Gravity Delivery Discussion

[WeighingGravity]

My Toyota locks and unlocks just fine.

[ducks]

 

[borski]

My Toyota locks and unlocks just fine.

[ducks]

Cool.

 

[Elfin]

I would hope that 6 months after the first delivery that one could walk up to the car and open the door and start it without touching the key.
Is this really not the case?
My Model 3 initially had issues but that's because Tesla is doing some sort of hack to use bluetooth in a way it wasn't really designed for.

 

[Bdr100]

This is the correct answer. Homelink is a proprietary, non-open system, and if you’d like someone to blame for the future of Homelink, blame Homelink.

You won’t find Lucid as the only manufacturer charging for it.

While I agree that Homelink is to blame for this possible change, Lucid should hopefully include initial 3-4 year subscription cost in car purchase. The idiocy of this is for Homelink to justify a subscription. Once Homelink is installed into a car, there is nothing for them to do with regards to software updates, data uploads to the cloud, monitoring, etc. to justify subscription fees. This is very much like when BMW tried to make heated seats and other luxury features be set up on subscription basis. They were hit with huge backlash and eventually dropped that plan.
This appears to be a final money grab by a company whose patents are about to expire. They are probably worried that a viable competitor will move in to their space in the not too distant future and greatly reduce their monopoly of the market. If they can get enough subscription based systems installed into cars over the next few years, they will be guaranteed subscription income on those cars for the next 8-15 years.

 

[hmp10]

We have had access issues with all three of our recent vehicles:

2018 Honda Odyssey: key fob will occasionally fail to unlock the car, even with a new battery, but problem is very infrequent.

2021 Tesla Model S Plaid: car will occasionally not respond to the key fob either to unlock or to start the car, in which case we have to use the key card to open the door and then rub it over the phone charging pad to start the car. It happens only intermittently, but when it does it can persist for several days before spontaneously resolving.

2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition: in early UX 1.0 days getting the doors to open was a real crap shoot. UX 2.0 reduced the problem, but it is far from resolved. While the fob will now always work, the time during which you have to stand at the door waiting for the handles to activate can vary widely.

The Honda, which has the least frequent issue with the key fob, also has the best backup means of entry: a small physical key that pops out of the fob if needed to unlock the car manually.

 

[L-Dude]

As a point of reference a competitor car the Tesla cybertruck does not have homelink. Therefore it’s not universal. Of course good luck fitting your cybertruck in the garage.

Some Audi models have Homelink (and are very buggy) and others do not, so this isn't a universal thing. To set up my wife's Audi's Homelink, I had to remove a fuse from the rear of the car, program Homelink, then reinstall the fuse. I think some people have unrealistic of how "perfect" Lucid's should be. JMHO

 

[Bdr100]

We have had access issues with all three of our recent vehicles:

2018 Honda Odyssey: key fob will occasionally fail to unlock the car, even with a new battery, but problem is very infrequent.

2021 Tesla Model S Plaid: car will occasionally not respond to the key fob either to unlock or to start the car, in which case we have to use the key card to open the door and then rub it over the phone charging pad to start the car. It happens only intermittently, but when it does it can persist for several days before spontaneously resolving.

2022 Lucid Air Dream Edition: in early UX 1.0 days getting the doors to open was a real crap shoot. UX 2.0 reduced the problem, but it is far from resolved. While the fob will now always work, the time during which you have to stand at the door waiting for the handles to activate can vary widely.

The Honda, which has the least frequent issue with the key fob, also has the best backup means of entry: a small physical key that pops out of the fob if needed to unlock the car manually.

I have not had a car in over 20 years that required me to pull a fob out of my pocket and hit a button to open. Hell, even my daughters 2012 Ford Focus had rock solid reliable keyless entry. The only time I ever had an issue was when I tried to push the fob battery beyond 2 years or so and then ignored the “low remote battery” warning messages.

 

[DrZorro]

Ok, it is great to finally get some early unbiased reviews of the Gravity. The center console issue was probably caused by car being shaken on transport across country and this should definitely be fixed soon. The music services glitch is a little concerning but probably not unexpected for early production cars.

The Homelink issue is a little concerning but since it appears to work mostly well in Airs, we could hope it will work fine on Gravity. The bigger concern is how these cars are being shipped without the needed Homelink hardware. I mean Homelink is not new tech like the infamous HUD.

By far, the biggest concern is the door unlock issues. Reading this forum for the past 6 months has revealed that door lock/unlock issues are by far the biggest complaint for both existing as well as new Air owners. Lucid promised that it was changing to a system similar to what BMW uses and that these issues would be a thing of the past. What I worry now is that Lucid may have replaced the fob but the problem may be something deeper such as proximity sensors and software that may have been carried over from Air to Gravity. On another thread here on the forums I was scolded for complaining about how people keep making excuses and just giving people work arounds for a total crap locking system. It’s kind of like a home builder giving you keys to your new house and then saying “Hey, if these keys don’t work, here is a set of lock picks you can use.”

Update:

So, I can now confirm that the steering wheel reset is both quick (about 30 seconds though I didn't time it) and it did fix the music app disappearing problem.

I also tried pushing on the locked door handle with the key in my pocket. I did unlock the vehicle successfully. That's a victory. However, I don't think you can do the reverse to lock the vehicle by pushing the handle back in (which would be awesome if you could). I still had to pull out the fob and hit the lock button. Please correct me if I can. I was afraid to push the handle too hard as I obviously don't want to break it.

 

[DrZorro]

Some Audi models have Homelink (and are very buggy) and others do not, so this isn't a universal thing. To set up my wife's Audi's Homelink, I had to remove a fuse from the rear of the car, program Homelink, then reinstall the fuse. I think some people have unrealistic of how "perfect" Lucid's should be. JMHO

Haha...thanks for reminding me of that wound from years ago when I got my Audi RS 5. I couldn't get the Homelink to sync with my garage door until I did a lot of googling and found out about the fuse pull trick. I was able to program it after that. I did work flawlessly ever since after that though.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

Why does one need Homelink for their garage door at all? Our R1S doesn’t have homelink and opens the garage fine with whatever system they use. Our 2022 X opens and closes the garage without homelink. We didn’t want to pay for it so we use whatever the Tesla tech is.

The tech to set it up is easy and has been around forever (get car in receiving mode, point garage opener at car, lights blink, all done). I don’t understand how/why homelink is needed…

 

[Bus Driver]

Why does one need Homelink for their garage door at all? Our R1S doesn’t have homelink and opens the garage fine with whatever system they use. Our 2022 X opens and closes the garage without homelink. We didn’t want to pay for it so we use whatever the Tesla tech is.

The tech to set it up is easy and has been around forever (get car in receiving mode, point garage opener at car, lights blink, all done). I don’t understand how/why homelink is needed…

I was thinking the same thing. As@borski said earlier, Teslas don't have Homelink. Never had it and probably never will. But Tesla's system allows me to drive up to my house and wait for the garage door to open. Far slicker than Lucid's system where I have to (gasp!), reach over and push a button on a screen.

 

[prgarg]

You don’t - it’s just the difference between the frame rate of the camera and the flicker rate of the LEDs. It’s naked to the human eye, but go take a slo-mo video on your phone of almost any LED bulb in your house; you’ll find they all flicker.

Now I feel dumb... Thanks for explaining it!

 

[Neurio]

Update:

So, I can now confirm that the steering wheel reset is both quick (about 30 seconds though I didn't time it) and it did fix the music app disappearing problem.

I also tried pushing on the locked door handle with the key in my pocket. I did unlock the vehicle successfully. That's a victory. However, I don't think you can do the reverse to lock the vehicle by pushing the handle back in (which would be awesome if you could). I still had to pull out the fob and hit the lock button. Please correct me if I can. I was afraid to push the handle too hard as I obviously don't want to break it.

You can lock by pushing the handle in on the Air, so I'd imagine it's the same with Gravity. You have to push the handle in with a bit of force to both lock and unlock on the Air. It has a lot of give, so you shouldn't be too scared of breaking it (assuming the same setup).

 

[EVCar]

I was thinking the same thing. As@borski said earlier, Teslas don't have Homelink. Never had it and probably never will. But Tesla's system allows me to drive up to my house and wait for the garage door to open. Far slicker than Lucid's system where I have to (gasp!), reach over and push a button on a screen.

I don’t think people are necessarily bound to HomeLink as long as another convenient option is available. The remote clicker is so yesterday, and another device to clutter.

 

[Steve11ca]

I've now been moved to my third VIN. First vehicle still showed In Production (with no promise date) while other vehicles were being delivered. (DE, AG, Tahoe, Stealth, 22/23) They then switched me to a vehicle that was completed and to be shipped to Costa Mesa from the Scottsdale SC, telling me I would have it before the end of the month. Next I was told that I if wanted it before the end of the month, I would have to take a Due Bill to deal with the "imperfections", otherwise it would be another week or two. I was starting to feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy holding the football. Tell me something to get excited about and then change the story. Today they switched me to a third vehicle that apparently has "fewer imperfections" and it will arrive in Torrance tomorrow. Now I'm waiting to find out if delivery will be July 3 or July 7, after they transfer the vehicle to Costa Mesa. Let's see if this is actually the vehicle that gets delivered.

 

[borski]

However, I don't think you can do the reverse to lock the vehicle by pushing the handle back in (which would be awesome if you could). I still had to pull out the fob and hit the lock button. Please correct me if I can. I was afraid to push the handle too hard as I obviously don't want to break it.

You can.

Why does one need Homelink for their garage door at all? Our R1S doesn’t have homelink and opens the garage fine with whatever system they use. Our 2022 X opens and closes the garage without homelink. We didn’t want to pay for it so we use whatever the Tesla tech is.

The tech to set it up is easy and has been around forever (get car in receiving mode, point garage opener at car, lights blink, all done). I don’t understand how/why homelink is needed…

That is good ol’ Homelink, same as on the Air.

 

[DrZorro]

You can.


That is good ol’ Homelink, same as on the Air.

I'll have to try out locking it...wish me luck because I feel like I'm going to have to push pretty hard!

 

[marsarbu]

I've now been moved to my third VIN. First vehicle still showed In Production (with no promise date) while other vehicles were being delivered. (DE, AG, Tahoe, Stealth, 22/23) They then switched me to a vehicle that was completed and to be shipped to Costa Mesa from the Scottsdale SC, telling me I would have it before the end of the month. Next I was told that I if wanted it before the end of the month, I would have to take a Due Bill to deal with the "imperfections", otherwise it would be another week or two. I was starting to feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy holding the football. Tell me something to get excited about and then change the story. Today they switched me to a third vehicle that apparently has "fewer imperfections" and it will arrive in Torrance tomorrow. Now I'm waiting to find out if delivery will be July 3 or July 7, after they transfer the vehicle to Costa Mesa. Let's see if this is actually the vehicle that gets delivered.

Look at it this way: the more you wait, the better they get. Leave the early adopter bug discovery to others.

 

[borski]

I'll have to try out locking it...wish me luck because I feel like I'm going to have to push pretty hard!

You should just have to push until the handle is just slightly past flush.

I could be wrong, but I could swear I’ve tried it and it worked fine. I’ve got “Kenya brain” though, so forgive me if I’m wrong.

 

[DrZorro]

You should just have to push until the handle is just slightly past flush.

I could be wrong, but I could swear I’ve tried it and it worked fine. I’ve got “Kenya brain” though, so forgive me if I’m wrong.

Calling Lucid service now for broken door handle...

J/k

Hope your trip is going well!