EA Megathread

[Buffalo Bob]

Unless you are under 20% I would agree a 150 (175) vs a 350 makes almost no difference in the Air. I'm on a road trip now in a 2025 Sierra EV. I haven't found a white paper on the configuration of the battery pack yet (haven't looked much), but it definitely has a split pack. Charging at 175kW+ at over 70% state of charge. EA 350kW are problematic enough that I would rather see 2 (150) for every 350. Now, if they can allow charging with 350 split on 2 cables from one 350, that would be great. I was on a 350 yesterday and someone else tried to use the second cable, the charger would not initiate a second session. For using 2 cables to work the stations are going to need (pull through) configurations like gas stations. Watching people try to get a charging port close enough to cable when the last charger available is not right for them is brutal.

Did you notice that @Bobby has a post about split chargers on this same thread a few posts up (Saturday at 3:00 PM)? Instead of allowing both cables on a single station to be used, it looks like EA is splitting a single power supply into two 'balanced' charging stations. While I have yet to run into one of these arrangements, it sounds like a good move to me!

 

[scal_air]

I had the pleasure of driving a Bolt for a few weeks recently. I totally agree. Underrated car. I'd seriously consider buying one as a second "around the city" car.

Quick Public Sevice Announcement - If you do purchase a Bolt, please don't charge it to 100% at EA stations with people waiting...I'll be happy to hand you a Tesla adapter with proof of purchase!

 

[larrycpa]

I had the pleasure of driving a Bolt for a few weeks recently. I totally agree. Underrated car. I'd seriously consider buying one as a second "around the city" car.

My other car is a 2017 Bolt with 75k on it. I still like it, but having the Air has spoiled me.

 

[CWedge411]

The Kia Niro, is the new Bolt i see clogging the EA stations

 

[Pragmatic]

The bane of my EA charging is the Mercedes EVs. They come in with over 50% and charge to 100% - 97% to 100% with take as long as my 5% to 70%.

 

[Buffalo Bob]

The Kia Niro, is the new Bolt i see clogging the EA stations

I just read that it can supposedly charge from 10% to 80% in 43 minutes at a DC fast charger, but of course, that assumes charging stops at 80%, and with an EPA range of only 253 miles....

What I found noteworthy is that the car gets an EPA 3.9 miles per kWh from its 201 HP motor. Imagine what that figure would be if equipped with a similar HP motor developed using Lucid technology. Makes me wonder just how great the performance specs will be on the Lucid mid-size.

 

[Professor Y Cars]

My other car is a 2017 Bolt with 75k on it. I still like it, but having the Air has spoiled me.

We picked up a 2023 Bolt around the same time I got my Air and I couldn't believe how good the Bolt is (for a compact economy EV). It's another topic for another day, but it was eye opening how good it was and also mildly irritating that more people didn't buy them.

But yes definitely Bolt owners should not be charging on the 350 kW stalls!

 

[BACamster]

First time charging at the brand new 10 stalls EA station at brand new Costco Pleasanton, CA.

 

[TakeDuo]

First time charging at the brand new 10 stalls EA station at brand new Costco Pleasanton, CA.View attachment 24729View attachment 24730

Is this tied to having a membership like fuel? Reduced rates?

 

[BACamster]

Not sure if we get discount rate if we pay with our Costco Visa card. The pricing screen doesn’t show Costco rate.

 

[momo3605]

Not sure if we get discount rate if we pay with our Costco Visa card. The pricing screen doesn’t show Costco rate.

View attachment 24731View attachment 24732

0.46 is the discounted Costco rate. Go across the street to the normal EA. It’s 56 cents or something for normal public EA stations in CA. Crazy huh?

 

[DeaneG]

0.46 is the discounted Costco rate. Go across the street to the normal EA. It’s 56 cents or something for normal public EA stations in CA. Crazy huh?

I'll bet the Costco rate is about the same as EA's Pass+ membership discounted rate.

 

[borski]

0.46 is the discounted Costco rate. Go across the street to the normal EA. It’s 56 cents or something for normal public EA stations in CA. Crazy huh?

True. Still cheaper than gas though. I lost my mind filling up in CA in this GMC after driving in from Arizona haha

 

[momo3605]

True. Still cheaper than gas though. I lost my mind filling up in CA in this GMC after driving in from Arizona haha

Yea I mean, I think it’s ok for something like a big heavy powerful Lucid. For sure it’s cheaper than filling an equivalent M5 or E63.

But once you go down into the economy class EV like the Chevy, Hyundai, Kia stuff, you’re not saving anything over a traditional hybrid like a Prius (nor getting any better performance).

 

[Bobby]

Yea I mean, I think it’s ok for something like a big heavy powerful Lucid. For sure it’s cheaper than filling an equivalent M5 or E63.

But once you go down into the economy class EV like the Chevy, Hyundai, Kia stuff, you’re not saving anything over a traditional hybrid like a Prius (nor getting any better performance).

Not sure that's a sensible argument. Perhaps next we should compare it to a moped.

 

[momo3605]

Not sure that's a sensible argument. Perhaps next we should compare it to a moped.

Comparing what to a moped? You misread my post. Do you not think an IONIQ 6 or a Chevy Bolt is a competitor to a Prius or Civic hybrid? When the competition gets 50-60mpg, the electricity price is about the same as gas.

Or that a Lucid is a competitor to a 5 series or E class? When the competition gets 20mpg, then yes! Electricity (and driving a lucid) is cheaper…

Seems like pretty simple logic?

 

[borski]

Yea I mean, I think it’s ok for something like a big heavy powerful Lucid. For sure it’s cheaper than filling an equivalent M5 or E63.

But once you go down into the economy class EV like the Chevy, Hyundai, Kia stuff, you’re not saving anything over a traditional hybrid like a Prius (nor getting any better performance).

I don't know; haven't done the math on those.

 

[momo3605]

I don't know; haven't done the math on those.

It’s pretty simple I think.

A long range ioniq with a 77kwh battery costs you $43 at EA $0.56/kwh that will return 300-350 miles on a charge

A prius with an 11 gallon tank will cost $44 at $4/gallon to cover 600 miles. You can even scale down to a 35mpg car like any midsize hybrid sedan/suv (Camry, RAV4, Highlander) and still beat out EV on charging cost

Pretty crazy that gas can be cheaper than charging an EV here in CA and will ultimately be a huge deterrent for EV adoption in the long run.

 

[borski]

It’s pretty simple I think.

A long range ioniq with a 77kwh battery costs you $43 at EA $0.56/kwh that will return 300-350 miles on a charge

A prius with an 11 gallon tank will cost $44 at $4/gallon to cover 600 miles. You can even scale down to a 35mpg car like any midsize hybrid sedan/suv (Camry, RAV4, Highlander) and still beat out EV on charging cost

Pretty crazy that gas can be cheaper than charging an EV here in CA and will ultimately be a huge deterrent for EV adoption in the long run.

To be fair, that's if you exclusively DCFC.

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

It’s pretty simple I think.

A long range ioniq with a 77kwh battery costs you $43 at EA $0.56/kwh that will return 300-350 miles on a charge

A prius with an 11 gallon tank will cost $44 at $4/gallon to cover 600 miles. You can even scale down to a 35mpg car like any midsize hybrid sedan/suv (Camry, RAV4, Highlander) and still beat out EV on charging cost

Pretty crazy that gas can be cheaper than charging an EV here in CA and will ultimately be a huge deterrent for EV adoption in the long run.

I charge at home.
Haven't been to a gas station in over two years.