Drive Comparison, GT, Touring, Pure??!

[Adnillien]

I believe I read somewhere that you do not get full power and torque on the GT in "Smooth" and "Swift" modes. (I believe limited to ~600hp)
You do get modifications to the steering / damping, but the full power and torque are only available in "Sprint" mode.

Having trouble finding where I saw this. Anyone ?

You are correct.

 

[Neurio]

Ordered the GT with 19" all season Pirellis. When spring came I put on a factory set of 21" Pirellis. I really like the 21"s. Keep them at 45 psi. Having recently (Nov.) put the all season 19" back on I can say with confidence = the 21" are better in every way (except of course, cold ).

I believe I read somewhere that you do not get full power and torque on the GT in "Smooth" and "Swift" modes. (I believe limited to ~600hp)
You do get modifications to the steering / damping, but the full power and torque are only available in "Sprint" mode.

Having trouble finding where I saw this. Anyone ?

The Air Grand Touring is powered by two electric motors, one at either axle, that combine for 800 horsepower and 885 lb-ft of torque in Sprint, the Air's sport mode. In the default Swift drive setting, the Air Grand Touring puts down a more modest 536 horsepower and 645 lb-ft, while in the cushier Smooth setting, torque drops a bit more to 620 lb-ft.

Courtesy of Motor Trend:

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[Cosmo Cruz]

My point being you can compare the Pure and Touring to the Grand Touring in "Smooth" mode, or even "Swift" mode...

... but you don't have the

bear balls mode

 

[momo3605]

My point being you can compare the Pure and Touring to the Grand Touring in "Smooth" mode, or even "Swift" mode...

... but you don't have the View attachment 17377
bear balls mode

Pure and touring don’t have launch mode?

 

[Bobby]

Pure and touring don’t have launch mode?

They do.

 

[momo3605]

They do.

Yea that’s what I thought. Unsure what @Cosmo Cruz meant

 

[Bobby]

Yea that’s what I thought. Unsure what @Cosmo Cruz meant

What he meant was that the sprint horsepower in the touring and pure is equivalent to the smooth horsepower in the grand touring.

 

[MJAir23TheGoat]

Can confirm because of GVWR the dream and GT do qualify for bonus depreciation. I just got off the phone with IRS and confirmed. Some nice advantages to this if you have a business.

 

[xponents]

Can confirm because of GVWR the dream and GT do qualify for bonus depreciation. I just got off the phone with IRS and confirmed. Some nice advantages to this if you have a business.

I'll note that bonus depreciation is not 100 percent anymore, but still is worthwhile! Does the Touring/Pure not have a 6k+ gvwr?

 

[sk8ndad]

I'm not sure why the GVWR would change. It would seem that the maximum payload could just go up on the lighter models. The Touring is 628 pounds lighter than the Grand Touring unloaded.

 

[segbrk]

I'm not sure why the GVWR would change. It would seem that the maximum payload could just go up on the lighter models. The Touring is 628 pounds lighter than the Grand Touring unloaded.

Touring GVWR is 6283 lbs.

 

[momo3605]

I'll note that bonus depreciation is not 100 percent anymore, but still is worthwhile! Does the Touring/Pure not have a 6k+ gvwr?

The GT GVWR is 6283, but the Pure AWD and Touring are 300lbs lighter. If the payload is the same, then that would put them under 6k. But apparently touring has higher payload? I don’t know how that works. How can payload increase on the lighter cars?

 

[xponents]

The GT GVWR is 6283, but the Pure AWD and Touring are 300lbs lighter. If the payload is the same, then that would put them under 6k. But apparently touring has higher payload? I don’t know how that works. How can payload increase on the lighter cars?

Well, my thinking regarding that is that if the platform can take that extra weight, then maybe the weight removed would be added to the payload? Even then though, the extra torque and hp of the GT is likely what gives it the GVWR edge. Or maybe there is another explanation?

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

Larger (more) batteries. batteries are heavy.

 

[Bobby]

Well, my thinking regarding that is that if the platform can take that extra weight, then maybe the weight removed would be added to the payload? Even then though, the extra torque and hp of the GT is likely what gives it the GVWR edge. Or maybe there is another explanation?

Yes this is the correct answer.

 

[Daniel2022AT]

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Qualifies for all bonus
Weight is over 6000 using gvwr
My accountant actually owes one and it did

qualify. The GT does Pure and Touring don’t

GT gvwr is 6285

Lucid Air Gross Vehicle Weight​

2023 Lucid Air Gross Vehicle Weight is 6283 lbs.

Hence, this vehicle Qualifies for the 6000 Pound or more requirement(Per IRS) and using a combination of Section 179 and Bonus Depreciation you can get 100% Deduction on a vehicle purchase price including Fees and Sales Taxes.

I own a Touring purchased in 2023. The official GVWR according to the placard on my vehicle is 6283 lbs.

 

[MJAir23TheGoat]

I own a Touring purchased in 2023. The official GVWR according to the placard on my vehicle is 6283 lbs.

So you may want to check with your accountant if you can take all the depreciation available 2 u if a bizz owner.

 

[Tqlucid]

I’m about to pick up an air pure rwd. Also test drove the touring and grand touring. Air pure felt noticing lighter and more nimble. Also love the raw rwd feeling of a sports car. I have 3 other cars all which have awd so not concerned about winter driving. Plus, it snowed like once in boston the last 2 winters. I’m also leasing as the deals are pretty good. If I were to buy, it would be awd but with a lease I opted for lowest payment and also a little more fun with rwd when the weather is nice.

 

[segbrk]

I just had a loaner GT for a week, here's my general comparison between it and my Touring. For reference, the GT was manufactured 09/22, had 5k miles on it, and had 21" tires/wheels. My Touring was manufactured 11/22, has about 11k miles, and currently has the 19" A/S OEM tires/wheels, though I have driven with 21s on it in the past. The loaner was speed-limited to 88mph. I don't think the acceleration curve was altered below that at all though. It's weird and just a little unsettling how they limit speed, it doesn't just prevent further acceleration at 88mph, you hit 88 and it cuts your power, forcing you into a bit of regen.

Driving/handling:
The GT definitely felt heavier. Meaning both more planted on the road, but also less agile. It still feels incredibly powerful, but honestly, my Touring is a more exciting drive to me personally. To be clear on the planted-ness, my Touring has never felt lacking in that department, the GT just felt... well, heavier. I'm sure the GT has more power in the upper end, but having lived with both of them now, I can't say I care.

Seats:
The GT had the 20-way massage seats. What I didn't realize is that those GT seats actually have more of a side bolster. That was snug, it felt great in the corners, but personally I won't miss it too much back in my Touring. The other adjustment options don't really matter to me. Maybe I'm just too averagely shaped. The massage feature is fantastic, and the one thing I really wish I had in my Touring. You folks ordering now are lucky with the added customizability, Touring + massage would be my ideal combo. I wish the intensity went another level or two higher, and I wish it somehow extended up to my shoulders. But if the idea is to be a GT car and take the edge off of long road trips, rather than to beat the daily stresses out of me, it absolutely hits that mark.

Doors:
I carried the fob for the loaner the whole time, as that was the only option. I had zero issues with waiting to unlock it. Proximity unlock was on, and it managed to unlock maybe 50% of the time right as I walked up to it. The other 50% I pressed a door handle and it opened pretty much instantly. I have proximity unlock off in my car, maybe that makes the difference, but I often have to wait a couple seconds after pushing a handle for it to unlock. I said it elsewhere, but the new iOS mobile key works instantly with my car as well.

Unique issues - specific to that loaner car, but indicative of production differences between cars. I'm mainly including these in case they help someone realize they have an annoyance that can be fixed:
- It's raining lightly today. The windshield wipers in the GT were not very effective. I have a strong suspicion that this is because the wipers and the windshield were dirty. I could see kind of oily looking spots on the windshield getting smeared around. I don't think the wiper speed or detection were any worse. If you have wiper issues, clean your wiper blades and windshield. Regularly. With alcohol.
- The GT had a lot more squeaks and creaks than my car, even though it had half the mileage. One sample is not a trend, but I hope this says that the fit/finish was on an upwards track, even within 2022. I think the "Bobby foam" would have fixed the loudest of the issues, but not all.
- CarPlay freaked out on me in that GT once. The CarPlay button flashed up on the home screen, disappeared, flashed, disappeared, several times, then it just wouldn't connect despite me toggling wifi on my phone and toggling bluetooth in the car and all that. I had to do the Air logo reset for it to reconnect. I haven't had CarPlay issues in my Touring in months.
- The passenger footwell woofer may have been on its way to needing the tape fix, it had a bit of a rattle at times.
- I think the seat needed re-homing, it made an unhappy "trying-trying-trying-trying-nope" noise at the limits of its adjustment rather than just stopping like mine does.
- No idea why, but location in CarPlay was horribly slow to start working in that GT. Last night I drove probably 8 city blocks before the "me" on the map stopped spinning around getting confused in the spot where I started. I do think location is provided from the car through CarPlay, so it's not unreasonable for a different car to make a difference, but wow that was bad. Every time. It's never that bad in my car.

On a lighter note, this was the first Quantum Gray I've really paid attention to. I like colorful cars, but boy does that dark gray look good. Harder to clean than my Cosmos Silver though I think. Speaking of which, the light interior (santa cruz?) was, as you might expect, dirty. Love the walnut accents, but there's just no way that light footwell would ever be clean in my life and it would drive me mad.

 

[idiot900]

- The GT had a lot more squeaks and creaks than my car, even though it had half the mileage. One sample is not a trend, but I hope this says that the fit/finish was on an upwards track, even within 2022. I think the "Bobby foam" would have fixed the loudest of the issues, but not all.

I have practically zero squeaks and creaks in my 1/2023 build Touring after "Bobby foam" (felt pads in my case), ensuring trim is fully clipped in, and strategically applying tiny amounts of Krytox lubricant. Anec-data suggests that they've done a better job with assembly over time.