2025 Taycan range and charging

[momo3605]

at 50mph with no HVAC

Is that any different from trying to get 450 miles in an Air?

 

[hydbob]

Is that any different from trying to get 450 miles in an Air?

Yea, you just drop the speed to 50, but at least you can maintain HVAC for the 9+ HOURS you will be stuck in the car...

 

[Halodde]

at 50mph with no HVAC

The EPA test is only 60 mph though, correct? And I can't determine if there's any regulations on HVAC use in EPA testing. So, I imagine manufacturers will not use HVAC to maximize the range outcome of the test

 

[Halodde]

Is that any different from trying to get 450 miles in an Air?

That's what I'm trying to figure out. Certainly no comparison to a GT or dream. But it has to be a stretch for a Touring or pure to get that range even under ideal conditions

 

[momo3605]

That's what I'm trying to figure out. Certainly no comparison to a GT or dream. But it has to be a stretch for a Touring or pure to get that range even under ideal conditions

You have to resort to hypermiling to get 450 in a GT as well. Given that most people average 3-3.5 miles/kwh at normal driving speeds and comfy hvac, that’s <400 even on a GT. I’m not saying you can’t get 450 in a GT but you have to drive uncomfortably slow and hvac set to something too high in the summer in order to get there

And forgot about it with a Touring/Pure, no way anyone will be able to do 450 in any conditions.

 

[DeaneG]

The EPA test is only 60 mph though, correct? And I can't determine if there's any regulations on HVAC use in EPA testing. So, I imagine manufacturers will not use HVAC to maximize the range outcome of the test

Far lower - EPA average speed is ~45mph. HVAC is used during some portions.

Here’s how the EPA calculates how far an EV can go on a full charge

Ever wonder how an EV's official range estimate is calculated? Wonder no more.

arstechnica.com

 

[LucidPez]

You have to resort to hypermiling to get 450 in a GT as well. Given that most people average 3-3.5 miles/kwh at normal driving speeds and comfy hvac, that’s <400 even on a GT. I’m not saying you can’t get 450 in a GT but you have to drive uncomfortably slow and hvac set to something too high in the summer in order to get there

And forgot about it with a Touring/Pure, no way anyone will be able to do 450 in any conditions.

Hypermiling a GT would get far far more than 450. Especially when a Dream Edition got 687 via hypermiling. Even this Out of Spec video isnt true hypermiling w/ the Porsche.

Out of Spec also did a 70mph range test on a GT and had AC on and still got 435. And he set climate to 68 degrees.

Edmunds claims they have done three tests through their long term drive with the car. 425 miles, 438 miles and 465 miles. They are also not hypermiling.

 

[no gas]

at 50mph with no HVAC

That explains it....but still good for compeitition.

 

[momo3605]

Hypermiling a GT would get far far more than 450. Especially when a Dream Edition got 687 via hypermiling. Even this Out of Spec video isnt true hypermiling w/ the Porsche.

Out of Spec also did a 70mph range test on a GT and had AC on and still got 435. And he set climate to 68 degrees.

Edmunds claims they have done three tests through their long term drive with the car. 425 miles, 438 miles and 465 miles. They are also not hypermiling.

my point is if the Taycan is hypermiling then so are the GT tests. Yes technically it’s not hypermiling but still very hard to actually drive that slow for so long lol. I’d call it moderate-miling in that case

 

[LucidPez]

my point is if the Taycan is hypermiling then so are the GT tests. Yes technically it’s not hypermiling but still very hard to actually drive that slow for so long lol. I’d call it moderate-miling in that case

What? Edmund’s tells people how they test and get their numbers and I just noted the OOS 70mph test and how they test is in their video.

How are the GT ones anything like this? This one literally is no AC and over inflating on tires.

In fact other reviewers also noted that Porsche put all tires at Max PSI and not even the standard recommended range that people get their tires or should keep them at lol.

Like I get it that you are extremely critical of Lucid and the range, I agree. We should be. But 90% of the posts from you here are just rebuttals for the sake of rebuttals because you have a chip on your shoulder it seems.

 

[momo3605]

What? Edmund’s tells people how they test and get their numbers and I just noted the OOS 70mph test and how they test is in their video.

How are the GT ones anything like this? This one literally is no AC and over inflating on tires.

In fact other reviewers also noted that Porsche put all tires at Max PSI and not even the standard recommended range that people get their tires or should keep them at lol.

Like I get it that you are extremely critical of Lucid and the range, I agree. We should be. But 90% of the posts from you here are just rebuttals for the sake of rebuttals because you have a chip on your shoulder it seems.

They did run HVAC in eco mode, that doesn’t mean off…and they ran it up and down the grapevine. Everyone is quick to point out how hills driving destroys range. Anyway, I don’t think anyone drives like any of these tests. Look at the range threads here, the average is about 3 miles/kwh. I am critical of Lucid’s range because their motors are only efficient in such a narrow range. think real world driving makes these cars pretty weak in the efficiency regard.

So in my opinion, In the real world this will be a 300-350 mile car like I mentioned in my OP. Which is pretty good. I also already mentioned it’s not a competitor to the lucid. The lucid and Taycan are not purchased by the same kind of person. These kind of products only help to push the technology forward. 14 minute 5-80% charging and 350 miles of freeway range is nothing to scoff at. It’s a good release and that was my only point in posting.

Anyway, your point is fair, I’ll try to keep my criticisms of the supposedly most advanced and highly efficient 250-270 mile touring to myself.

 

[koflo]

They did run HVAC in eco mode, that doesn’t mean off…and they ran it up and down the grapevine. Everyone is quick to point out how hills driving destroys range. Anyway, I don’t think anyone drives like any of these tests. Look at the range threads here, the average is about 3 miles/kwh. I am critical of Lucid’s range because their motors are only efficient in such a narrow range. think real world driving makes these cars pretty weak in the efficiency regard.

So in my opinion, In the real world this will be a 300-350 mile car like I mentioned in my OP. Which is pretty good. I also already mentioned it’s not a competitor to the lucid. The lucid and Taycan are not purchased by the same kind of person. These kind of products only help to push the technology forward. 14 minute 5-80% charging and 350 miles of freeway range is nothing to scoff at. It’s a good release and that was my only point in posting.

Anyway, your point is fair, I’ll try to keep my criticisms of the supposedly most advanced and highly efficient 250-270 mile touring to myself.

To be fair I’d buy both a taycan and Lucid. They have different feels to them. I would love if my girlfriend switched to a taycan rather than her model 3 but I enjoy having a Tesla in the house too. I’m just an EV nerd though that wants a bunch of EVs at once but too poor for that. One day… one day.

 

[no gas]

They did run HVAC in eco mode, that doesn’t mean off…and they ran it up and down the grapevine. Everyone is quick to point out how hills driving destroys range. Anyway, I don’t think anyone drives like any of these tests. Look at the range threads here, the average is about 3 miles/kwh. I am critical of Lucid’s range because their motors are only efficient in such a narrow range. think real world driving makes these cars pretty weak in the efficiency regard.

So in my opinion, In the real world this will be a 300-350 mile car like I mentioned in my OP. Which is pretty good. I also already mentioned it’s not a competitor to the lucid. The lucid and Taycan are not purchased by the same kind of person. These kind of products only help to push the technology forward. 14 minute 5-80% charging and 350 miles of freeway range is nothing to scoff at. It’s a good release and that was my only point in posting.

Anyway, your point is fair, I’ll try to keep my criticisms of the supposedly most advanced and highly efficient 250-270 mile touring to myself.

Lucid has the best efficiency, you can easily get 3.5 miles per kWh. Don’t know where your 250 mile touring range is coming from. Drive like a lunatic, yes you will get 250 mile range. Drive sensibly within speed limits, I easily get 3.5 - 3.8 miles per kWh. Do the math, 92 x 3.8 = 349.6

You say the ac was on, no it was not. Just the blower.

Lucid is efficient in only a narrow range? Please explain….no vehicle is efficient if you drive like a lunatic, I’m not implying you do, just generalizing. And I’ve been guilty of driving like a lunatic at times, just saying.

 

[momo3605]

Lucid has the best efficiency, you can easily get 3.5 miles per kWh. Don’t know where your 250 mile touring range is coming from. Drive like a lunatic, yes you will get 250 mile range. Drive sensibly within speed limits, I easily get 3.5 - 3.8 miles per kWh. Do the math, 92 x 3.8 = 349.6

YOU SAY THE AC was on, no it was not. Just the blower.

I don’t doubt it’s doable, but I average 2.9 miles/kw and that’s just driving slowly to take my daughter to day care and then sitting in slow traffic to work and back. So I rarely drive like a lunatic.

You can look the efficiency thread and polls, the average person on this forum gets ~70% of the stated range, which puts it well under 300.

I am curious what kind of conditions and driving do you do to get 3.5-3.8? I can not for the life of me get there.

In my rivian with the efficiency sapping all terrains, I get above the epa stated range without issue (2.4 miles/kw), and I was able to average 4 miles/kw in similar traffic patterns in my model 3 performance putting me within 10% of the epa range so I’m pretty sure I don’t drive crazy lol

 

[Bunnylebowski]

What? Edmund’s tells people how they test and get their numbers and I just noted the OOS 70mph test and how they test is in their video.

How are the GT ones anything like this? This one literally is no AC and over inflating on tires.

In fact other reviewers also noted that Porsche put all tires at Max PSI and not even the standard recommended range that people get their tires or should keep them at lol.

Like I get it that you are extremely critical of Lucid and the range, I agree. We should be. But 90% of the posts from you here are just rebuttals for the sake of rebuttals because you have a chip on your shoulder it seems.

Yes, It’s just really not a way to have a dialog, being perpetually contrarian. And then to drive home your point, the post following yours ignores your facts to add more contrarian conjecture. I have no negative things to say about the car’s range, I don’t know why some get so hung up on it.

 

[momo3605]

Yes, It’s just really not a way to have a dialog, being perpetually contrarian. And then to drive home your point, the post following yours ignores your facts to add more contrarian conjecture. I have no negative things to say about the car’s range, I don’t know why some get so hung up on it.

I mentioned the poll. Is this conjecture to you? Is your personal opinion more valid than the 278 votes here?

Or the fact that the top 5 threads(and the overall majority of threads) in the efficiency forum are of people not able to get anywhere close to stated range.

Or the fact that motortrend and car and driver that have tested the Pure/Touring have only ever managed 280-300 miles.

What are facts to you?
I’d also like to know how many other EVs you’ve owned and what your experience with efficiency is.

 

[LucidPez]

My GV60 got about 85% of the EPA range. My Audi got more during the summers but during 60 degree winters in SoCal it is only getting about 84%.

My Mach-E would get exactly on the nose for EPA.

But I think the issue is that the EPA doesnt have a consistent set of rules for manufacturers and some choose conservative or liberal figures and then the real world range gets exposed in many of these tests we see from outlets and users themselves. There just needs to be a massive overhaul on that.

 

[momo3605]

My GV60 got about 85% of the EPA range. My Audi got more during the summers but during 60 degree winters in SoCal it is only getting about 84%.

My Mach-E would get exactly on the nose for EPA.

But I think the issue is that the EPA doesnt have a consistent set of rules for manufacturers and some choose conservative or liberal figures and then the real world range gets exposed in many of these tests we see from outlets and users themselves. There just needs to be a massive overhaul on that.

I didn’t realize you weren’t an owner yet. Will love to hear your experience with range and efficiency when you get it given you’ve owned a couple different EVs. Which etron did you have? SUV or GT?

I’ve owned a Volt, Bolt, i3, model 3 SR+, model 3 Performance, and a Rivian. Lucid’s been by far the worst from its rated range. I do a feel a little duped, prior to buying I thought the lucid would at least do 300 in normal driving conditions. After vampire drain, I’m lucky to get 200-250/charge. Only after I started spending time here did a realize it’s actually normal.

 

[thecodingart]

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a46616975/2025-porsche-taycan-prototype-range-test/

Pretty impressive! 340 miles of freeway range from a 90kwh battery and 16 minute charge back to 80%.

I’m glad to see more and more cars delivering over 300 miles of consistent highway driving range

Yeah. So Out of Spec just got somewhere in the ballpark of 4.5-5 mi/kWh in the pre-production facelift Taycan.

If they confirm the Taycan supports Apple's Car Key (doubtful) and if they were to remove the start/stop button + regen breaking requirements (have to toggle it each and every time the vehicle is driven), I would trade in my Lucid for this in a heartbeat.

 

[Lucken]

I didn’t realize you weren’t an owner yet. Will love to hear your experience with range and efficiency when you get it given you’ve owned a couple different EVs. Which etron did you have? SUV or GT?

I’ve owned a Volt, Bolt, i3, model 3 SR+, model 3 Performance, and a Rivian. Lucid’s been by far the worst from its rated range. I do a feel a little duped, prior to buying I thought the lucid would at least do 300 in normal driving conditions. After vampire drain, I’m lucky to get 200-250/charge. Only after I started spending time here did a realize it’s actually normal.

I’ve had the following EVs:
Tesla MS
Jaguar I-Pace
Audi e-Tron
Genesis electrified G80
BMW i4
Lucid Pure AWD

I have not changed my driving habits with any of these EVs, I drive them all the same. There is zero question, zero, that the Lucid is far and away the most efficient of any I’ve owned. My lifetime average is 4.1 as of today. It was obviously higher prior to the onset of winter.

Why yours is so poor driving relatively conservatively as you seem to imply is beyond me.