not find a waiting queue.

The flight was delayed even further than had been shown on the airline's website, and there was still a huge traffic jam on I-4, so we didn't get back to the original EA charger until 12:01 a.m. So much for thinking there would be no queue for chargers at that late hour. There were three cars ahead of us. It was 1:10 a.m. before we got back on the road for home.

So . . . another aggravating roadtripping story with a CCS vehicle that leaves me wondering if it's yet advisable to become an all-EV household when our Gravity arrives. That Odyssey has some life left in it yet.

 

[DeaneG]

....So . . . another aggravating roadtripping story with a CCS vehicle that leaves me wondering if it's yet advisable to become an all-EV household when our Gravity arrives. That Odyssey has some life left in it yet.

Ouch, that was an ordeal.
I'm expecting that Tesla superchargers will be available to Gravity later in 2025. It should make a huge difference.

 

[hydbob]

I had to go to the Orlando airport last night to pick up my partner who had met his daughter in Reykjavik for a concert and a few days of ice hiking. It was a 187-mile drive each way. (Orlando was the only Florida airport with direct flights to Reykjavik, and he wanted to avoid the risk of a connecting flight in the northeast this time of year had he flown out of our closest airport.) The fastest route took me through the boonies up the center of Florida, and the only EA chargers along the route were at the intersection of I-4 and state route 27. (I-4 is the main route to Disney World and has traffic jams from early morning until past midnight daily.). The traffic jams start 10 miles north and south of I-4 on route 27, so it is a massively traveled area.

The EA station at this thronged location has only 4 charging stalls. When I arrived shortly before 9 p.m., one of the stalls was not working, and 4 cars were waiting to charge. I found a ChargePoint station closer to the airport, but a PlugShare check said two of its stalls were out of service. Since I had enough range to get from the EA station to the airport 30 miles away, I checked and found another EA station about 9 miles beyond the airport. I figured it was early enough that I could use that station before going to the cell phone lot. However, Plugshare said two of its stalls were out of service, and there was always a very long line since it was at a huge shopping center. Since I had plenty of range to get to the airport and back to the original EA location, I decided to proceed to the airport without charging, figuring that it would be late enough on my return trip to not find a waiting queue.

The flight was delayed even further than had been shown on the airline's website, and there was still a huge traffic jam on I-4, so we didn't get back to the original EA charger until 12:01 a.m. So much for thinking there would be no queue for chargers at that late hour. There were three cars ahead of us. It was 1:10 a.m. before we got back on the road for home.

So . . . another aggravating roadtripping story with a CCS vehicle that leaves me wondering if it's yet advisable to become an all-EV household when our Gravity arrives. That Odyssey has some life left in it yet.

187 miles each way? Seems like you could have done this trip without charging no?

 

[Pragmatic]

I really wish EA would start imposing fees for over 85% charging. I rarely have to wait to charge at EA stations. When I do I walk the line to see how long the wait will be. Usually 2 of the stalls are occupied by vehicles that started at 50% or better and are at 95% or better when I arrive. They usually stay until they are at 100% which can take another 20 minutes. Worst was an unattended vehicle that shortly after reaching 100% (and before the charges began) the owner returned to, packed their shopping in, unplugged the car and walked away. They returned 15 minutes later with their whole family. Got in the car and left.

 

[pyle112]

I really wish EA would start imposing fees for over 85% charging. I rarely have to wait to charge at EA stations. When I do I walk the line to see how long the wait will be. Usually 2 of the stalls are occupied by vehicles that started at 50% or better and are at 95% or better when I arrive. They usually stay until they are at 100% which can take another 20 minutes. Worst was an unattended vehicle that shortly after reaching 100% (and before the charges began) the owner returned to, packed their shopping in, unplugged the car and walked away. They returned 15 minutes later with their whole family. Got in the car and left.

One day our grandchildren will be as buddled by this story as my kids are when I describe dial up.

 

[HariK]

Here was my reason for choosing Air Pure AWD fully loaded for 100k on the road a similarly equipped Lexus LS in CA.
The Lexus was costing $25 to 30k more. Lexus 25mpg overall $5 per gal or so fuel. Lucid 3.3 miles per kwh realistic. Even at 56 cents per kwh DCFC, $4.25 for 25miles.
At home I have solar to charge. My annual long distance drive is about 2k miles. So, overall the fuel cost is much less with EV. Finally, I like the idea of just charging at home
and no need for oil changes. Lower maintenance costs. As time goes by, we will see more DCFC to make it easier for travel. It may take 5 to 10 years I think for us to expect
to find a DCFC immediately when we want it.