Gravity test drive

[TahoeMichael]

I don’t need 100% safety. I just want it not to make mistakes I wouldn’t have made. I don’t stop randomly in the middle of the road by slamming on my brakes with nothing in front of me.

I just need it to be at least as good as or better than me. I’m not 100% safe.

But I’m definitely safer than FSD today. YMMV.

I think society will insist on autonomous vehicles proving they're much safer than a human driver. Our tolerance for robots accidentally killing people is probably much lower than our tolerance for humans doing so. Most people seem to know at least one person who has been seriously injured or killed in a car accident, so I think acceptance of autonomous vehicles will become quite wide spread once it's clear that they're much safer. But I think the government should be requiring more data transparency from autonomous vehicles companies than it currently does. Secrecy about the data rightly makes people wonder if the companies are hiding something.

 

[jered]

I think society will insist on autonomous vehicles proving they're much safer than a human driver. Our tolerance for robots accidentally killing people is probably much lower than our tolerance for humans doing so.

This is where the Waymo statistics really shine: https://waymo.com/safety/impact/

Since this is a fully driverless system, these numbers aren't cooked in the same way as Tesla's are. These are miles on city streets and highways, and normalized for drive type. Really impressive stuff. Also a long way from being available everywhere, or being available on a personal vehicle.

 

[TahoeMichael]

This is where the Waymo statistics really shine: https://waymo.com/safety/impact/

Since this is a fully driverless system, these numbers aren't cooked in the same way as Tesla's are. These are miles on city streets and highways, and normalized for drive type. Really impressive stuff. Also a long way from being available everywhere, or being available on a personal vehicle.

Yeah, I think Waymo's approach to safety and building confidence in their system is a better one. I've never tried to look into what Mercedes is doing for their autonomous driving. It'd be interesting to know how they approach data transparency.

 

[JeffSter]

This is probably true, tbh. We didn’t have issues with our key fob - if you look at the center console, there’s a little indent where they intend for you store the key fob while you drive. You don’t have to do that though.

If it doesn’t recognize the key fob (which it did for us maybe twice in like four months, because we had left it sitting idle for a while), the car tells you simply to shake the key fob slightly to wake it up. Sometimes I’d just hit the unlock button or the lock and unlock button.

Basically, the key fob eventually falls asleep if left idle, to save battery. Moving it or pressing any button wakes it up.

Future fob update… rechargable fob with charger built into car or apple watch style magnet at home…

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

Future fob update… rechargable fob with charger built into car or apple watch style magnet at home…

No idea why they need fobs at all. Give the card for emergencies/dead phone, then use PAAK and, if you can, waak. So much easier. I’ve never used my fob for Lucid or Rivian.

 

[TahoeMichael]

I don't understand why key fobs are hard. Isn't this a solved problem, for many years now? The fob for my Toyota is quite compact, the battery lasts for years, the only circumstance it's ever failed me is from that battery wearing out, at which point the fob still has a key folded into it. I hope the Gravity is dramatically improved from the Air in this regard.

 

[DeaneG]

I don't understand why key fobs are hard. Isn't this a solved problem, for many years now? The fob for my Toyota is quite compact, the battery lasts for years, the only circumstance it's ever failed me is from that battery wearing out, at which point the fob still has a key folded into it. I hope the Gravity is dramatically improved from the Air in this regard.

They just chose the wrong vendor.
Gravity's key system is all new, unrelated to the Air's.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

They just chose the wrong vendor.
Gravity's key system is all new, unrelated to the Air's.

I think Fisher-Price “my first fob” was the vendor for the Air…

 

[iThinkEV]

I think if Tesla didn't have their somewhat ambiguous marketing that tends to oversell FSD as being autonomous driving, then you might not find so many people pushing back against it. As an ADAS system, it's pretty good. There are some concerning incidents of it misbehaving too rapidly and severely for the driver to seize control. But to be fair, those incidents seem to be very rare. As an engineer, I prefer my life-critical systems to have more of a safety-first engineering approach than Tesla has taken. But I know not everyone sees it the way I do.

Oh, in no way do I think it's ready for full autonomy. for most of my commute and road trip needs, it does a pretty good job helping me, I pay attention, but feel refresh at the end of a 6 to 8 hour drive.

-iThinkEV-