Cold weather battery tips

Hasn't snowed here (philly) in a couple of years so I forgot to put the scrapers in the cars... we got the whole deal: snow to freezing rain back to snow then 10 degrees F overnight. That's not liquid = everything you see is frozen solid. It's in the teens (F)!
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I also forgot to TURN THE WIPERS OFF.
Had them on auto so as soon as I turned the car on they dragged back and forth across the icy lumps frozen to the windshield.
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I'm wondering if anyone else has the "frozen louver actuator" noise from the front of the car? I haven't heard this since last January.
 
Hasn't snowed here (philly) in a couple of years so I forgot to put the scrapers in the cars... we got the whole deal: snow to freezing rain back to snow then 10 degrees F overnight. That's not liquid = everything you see is frozen solid. It's in the teens (F)!
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I also forgot to TURN THE WIPERS OFF.
Had them on auto so as soon as I turned the car on they dragged back and forth across the icy lumps frozen to the windshield.
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I'm wondering if anyone else has the "frozen louver actuator" noise from the front of the car? I haven't heard this since last January.
This is why I always keep my wipers set to "OFF". I kept forgetting to turn them off on icy days, or even when drying the car after a wash in the summer.

Don't forget to use the awesome de-icer feature on days like this. No need to scrape that windshield. The de-icer works wonders while you set comfortable and warm inside the car.
 
Got to 10 degrees F last night here in the Philly 'burbs.

Anyone else getting the 'stuck louvers" sound from the front intake ? It bothers me but I have to guess it's not going to break ?

We had the classic sticky frozen slush icy salty crud spraying everywhere ... I've worried about all those slots and crannies getting filled with it.

This is the second winter I've heard this noise after particularly (for us) cold weather. We didn't have snow last year so it's just the cold.

I get it frequently in winter, and besides the noise, it hasn’t been a problem.
 
If you want to ensure that your battery is receiving some sort of "maintenance" while parked in the cold while connected to a Level 2 charger may I suggest waking the car up via the app and turning on the heat and allowing it run for 5-10 minutes, this act will have the car calling for charging. I have done this several times during the current bout of cold weather when the car has been parked for the night.

Great idea! I'll give that a try.

Pete
 
Hasn't snowed here (philly) in a couple of years so I forgot to put the scrapers in the cars... we got the whole deal: snow to freezing rain back to snow then 10 degrees F overnight. That's not liquid = everything you see is frozen solid. It's in the teens (F)!
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I also forgot to TURN THE WIPERS OFF.
Had them on auto so as soon as I turned the car on they dragged back and forth across the icy lumps frozen to the windshield.
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I'm wondering if anyone else has the "frozen louver actuator" noise from the front of the car? I haven't heard this since last January.
I e been getting a loud clicking at the bottom front of the car since the recent cold snap. Is that what I’m hearing? And what is a louver actuator anyway?
 
I e been getting a loud clicking at the bottom front of the car since the recent cold snap. Is that what I’m hearing? And what is a louver actuator anyway?
It's the flaps underneath the car that open and close to provide airflow for the batteries if needed to be cooled. Icy/snow make them freeze up.
 
In all my testing of various options I've discovered something new on the charging graphic of the iPhone app.

While charging the graphic shows wavy "electrical lines" starting at the front bumper and flowing to the charge limit indicator. (This was not new to me.)​
When the power is limited due to a cold battery, a blue bar is shown near the charge limit line.​
When the battery is discharging, i.e. warming the battery or running the climate control, the graphic shows the wavy lines mostly from the charge limit to about the B pillar of the car.​

Maybe this is old news to some but it was new to me.

Pete
 
Another cold weather tip I tried this morning; I woke the car up and the message on the app said charging complete, I then turned on the heat and while it stared to heat it didn't activate charging......so I then increased the charging limit and this got the pre-conditioning going and then about 13 minutes later the car started to charge. Looking at the screen shots you can see the climate control was warming up the interior while pre-conditioning, the out door temp at 6:30 this morning was 13F.
I wish I would have taken a screen shot before raising the charge limit, but I will tomorrow.

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My AT is garaged here in southern Maine; I think that the lowest registered "cabin temp" as we start the day has been around 25-28F. I keep it plugged in to my 50A circuit, using the Lucid Mobile Charger.

I've never heard any battery conditioning going on OTHER than when topping off a charge after the car wakes upon opening up the iOS app, or while adding charge while plugged in. My guess is that if the system does indeed do proactive warming of the batteries, it may not kick in until things get quite cold; perhaps near or at that 14 degrees they mention in the manual? (it sounds like people notice the proactive cooling in summer more often)

While I routinely get the "Warming battery to optimize charging speed" notice (even today with the cabin at 40), it ramps up to its nominal 9kW rate very quickly. It takes somewhat over an hour for the battery to warm up enough for that notice to disappear, and at that point the miles/hr notch up a bit (eg 37 mi/hr to 40mi/hr). This has generally been associated with a 6-12% SOC increase before it disappears (it may take longer if it starts colder....this week will be the first test of external temps around zero)

Turning on cabin heating sucks a LOT of juice from the charging side of things....with that on, it showed the 9kW of power generating 20mi/hr of range, with a Total Remaining charge time of 4:25 (I was aiming to go from 80 to 95%, though I ended up settling for 86%)-- when I shut off the cabin heating, it jumped up to 37 mi/hr of range and a 2:55 charge time.

When I'm going to do more than a few miles around town, I've adopted a plan similar to BlueLectroid's: my daily charge limit is set to 70%, and I notch that up to 80% or higher 90 minutes or so before planning to leave. Once the "Warming battery" message is gone (or 15-20 minutes before leaving), I warm up the cabin. This puts me on the road with a warmed battery--which I *presume* is beneficial for range/efficiency in addition to the charging speed.

What I'm unclear about is whether driving for a an hour in 25 degree air cools it down fairly quickly, or if being used keeps the battery packs nominally warm. I assume that (as at home) if it got down to a danger zone threshold, like 15 degrees or less, the warming would kick in. Relatedly, I'm a bit unclear about how much a cold battery itself reduces range/efficiency, as compared to the engine and other mechanical systems warming up a bit over the first 20 miles or so.

Separate but somewhat related: While I haven't had to charge "in the wild" yet, I wondering about the battery hit of using the Preconditioning option while on the road, given that a few posts have noted significant battery usage (5-15% SOC) when using Preconditioning, either unplugged at home prior to driving or while approaching a DCFC. Are those SOC hits outliers, or will I want to know I have at least 5-10% SOC (beyond my low-end comfort zone) to use on Preconditioning prior to arrival at the DCFC?
 
Where in Southern Maine are you? We go up to Portland quite a bit. I’ve found in the cold it’s best to precondition the full 45 minutes which the car does automatically when you navigate to a charger. I think precondition eats an additional 2-3%, but the battery does stay warm once you’ve warmed it even with driving. I think the Lucid API interface made by a member here could show battery temps but I may be incorrect on that.
 
I'm in Kennebunk, just a bit over a mile from the exit there.

Good to hear that your experience seems to be that en-route Preconditioning doesn't eat too much SOC. I'll look forward to checking that out for myself when I head out on a longer trip before long (and will surely be super-conservative the first time!)

Also great to hear that the battery stays warm once we get it there.
 
Seems like a battery warming capability while the car is plugged in and below a certain temp would be a great OOTA update. I was also told that plugging in overnight, even with just the L1 cable, would help condition the battery and prevent suboptimal temps from affecting SOC, so now it truly seems like the L1 has even less purpose other than preventing vampire drain.

Thoughts/prayers with everyone on this forum who doesn't live in California (though with what you're saving in income tax, just buy yourself a tacoma and call it even).
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I'm in Kennebunk, just a bit over a mile from the exit there.

Good to hear that your experience seems to be that en-route Preconditioning doesn't eat too much SOC. I'll look forward to checking that out for myself when I head out on a longer trip before long (and will surely be super-conservative the first time!)

Also great to hear that the battery stays warm once we get it there.
Yeah you’ll run into trouble in northern Maine as most of the charging options are slower 50kw Chargepoints, but the Kittery outlets right near you are a good site. Of course though you’re not gonna DCFC right before you leave for a trip, what matters is having good sites along the route. If you go up to Canada once you get up there you’ll have plenty of options. I stopped half way up on the way to Quebec City at Farmington ME and there’s a 50kw Chargepoint at the grocery store there. Slow but whatever, got the juice to go to Quebec City and most parking places there have L2 chargers so I never had to worry about it. Actually didn’t DCFC once there or Montreal cuz so many L2 sites.
 
. I stopped half way up on the way to Quebec City at Farmington ME and there’s a 50kw Chargepoint at the grocery store there. Slow but whatever, got the juice to go to Quebec City and most parking places there have L2 chargers so I never had to worry about it. Actually didn’t DCFC once there or Montreal cuz so many L2 sites.
Good to know. I definitely noticed the charging desert if I was headed way Downeast....past the mid-coast or Augusta, virtually (maybe literally) nothing til Canada....
 
The next two mornings should be interesting, should be about -5F tomorrow and -10F on Tuesday morning.

I suppose I should break down in tears about this, if I open the app my car will start charging right away even though I have it scheduled at a later time, the fix is to shut off the charging via the app, and I must add that winter charging and info via the app has much improved from the last two winters.
During battery warm up my cabin temp will rise 3-5 degrees, it will be interesting to see what it does tomorrow morning.

Here's an app screenshot from earlier this evening.lucid charge3.webp
 
I'm looking forward to "seizing the day" on one of this week's frigid ones to see how it does....I'll start topping off the charge when I wake up and head out a couple hours later, with a warmed battery.

The day will dawn at around 2F (warmer in the garage), and top out at maybe 18F with a stiff wind--though I doubt the wind chill gets down into the guts of the car, it'll keep me inside it!
 
Fingers crossed that I can do my 80 mile commute on a full charge.
 
Fingers crossed that I can do my 80 mile commute on a full charge.

I cannot think of any circumstance where that will not be possible.
I drove 60 miles this morning , and it was minus 20 F when I left and minus 8 when I returned. I averaged around 2.6-2.7 m/kWh on my GT, which is pretty fantastic for those temperatures.
 
I cannot think of any circumstance where that will not be possible.
I drove 60 miles this morning , and it was minus 20 F when I left and minus 8 when I returned. I averaged around 2.6-2.7 m/kWh on my GT, which is pretty fantastic for those temperatures.
I was joking. Have been getting 180-200 miles a charge this winter.
 
I was joking. Have been getting 180-200 miles a charge this winter.

Oooh good, I was wondering about that. I thought perhaps you meant 80 miles each way. 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️😬😬😊😊
 
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