Average mi/kwh

[Bill B]

I get pretty close to 100% most days. Some days I even get more than that. On my "bad" days I get 90%.

can I have your car lol the best I gotten is 3.4

 

[hmp10]

They truly imitate Tesla whenever they can. That is all Rawlinson knows.

Virtually everyone in the automotive press and elsewhere immediately benchmarked everything about Lucid against Tesla. So it was logical for Rawlinson to use the same EPA test cycle that Tesla uses, as everyone would make the comparison between each brand's published EPA numbers with precious little attention to which cycles were used.

As for imitating Tesla in other aspects, I would argue that is far from the case. First, Rawlinson took widespread flak for not using a hatchback design like Tesla, as he felt the Model S hatchback had been a big contributor to that car's subpar torsional rigidity. Rawlinson took an entirely different approach to many powertrain and other aspects: a 924-volt system while Tesla has stayed with 400 volts; battery cooling technology derived from Atieva's work, not Tesla's; vastly more volumetric and weight power density in its motor due to significantly different winding and cooling technologies; an entirely different approach to ADAS, eschewing Tesla's embrace of optics-only self-driving; a very different UI and driver controls philosophy, with more reliance on tactile controls for key functions; etc.

I drive a Tesla Model S and a Lucid Air. They are very different beasts in ways both seen and unseen -- and most of those differences derive from decisions Peter Rawlinson made to strike out on a different path from Tesla.

 

[Bill B]

Well, I think it is about time to clear the air on the mileage issue once and for all. The EPA mileage ratings is based on the standard testing for all cars. It is done with a professional driver on dynamometer with no outside environmental influence. The wind resistance, rolling resistance and weight for each car is factored into the test. The highway portion of the test is done going no faster than 60 MPH and no slower than 30 MPH and never stopping. The average speed of the highway test is 48 MPH. After the test values are achieved, they multiply that number by 0.70 to get "real driving" values. So, for all you whiners out there, unless you never go faster than 60 MPH and average no more than 48 MPH, you will NEVER, EVER, at ANY Time achieve the EPA mileage rating for the Lucid of your choice. You really need to accept this reality. And if you go faster than the testing standard your mileage will reduce by the square of the increase in velocity (VXV). The faster you go, the greater the impact of wind resistance. Keep that in mind when you are going 90 MPH on the Interstate. The wind resistance at 90MPH is more than 3X that of going 50 MPH and becomes the overriding factor in the resistance to forward motion.

Then the EPA Standards are not an accurate representation of EV'S if they are not obtainable.
With a gas car you can always achieve the EPA rating and EV"S should be no different.
Just my take

 

[Sam6062]

Virtually everyone in the automotive press and elsewhere immediately benchmarked everything about Lucid against Tesla. So it was logical for Rawlinson to use the same EPA test cycle that Tesla uses, as everyone would make the comparison between each brand's published EPA numbers with precious little attention to which cycles were used.

As for imitating Tesla in other aspects, I would argue that is far from the case. First, Rawlinson took widespread flak for not using a hatchback design like Tesla, as he felt the Model S hatchback had been a big contributor to that car's subpar torsional rigidity. Rawlinson took an entirely different approach to many powertrain and other aspects: a 924-volt system while Tesla has stayed with 400 volts; battery cooling technology derived from Atieva's work, not Tesla's; vastly more volumetric and weight power density in its motor due to significantly different winding and cooling technologies; an entirely different approach to ADAS, eschewing Tesla's embrace of optics-only self-driving; a very different UI and driver controls philosophy, with more reliance on tactile controls for key functions; etc.

I drive a Tesla Model S and a Lucid Air. They are very different beasts in ways both seen and unseen -- and most of those differences derive from decisions Peter Rawlinson made to strike out on a different path from Tesla.

Point taken.

 

[hydbob]

Then the EPA Standards are not an accurate representation of EV'S if they are not obtainable.
With a gas car you can always achieve the EPA rating and EV"S should be no different.
Just my take

But you CAN beat the EPA rating on the Lucid. 678 miles on 1 charge in fact. TAKE THAT SCIENCE!

 

[Sam6062]

Then the EPA Standards are not an accurate representation of EV'S if they are not obtainable.
With a gas car you can always achieve the EPA rating and EV"S should be no different.
Just my take

I am not so sure the EPA Mileage on ICE Cars are very accurate either. Some cars can get close but a
Lot of them are nowhere near their rating. My old Infiniti Q45 sucked big time in that regard by a lot.

 

[Sam6062]

But you CAN beat the EPA rating on the Lucid. 678 miles on 1 charge in fact. TAKE THAT SCIENCE!

I just checked that car went 687.4 miles. Avg speed was Like 24MPH

Watch Lucid Air Set New Hypermiling Record Of 687 Miles

A team of YouTube influencers drove the Lucid Air Dream Edition Range at a constant speed of 27 mph to find out how far it can go on a full battery charge.

insideevs.com

 

[Birdog]

Interested in learning what others best average mi/kwh is on road trips and city driving. Include your model and wheels.
For me with a GT R and 21”wheels is 3.5 for commuting and 3.1 for road trips and this is putting all my brain power into obtaining the best driving conditions I can, honestly taking the fun out of driving imo to get those numbers.

I’m driving a GT with 19 inch wheels. Just completed a 450 mile road trip and averaged 3.9 mi/ kw over and through WA Cascade Mountains, Seattle area to Chelan and back.

 

[DaveyBoyGT]

Then the EPA Standards are not an accurate representation of EV'S if they are not obtainable.
With a gas car you can always achieve the EPA rating and EV"S should be no different.
Just my take

I actually agree with you. The problem is the 0.70 fudge factor that is applied to the test values. I have no idea how they arrived at that. And the factor may be different for EVs because they use regen braking and drive their cars differently than ICE cars. They need to come up with better modelling for EVs. They are trying to apply the same model to EVs as they do for ICE cars. BTW, you can exceed the EPA values under certain circumstances (downhill, large tailwind, etc.) even at highway speeds as some have noted on this forum.

 

[DaveyBoyGT]

I just checked that car went 687.4 miles. Avg speed was Like 24MPH

Watch Lucid Air Set New Hypermiling Record Of 687 Miles

A team of YouTube influencers drove the Lucid Air Dream Edition Range at a constant speed of 27 mph to find out how far it can go on a full battery charge.

insideevs.com

Pretty cool, I saw the video earlier. But I am not driving my Lucid at 24 MPH on the highway. That is a recipe for an accident. There is a reason they have minimum speed limits on some highways. If you drive too far below the speed limit you can be cited for reckless driving.

 

[MikeTz]

The Lucid is our third EV since 2015. One thing I've learned is that EPA ratings are good only for comparing one vehicle to another -- and then only if the two vehicles you're comparing used the same EPA testing method (2-cycle or 5-cycle). The EPA ratings are virtually meaningless for predicting what an individual's real-world mileage will be.

Range and EPA ratings are no concern for me for local driving, which probably constitutes 95% of our use. The longest day I've ever spent in the past seven years running hours of errands has brought me nowhere close to running out of battery juice.

In figuring out whether an EV will have enough range for any long distance trips we anticipate, I use half the EPA-rated range from a 5-cycle test (such as Lucid uses). If I can find recharging stations at intervals no longer than that on the trip, I'll be fine. That figure allows me to protect the battery by charging to no higher than 90% and not drop below 20% (which both protects the battery and leaves a margin for unexpected weather or traffic obstacles along the route), and allows me to drive at interstate speeds around 80 mph to align closely with the flow of traffic.

Currently there is no EV that I would take on a haul across the Rockies or through the Dakotas unless I was sticking entirely to interstates. But outside of that, only the Lucid and our Tesla Model S fit our criteria for road tripping. While the Tesla has less range, that is offset by the ubiquity of Tesla Superchargers. The Lucid's additional range counters the lesser availability of Electrify America charging stations -- and that situation is improving monthly.

I agree.. There is a huge advantage in having an EV capable of 300+ range with a 80% SOC. The charging stations are located 100 plus miles from each other. The extra range offers the ability to skip over one or two out of order locations. That's something you can't do in a 200+ range EV. That's the real value of Lucid's Larger size Battery and efficiency.

 

[borski]

I believe lucid used the 2 Cycle test and not 5 Cycle. Is there a place where we can verify this. From the article I had read it appears that the 2 Cycle is the easier test and they used it and perhaps so did Tesla. They truly imitate Tesla whenever they can. That is all Rawlinson knows.

Uh, he also ran Lotus engineering and designed the suspensions at Jaguar, along with the Model S, so Tesla is definitely not “all Rawlinson knows.”

Let’s not get histrionic, hm?

 

[borski]

Then the EPA Standards are not an accurate representation of EV'S if they are not obtainable.
With a gas car you can always achieve the EPA rating and EV"S should be no different.
Just my take

But that’s just the thing - it *is* attainable, just affected by many factors, as we’ve shown countless times on this forum. And most of those factors affect *every* car, not just EVs.

I don’t know why we keep repeating this broken record. Plenty of us have no problem hitting the EPA mileage, or close to it.

I, who drive like I’m on too many stimulants at once, don’t hit it when I’m driving like that. But when road-tripping, I get a lot closer.

ACC hurts it, because it doesn’t use regen, as discovered in the Bay Area caravan test.

Can we just end this discussion? It’s banal, at this point - drive the car like you want to extend mileage, and it just may. Drive it aggressively, and it won’t.

 

[GEWC]

can I have your car lol the best I gotten is 3.4

I'm pretty sure it is just me. Plus I am on 19s. As I have said many times, I have enjoyed testing and playing with this car to see how much range I can get. I figure if driving style affects the break in period in any way, I am going to help it be the most efficient it can be.

 

[Sam6062]

But that’s just the thing - it *is* attainable, just affected by many factors, as we’ve shown countless times on this forum. And most of those factors affect *every* car, not just EVs.

I don’t know why we keep repeating this broken record. Plenty of us have no problem hitting the EPA mileage, or close to it.

I, who drive like I’m on too many stimulants at once, don’t hit it when I’m driving like that. But when road-tripping, I get a lot closer.

ACC hurts it, because it doesn’t use regen, as discovered in the Bay Area caravan test.

Can we just end this discussion? It’s banal, at this point - drive the car like you want to extend mileage, and it just may. Drive it aggressively, and it won’t.

I am ending it

 

[milgauss]

REMINDER: Lucid tech confirmed the car is NOT calculating/displaying the correct mi/kwh. I would not worry too much about being in low 3s until after that bug is fixed. My car never gets above 3.2-ish, but all my data logs were pulled, and my car is working perfectly.

 

[niceguy]

For those who are focused on range, there is good news

Lucid Air Set New Hypermiling Record Of 687 Miles​

Watch Lucid Air Set New Hypermiling Record Of 687 Miles

A team of YouTube influencers drove the Lucid Air Dream Edition Range at a constant speed of 27 mph to find out how far it can go on a full battery charge.

insideevs.com

 

[hydbob]

Here's a new data point, went 239 miles on 64% charge, driving 82, in 100 degree heat.

Went from Pasadena to Firebaugh nonstop

At 33% SOC, was able to start at 250kw at the EA in Firebaugh, Panoche shell

 

[Demosthenes]

Here's a new data point, went 239 miles on 64% charge, driving 82, in 100 degree heat.

Went from Pasadena to Firebaugh nonstop

That’s slightly over 80% EPA projected. Pretty good imo!

 

[DeaneG]

Here's a new data point, went 239 miles on 64% charge, driving 82, in 100 degree heat.

Went from Pasadena to Firebaugh nonstop

At 33% SOC, was able to start at 250kw at the EA in Firebaugh, Panoche shell

That's a very practical distance to remember between charge stops on a long road trip - 80% charge down to 15%, at 82mph , at 100F = 240 miles between stops. Panoche Shell has to be the most armpit-like charging stop between Los Banos and San Diego on I-5. Six chargers shoehorned behind a gas station with an iffy restroom . At least it was last time we visited.