Gravity test drive

TahoeMichael said:

I think society will insist on autonomous vehicles proving they're much safer than a human driver. Our tolerance for robots accidentally killing people is probably much lower than our tolerance for humans doing so.

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jered said:

This is where the Waymo statistics really shine: https://waymo.com/safety/impact/

Since this is a fully driverless system, these numbers aren't cooked in the same way as Tesla's are. These are miles on city streets and highways, and normalized for drive type. Really impressive stuff. Also a long way from being available everywhere, or being available on a personal vehicle.

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borski said:

This is probably true, tbh. We didn’t have issues with our key fob - if you look at the center console, there’s a little indent where they intend for you store the key fob while you drive. You don’t have to do that though.

If it doesn’t recognize the key fob (which it did for us maybe twice in like four months, because we had left it sitting idle for a while), the car tells you simply to shake the key fob slightly to wake it up. Sometimes I’d just hit the unlock button or the lock and unlock button.

Basically, the key fob eventually falls asleep if left idle, to save battery. Moving it or pressing any button wakes it up.

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JeffSter said:

Future fob update… rechargable fob with charger built into car or apple watch style magnet at home…

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TahoeMichael said:

I don't understand why key fobs are hard. Isn't this a solved problem, for many years now? The fob for my Toyota is quite compact, the battery lasts for years, the only circumstance it's ever failed me is from that battery wearing out, at which point the fob still has a key folded into it. I hope the Gravity is dramatically improved from the Air in this regard.

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DeaneG said:

They just chose the wrong vendor.
Gravity's key system is all new, unrelated to the Air's.

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TahoeMichael said:

I think if Tesla didn't have their somewhat ambiguous marketing that tends to oversell FSD as being autonomous driving, then you might not find so many people pushing back against it. As an ADAS system, it's pretty good. There are some concerning incidents of it misbehaving too rapidly and severely for the driver to seize control. But to be fair, those incidents seem to be very rare. As an engineer, I prefer my life-critical systems to have more of a safety-first engineering approach than Tesla has taken. But I know not everyone sees it the way I do.

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gamix said:

I like to drive, only want L2 otherwise. After testing Gravity, in Burlington MA, I wanted to share a couple notes.

I'm near the end of a search, having driven R1S, EQS, EX90, EV9, Lyriq, Hummer & Sierra. This is about suspension, coming from coil MS's (yup, older). Burlington had the tri-chamber air setup ($2900). I'm fearful, because, per "the internet", the single-chamber air setup is closer to perma-"Smooth", which in tri-air I found too soft, like in EV9, and EX90; a mode for long highway, or winter, but not especially composed, or damped, when changing direction. The feeling isn't like a hurtling brick, where you become keenly aware of GM's 8.5k lb, Ultium's weight, but I was conscious of 6-7k lbs floating. We were in "Smooth" most, then "Swift", a bit, then "Sprint" for a couple acceleration runs. Never highway. Honestly, think I'd leave a gravity in "Sprint" almost full time because the ride felt more accurate without being harsh.

Here in MA, Rivian's Charlestown location sends you out on some rough, urban, stuff. Like I said, I'm sort of a coils/shocks guy, but on two drives (RT and RS) I'm smitten by their air suspension. It's the only one that has me looking up air, and hydraulic, bleeding equipment, since I'm a long haul owner with a nicely fitted garage. Gravity offers way more, in each of range, charging and efficiency, but between a la carte steering wheel heat, L2'ish DDrive Prem, and having to opt for Tri-air in my case, it's another jump. Worth the added luxury? Acceleration kept grabbing/punching past what I'd guess was ~65, before a little ABS chatter back down. I won't echo other desirables. I had a similar driving experience in the Lyriq on a rotary, thinking its 6k lb might drive like a 3.6k lb Chevy Volt. Wrong. Here, don't go in thinking a Gravity will be a "minivan that drives like a car". It suits more thoroughly chilling out, where the cabin excels.

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Sandvinsd said:

Glad you have one In Tyson’s corner. Still waiting to see a Gravity for a test drive down in San Diego. Likely several more months at least before they have one in the studio.

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gamix said:

I like to drive, only want L2 otherwise. After testing Gravity, in Burlington MA, I wanted to share a couple notes.

I'm near the end of a search, having driven R1S, EQS, EX90, EV9, Lyriq, Hummer & Sierra. This is about suspension, coming from coil MS's (yup, older). Burlington had the tri-chamber air setup ($2900). I'm fearful, because, per "the internet", the single-chamber air setup is closer to perma-"Smooth", which in tri-air I found too soft, like in EV9, and EX90; a mode for long highway, or winter, but not especially composed, or damped, when changing direction. The feeling isn't like a hurtling brick, where you become keenly aware of GM's 8.5k lb, Ultium's weight, but I was conscious of 6-7k lbs floating. We were in "Smooth" most, then "Swift", a bit, then "Sprint" for a couple acceleration runs. Never highway. Honestly, think I'd leave a gravity in "Sprint" almost full time because the ride felt more accurate without being harsh.

Here in MA, Rivian's Charlestown location sends you out on some rough, urban, stuff. Like I said, I'm sort of a coils/shocks guy, but on two drives (RT and RS) I'm smitten by their air suspension. It's the only one that has me looking up air, and hydraulic, bleeding equipment, since I'm a long haul owner with a nicely fitted garage. Gravity offers way more, in each of range, charging and efficiency, but between a la carte steering wheel heat, L2'ish DDrive Prem, and having to opt for Tri-air in my case, it's another jump. Worth the added luxury? Acceleration kept grabbing/punching past what I'd guess was ~65, before a little ABS chatter back down. I won't echo other desirables. I had a similar driving experience in the Lyriq on a rotary, thinking its 6k lb might drive like a 3.6k lb Chevy Volt. Wrong. Here, don't go in thinking a Gravity will be a "minivan that drives like a car". It suits more thoroughly chilling out, where the cabin excels.

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