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Adnillien said:
I just received a call from the Scottsdale studio telling me that they have a Gravity in studio for people to come in and checkout.
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Did they say anything about test drives?
Last week, I sent an email to the SA who called 2 weeks after I placed the reservation but he's yet to respond.
This brings back memories when I had 2 Air reservations but could never get a test drive.
 
Adnillien said:
I know that there is only a very small number of people yelling incompetence or negligence at every issue Lucid encounters. I must say that I do find it annoying and I hope that you let us know the number of EVs that you have had a major role in designing, producing or handling the supply chain for. I suspect that there are some very well experienced forum members but I also doubt that they are the ones yelling negligence or incompetence.

With respect to the HUD, how do you know the HUD is the constraint rather than some related component? The HUD shows normal availability on the KSA site but shows fall availability on the US site. Is that a mistake in the sites or is that an indication that the HUD hardware itself may not be the problem. @nicktwork told us that the wiring harness was different with HUD and that is the reason dynamic ambient lighting is not available without the HUD. I don't know if the wiring harnesses are different between US and KSA but it would not surprise me given the slightly different regulations.

I do wish that Lucid could ramp Gravity faster and I agree the slow ramp is a poor look. Seriously, there is no negligence or incompetence going on here.
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So, if I bought a Gravity with HUD. Somewhere down the road, it craps out. Is it replaceable/repairable? If it is, why is it not possible to ship cars now with the HUD harness and install the HUD units later a(aat Lucid's expense)?

I think your point RE: KSA cars have HUD, hence one surmises that the HUD unit by itself is not the limiter?

Lucid's explanations and lack consistent actions fuel the speculation. Lucid should just come clean and tell us what's going on!
 
Adnillien said:
Still no word on test drive cars but it is a good sign that studios are getting show cars.
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Natick told me they’re getting test drive Gravity “soon”, they’re just getting the studio one first. They’re actually delivering a Gravity DE this week I think?
 
BS8899 said:
So, if I bought a Gravity with HUD. Somewhere down the road, it craps out. Is it replaceable/repairable? If it is, why is it not possible to ship cars now with the HUD harness and install the HUD units later a(aat Lucid's expense)?

I think your point RE: KSA cars have HUD, hence one surmises that the HUD unit by itself is not the limiter?

Lucid's explanations and lack consistent actions fuel the speculation. Lucid should just come clean and tell us what's going on!
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This article is about the role that voltage (in the case of current Tesla superchargers) plays in charging time.
Kudos to Lucid for knowing that and adjusting accordingly.

I already posted in Gravity/Charging section, but the point of my post here is, as complaints about Lucid production challenges continue, minus the lack of communication, a key aspect of Lucid's journey that is perhaps forgotten by some is that Lucid did not evolve like luxury brand such as Lexus (from Toyota) and Genesis (from Hyundai).

I can remember in the late 80's when Hyundai was concerned cheap, low quality. Before that, the same with Toyota.
Those two brands, over time, improved their quality and their production processes and progressed to adding a luxury brand.
Porsche was luxury at a low scale of production; Volkswagon changed that.

Lucid came with luxury straight out the gate; not a small feat.
The article below shows me this company may have some issues (communication), but engineering or technology isn't one of them.

I've said this before, some just need to manage their expectations and be honest with themselves.
Early adoption isn't for everyone.
If you can't take it, go buy an EV9 or Ioniq9; not bad choices at all.
Not knocking those buyers. Consider your goals/needs/expectations and proceed accordingly.

For some, it's a basic of life; you can't always get what you want even after you've been told that.
You can't get the HUD retrofitted at a later time.
Lucid told us that.

Never been a car guy.
Never saw a reason to be an early car adopter, but dang it, this forum and ev may turn me into both!

Sometimes we don't like the truth, but ...
Perhaps ...

Screenshot 2025-05-31 at 7.41.11 PM.webp
 
That VIN was >10,000 - so that implies that 10,000+ Gravity have been made so, yeah, I guess they’re all going to KSA…Even if there were 500 in the flyovers, there are 9,500 somewhere else…
 
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BS8899 said:
So, if I bought a Gravity with HUD. Somewhere down the road, it craps out. Is it replaceable/repairable? If it is, why is it not possible to ship cars now with the HUD harness and install the HUD units later a(aat Lucid's expense)?

I think your point RE: KSA cars have HUD, hence one surmises that the HUD unit by itself is not the limiter?

Lucid's explanations and lack consistent actions fuel the speculation. Lucid should just come clean and tell us what's going on!
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I think Lucid has already addressed this in a reasonable way. They've said that they're supply chain limited on HUD hardware, that they're prioritizing the Dream edition for HUD for now, and that it will be available on GTs in the fall. They've made a perfectly reasonable decision to not ship partially built vehicles and then try and insert the HUD component(s) during a service call. You may prefer that they have decided some other approach, but there's nothing crazy about the stance they've adopted.
 
Bunnylebowski said:
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Good laugh! Thanks...

@Bunnylebowski, I think you are in the medical field, correct? Actually, almost all of my family work in the medical field (Pathologists, Biochemists, Dentists, Infectious Diease experts, etc.). As such, I identify with that! I was trained as a Biomedical Eingineer, and I worked as a Bioedical Engineering Professor. I spent most of my career in high tech, not in Bio Science, but working on cutting-edge hi-tech products. My comments, whether you agreed with them or not, are rooted in many years of hard-grinding experience in bring leading-edge products into production and revenue generation.

I wasn't born with those genes. I worked by the school of hard knocks. I am a big fan of HiTech and what Lucid is trying to accomplish. That said, I've seen the trials and tribulations of many high tech promises that fell on their faces because they didn't have the disciplene to execute. The euphoria of "gee-wiz" aside, ramping high-tech products into high volume production, with the quality, reliability and finacial returns that can sustain the industry is no small task. It is not for the faint-of-heart!

Lucid has the mechnical innovation down pat! But when it comes to SW and ramping products and SW, they are still "babe-in-the-woods". At its current trajectory, they are going to be a Lotus or a Jaugar!

I owned a Lucid AGT since Nov 2022. I am also a Lucid (and Rivian) shared holder. I know the trials and tribulations of developing and ramping complex high tech products. Regardless of one's romatic views, ultimately, you have to deliver the goods and pay the bills!

We have the same agenda, see Lucid successful! But just kind words and pampering won't do the job. Lucid needs to grow up and be a company that delivers what it promises, not just a vision!
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
That VIN was >10,000 - so that implies that 10,000+ Gravity have been made so, yeah, I guess they’re all going to KSA…Even if there were 500 in the flyovers, there are 9,500 somewhere else…
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As we learned from the Air, Lucid does not do sequential VINs. The VIN gives no information the number of deliveries.
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
Can you give us a sense of your VIN number/range?
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VINs are not sequential; they are random (well, the last six unique digits, anyway), on purpose.
 
Adnillien said:
I must say that I do find it annoying and I hope that you let us know the number of EVs that you have had a major role in designing, producing or handling the supply chain for.
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So do I have to be a cook to leave a review for a restaurant?
 
gladtbx said:
So do I have to be a cook to leave a review for a restaurant?
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No. And if they didn’t serve you food, or got you sick, complain away.

But if they ran out of carrots and served you something else instead and you got incensed? That would very much be a review I ignored, *especially* if they stated it before you ordered.

If you decided the food was delicious but the chef was incompetent because he used an immersion blender instead of a Vitamix because Vitamix had supply issues? Another review I’d ignore.

Not all “reviews” or opinions are made equal. I guarantee you the chef cares more about the review from someone who ate his or her food than someone who looked at him serve it from outside the restaurant and formed an opinion based on that.

It is absolute absurdity at this point to claim Lucid is ignorant or incompetent. Not that awards mean everything, but if it isn’t patently obvious (no pun intended) that Lucid isn’t incompetent, we don’t have common ground there.

You could maybe make that argument about software, if you were speaking solely about their infotainment software, and then I might disagree, but at least you could form a valid argument.

Look - it is not hard to figure out what happened with the HUD. It is one of two things:
  1. There were not enough parts available, whether suddenly or not, for some reason that hasn’t been disclosed yet. Maybe tariffs, maybe something else.
  2. The parts that were received were not of consistent enough quality, and Lucid cares too much about quality to release a bad HUD. This is the challenge of building something new, and relying on external suppliers.
You know what it definitely isn’t though? That Lucid didn’t think about this until last month.

It is absolutely legit to complain about the lack of communication, the delays in deliveries, etc.
 
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borski said:
It is absolutely legit to complain about the lack of communication, the delays in deliveries, etc.
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Thank you. I just want to make sure I don't need "a major role in designing, producing or handling the supply chain" to complain these.
 
Everyone is reminded to fasten seatbelts, secure their belongings, and ensure their seats and tray tables are in the upright and locked position. This is a journey so please be patient - or not. To Mom and Dad, "Are we there yet?"
 
Ron_Burgundy said:
Agreed. I think their excuse is what they’re trying to do with HUD and AR has not been done before. Basic HUD is simple. Had it in a Pontiac back in the late 90s to see my speed.
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My EQS SUV has ARHUD. It is not new.
 
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