Dream Drive 2????

[Blue Lectroid]

Morning! I was poking around on the Gravity Configurator last night and noticed that Dream Drive on the Gravity configurator is being called “Dream Drive 2.”

That is the first I saw this new terminology. Anybody know why they renamed it? Will the Air get DD2?

 

[Lucken]

Good catch, but what makes me think hardware/computer limitations in the Air won’t allow for it? That’s the way it tends to be in other cars. Unfortunately for earlier buyers this becomes a fact of life.

 

[BS8899]

Good catch, but what makes me think hardware/computer limitations in the Air won’t allow for it? That’s the way it tends to be in other cars. Unfortunately for earlier buyers this becomes a fact of life.

So, the next question one should ask:

>on the Air, DDPro is a feature with extra cost, correct?
>Did Lucid deliver the DDpro features as promised?
>what's DD2 vs DDPro?
>What is promised in DD2?

 

[SaaSManKS]

idk how they would be able to offer a "better" version of DDP for a vehicle in prod when they haven't even delivered on the DDP version they've promised to existing autos...If thats the case, (which I have a hard time believing) they will have a lot (more) unhappy owners...

 

[BS8899]

idk how they would be able to offer a "better" version of DDP for a vehicle in prod when they haven't even delivered on the DDP version they've promised to existing autos...If thats the case, (which I have a hard time believing) they will have a lot (more) unhappy owners...

Agree with you. DDP on the Air is still much short of Lucid's original vision and positioning.

Earlier, I posted the question about how Lidar is being used on the current Lucid Air. First, no one seems to know the answer. Second, several responses suggest that I shouldn't be pre-occupied with how Lidar is being used or not...in other words, just shut up and enjoy the car!

 

[pgh]

idk how they would be able to offer a "better" version of DDP for a vehicle in prod when they haven't even delivered on the DDP version they've promised to existing autos...If thats the case, (which I have a hard time believing) they will have a lot (more) unhappy owners...

So you're not familiar with a company called Tesla then.... That did exactly this?

 

[Samo23]

Second, several responses suggest that I shouldn't be pre-occupied with how Lidar is being used or not...in other words, just shut up and enjoy the car!

A lot of the last in this forum

Try reddit

 

[BS8899]

So you're not familiar with a company called Tesla then.... That did exactly this?

I am familiar with Tesla. I am a long time EV advocate. I facilitated my garage for two EVs in 2008 (L2 charging). During 2010-2020, I looked at the available EVs (mostly Tesla's, BMWs, MB, etc.) but decided against all of them (efficiency, range, features etc.). Instead, I bought a PHEV in 2019. I consciously decided against buying a Tesla because of the exact reasons you cited.

(Perhaps foolishly) I expected Lucid to do better than Tesla. But I am not so sure any more.

 

[Tâm]

Earlier, I posted the question about how Lidar is being used on the current Lucid Air. First, no one seems to know the answer. Second, several responses suggest that I shouldn't be pre-occupied with how Lidar is being used or not...in other words, just shut up and enjoy the car!

No companies lacking LIDAR have ever got L3 and above.

So far, only companies with LIDAR can get L3 and above. Mercedes L3 can only drive below 40 MPH in the US but in Germany, it can do so at 59 MPH and will increase to 80 MPH by 2030.

Another L3 company is BMW but it's only in Germany, not in the US.

Other companies that can do L4 are Waymo and others but they don't allow individual sales. They all have a LIDAR.

Thus, so far, no one has proven that they can get L3 without LIDAR.

I don't know what Lucid is using LIDAR for, but I know that, without LIDAR, it is unlikely to get to L3 in the near future.

 

[BS8899]

No companies lacking LIDAR have ever got L3 and above.

So far, only companies with LIDAR can get L3 and above. Mercedes L3 can only drive below 40 MPH in the US but in Germany, it can do so at 59 MPH and will increase to 80 MPH by 2030.

Another L3 company is BMW but it's only in Germany, not in the US.

Other companies that can do L4 are Waymo and others but they don't allow individual sales. They all have a LIDAR.

Thus, so far, no one has proven that they can get L3 without LIDAR.

I don't know what Lucid is using LIDAR for, but I know that, without LIDAR, it is unlikely to get to L3 in the near future.

Thanks for the explanation.

There is LIADAR (e.g., Waymo), and there is LIDAR (e.g., on iPhones/iPads), and there is LIDAR (on the Lucid), and there is LIDAR on some high-end Chinese EVs (see Kyle's China visit).

I am a big fan of LIDAR. And there is LIDAR on my AGT. Literally, it can just be ranging/Doppler of the car in front of you, to full 3D scanning. I am planning on using LIDAR scanning (to create the topographic maps) when I add an ADU to my existing house. My question pertains on how Lucid is using LIDAR in their ADAS implementation.

With respect to your response above "no one has proven they can get L3 without LIDAR". Is Tesla on the wrong track?!

 

[Batteryman]

idk how they would be able to offer a "better" version of DDP for a vehicle in prod when they haven't even delivered on the DDP version they've promised to existing autos...If thats the case, (which I have a hard time believing) they will have a lot (more) unhappy owners...

That is the reality, and that is why Peter gave no concrete date by which Lucid will have this, unlike Musk who lies about it every single year like clockwork. Lucid just said it's coming.

 

[BS8899]

That is the reality, and that is why Peter gave no concrete date by which Lucid will have this, unlike Musk who lies about it every single year like clockwork. Lucid just said it's coming.

So, Elon Musk is a liar because he continues to slip his schedule of implementing a feature. But Rawlinson is better because he promise a feature on the Air (now 3 years old) but never communicated a date when it will happen?!

 

[Tâm]

Is Tesla on the wrong track?!

Not proven does not necessarily mean "wrong track."

Vision alone has not proven itself to attain L3 so far, so it takes Tesla to prove that it will.

The thing is, how long would you decide the race of sensor fusion vs vision-only will finish? Since no one has finished commercializing L5 yet, so it's hard to decide a winner. Yes, speculators can guess who will win, but the result won't reveal itself until the finish line.

The rationale for vision alone is simple: people can walk with legs, birds can fly by flapping their wings, fish can swim with flippers so just imitate nature and you are on the right track!

The problem is: Cars don't walk with legs, jet airplanes don't flap with wings, submarines don't flipper...

We found better than legs for the car to move. Better than flapping wings for a jet to fly, and better than flippers for a submarine to swim.

That's the same with Autonomous Driving: LIDAR is better than vision to detect obstacles, especially in the dark:

Tesla Cybertruck Crashes Into Light Pole While Using FSD 13.2.4 - CleanTechnica

A Tesla Cybertruck in Full Self Driving mode crashes head on into a light pole. Is this a joke? No, sadly, it is not.

cleantechnica.com

 

[Tâm]

Let's compare DreamDrive1 VS DreamDrive2:

Notice that DreamDrive1 has LIDAR. Nowhere on the DreamDrive2 has any mention of LIDAR. What's going on?

 

[Neurio]

Not proven does not necessarily mean "wrong track."

Vision alone has not proven itself to attain L3 so far, so it takes Tesla to prove that it will.

The thing is, how long would you decide the race of sensor fusion vs vision-only will finish? Since no one has finished commercializing L5 yet, so it's hard to decide a winner. Yes, speculators can guess who will win, but the result won't reveal itself until the finish line.

The rationale for vision alone is simple: people can walk with legs, birds can fly by flapping their wings, fish can swim with flippers so just imitate nature and you are on the right track!

The problem is: Cars don't walk with legs, jet airplanes don't flap with wings, submarines don't flipper...

We found better than legs for the car to move. Better than flapping wings for a jet to fly, and better than flippers for a submarine to swim.

That's the same with Autonomous Driving: LIDAR is better than vision to detect obstacles, especially in the dark:

Tesla Cybertruck Crashes Into Light Pole While Using FSD 13.2.4 - CleanTechnica

A Tesla Cybertruck in Full Self Driving mode crashes head on into a light pole. Is this a joke? No, sadly, it is not.

cleantechnica.com

WTF? That guy should lose access to any 'self driving' software in any vehicle forever:

For his part, Challinger is pretty laid back about the whole thing and blames himself for not paying attention and getting “complacent.” In a previous post from January, Challinger wrote about his habit of losing focus with FSD enabled: “Sometimes I decide to go somewhere and turn on Tesla FSD and then I forget where I decided to go and then it starts turning into Taco Bell or whatever and I’m like wtf is it doing and then I’m like oh right Taco Bell.”

 

[Tâm]

WTF? That guy should lose access to any 'self driving' software in any vehicle forever:

For his part, Challinger is pretty laid back about the whole thing and blames himself for not paying attention and getting “complacent.” In a previous post from January, Challinger wrote about his habit of losing focus with FSD enabled: “Sometimes I decide to go somewhere and turn on Tesla FSD and then I forget where I decided to go and then it starts turning into Taco Bell or whatever and I’m like wtf is it doing and then I’m like oh right Taco Bell.”

Please stop blaming the victim. Tesla still insists that its robotaxi with no human supervision is coming in June 2025, which is only weeks away.

Tesla Executives Confirm Robotaxi on Track for June

Tesla's first autonomous robotaxi fleet is still on track for June in Austin, Texas - as confirmed by Elon Musk and Franz Von Holzhausen.

www.notateslaapp.com

 

[Neurio]

Please stop blaming the victim. Tesla still insists that its robotaxi with no human supervision is coming in June 2025, which is only weeks away.

Tesla Executives Confirm Robotaxi on Track for June

Tesla's first autonomous robotaxi fleet is still on track for June in Austin, Texas - as confirmed by Elon Musk and Franz Von Holzhausen.

www.notateslaapp.com

Uh, no. The victim is definitely at fault here. He even admitted he stopped paying attention while driving, which so incredibly unsafe. Obviously, the marketing of 'FSD' leads to a false sense of security, but it's still only technically a level 2 ADAS system, meaning eyes must be on the road at all times. If the guy is so in La La Land that he even forgets his destination, he should not be allowed to use any ADAS system. Full stop.

 

[Tâm]

Uh, no. The victim is definitely at fault here. He even admitted he stopped paying attention while driving, which so incredibly unsafe. Obviously, the marketing of 'FSD' leads to a false sense of security, but it's still only technically a level 2 ADAS system, meaning eyes must be on the road at all times. If the guy is so in La La Land that he even forgets his destination, he should not be allowed to use any ADAS system. Full stop.

Tesla settles with Apple engineer’s family who said Autopilot caused his fatal crash

Stop blaming the victims and start paying them big money, please!

 

[momo3605]

So you're not familiar with a company called Tesla then.... That did exactly this?

What are you talking about? Tesla updated the HW when it turned out the chips in the legacy S/X weren’t powerful enough. Everyone who has ever paid for FSD has access to the latest version of the software and continue to get continuous updates.

A better example actually is Rivian. They had an established roadmap for Driver+ in the R1 with hands free driving. Eventually it turned out the hardware wasn’t good enough and with the gen 2 R1T, they scrapped all development of Driver+ and its roadmap, and started over with new hardware (Rivian Autonomy Platform)

 

[HC_79]

Let's compare DreamDrive1 VS DreamDrive2:

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Notice that DreamDrive1 has LIDAR. Nowhere on the DreamDrive2 has any mention of LIDAR. What's going on?

So DD2 gets hands free while DD1 doesn’t