Gravity Delivery Discussion

[Bdr100]

Huh? We’re talking about the same Homelink that syncs the car to your garage door clicker? Whether it’s on a screen or a button on the mirror, I don’t see how that’s something Lucid would pay for monthly? For connectivity bandwidth and things like that I actually could understand having a subscription, and I think some automakers subscription features are not unreasonable, but regardless of what other automakers do (please stop with these “my Toyota does that” comments it’s so tiresome and irrelevant), Lucid themselves has this feature, on the Air, so to ship a fully loaded maxed out “all of the features” car after delays to make sure things were right, without getting something to work that Air drivers have had since day one is a bit of a face palm moment to me. I’m not trying to stoke outrage, I’m keeping my Gravity order, but come on, this is like a really basic thing.

Yes, I agree with your frustration on comparisons of Lucid to Toyota. Toyota’s are very reliable due to sticking with old, tried and true tech. They have never been know to push the future. That being said, there are certain basic functions that any moderately upper priced car should do 99.999% of the time
1. Keyless entry unlock
2. Keyless start and shift into drive in the time it takes to buckle seatbelt
3. Keyless lock car and stay locked
No work arounds required.
These are all functions that most all $50K and above cars accomplish with absolute reliability but appear to occasionally be a challenge for Lucid’s.
As for ADAS, my 2016 Mercedes had lane centering ADAS as a $2000 option. Granted, it is not great on curves and you have to tap the gas to wake up when in bumper to bumper traffic, but it delivered on what it promised from day one for a reasonable price. I have sympathy for early Air owners that paid for DDP and are just now finally getting what they paid for 3+ years later. Reminds you of Tesla and FSD.
I’m OK with non-critical features occasionally acting up. The waive your foot under rear bumper to open trunk feature on my Mercedes only works about one out of every 10 tries. The UX on my 21 Mercedes is kind of a mess but it doesn’t affect my daily use or confidence in the car’s reliability. I will be very patient with the more fun features like HUD, Car Play, music services, etc. occasionally having teething issues. But the core open, start, go, charge, lock functions need to be rock solid reliable with NO workarounds required.

 

[borski]

Yes, I agree with your frustration on comparisons of Lucid to Toyota. Toyota’s are very reliable due to sticking with old, tried and true tech. They have never been know to push the future. That being said, there are certain basic functions that any moderately upper priced car should do 99.999% of the time
1. Keyless entry unlock
2. Keyless start and shift into drive in the time it takes to buckle seatbelt
3. Keyless lock car and stay locked
No work arounds required.
These are all functions that most all $50K and above cars accomplish with absolute reliability but appear to occasionally be a challenge for Lucid’s.
As for ADAS, my 2016 Mercedes had lane centering ADAS as a $2000 option. Granted, it is not great on curves and you have to tap the gas to wake up when in bumper to bumper traffic, but it delivered on what it promised from day one for a reasonable price. I have sympathy for early Air owners that paid for DDP and are just now finally getting what they paid for 3+ years later. Reminds you of Tesla and FSD.
I’m OK with non-critical features occasionally acting up. The waive your foot under rear bumper to open trunk feature on my Mercedes only works about one out of every 10 tries. The UX on my 21 Mercedes is kind of a mess but it doesn’t affect my daily use or confidence in the car’s reliability. I will be very patient with the more fun features like HUD, Car Play, music services, etc. occasionally having teething issues. But the core open, start, go, charge, lock functions need to be rock solid reliable with NO workarounds required.

Let’s get back on topic. This has nothing to do with Gravity deliveries or Homelink (which is on-topic because it wasn’t delivered with the DE thus far). There are plenty of other threads to discuss software, but fwiw: #2 and #3 aren’t issues on the air, and none are an issue on Graviry. (#2 was briefly an issue for about a month due to a bad update, but was fixed with 2.7.0)

Back to Gravity please.

 

[hmp10]

I have not had a car in over 20 years that required me to pull a fob out of my pocket and hit a button to open. Hell, even my daughters 2012 Ford Focus had rock solid reliable keyless entry. The only time I ever had an issue was when I tried to push the fob battery beyond 2 years or so and then ignored the “low remote battery” warning messages.

The Honda doesn’t require you to hit anything. You only have to have it within proximity of the car for the doors to unlock.

 

[Bdr100]

Let’s get back on topic. This has nothing to do with Gravity deliveries or Homelink (which is on-topic because it wasn’t delivered with the DE thus far). There are plenty of other threads to discuss software, but fwiw: #2 and #3 aren’t issues on the air, and none are an issue on Graviry. (#2 was briefly an issue for about a month due to a bad update, but was fixed with 2.7.0)

Back to Gravity please

Let’s get back on topic. This has nothing to do with Gravity deliveries or Homelink (which is on-topic because it wasn’t delivered with the DE thus far). There are plenty of other threads to discuss software, but fwiw: #2 and #3 aren’t issues on the air, and none are an issue on Graviry. (#2 was briefly an issue for about a month due to a bad update, but was fixed with 2.7.0)

Back to Gravity please.

Sorry boss. To be fair, DrZorro did mention issues with both locking and unlocking. As for mentioning AIr issues in this Gravity discussion, it is somewhat normal for people to worry that some of the early production issues that the AIr had might be repeated on the Gravity. Hopefully as more Gravity are delivered, we will have a larger sample size and can start to differentiate the one off issues from the potential systemic problems.

 

[Elfin]

Why does one need Homelink for their garage door at all? Our R1S doesn’t have homelink and opens the garage fine with whatever system they use. Our 2022 X opens and closes the garage without homelink. We didn’t want to pay for it so we use whatever the Tesla tech is.

The tech to set it up is easy and has been around forever (get car in receiving mode, point garage opener at car, lights blink, all done). I don’t understand how/why homelink is needed…

The R1S and Model X both have Homelink. It really sounds like you're using Homelink.

 

[jered]

Just joined the forum as I’m expecting my Gravity in Natick shortly and can confirm this - heard the same from my SA.

I'm told the first Northeast delivery happened today at Natick. Yours?

 

[TahoeMichael]

You don’t - it’s just the difference between the frame rate of the camera and the flicker rate of the LEDs. It’s naked to the human eye, but go take a slo-mo video on your phone of almost any LED bulb in your house; you’ll find they all flicker.

It's not a big deal, but I'm surprised they flicker. Household LED bulbs flicker because they're powered by AC current going through cheap LED drivers. I would have thought that a car's LEDs would be powered by an entirely DC circuit, and thus not have a flicker at all. But perhaps there's an AC circuit for lighting in the car? Or maybe I'm not understanding what actually makes LEDs flicker.

 

[jered]

It's not a big deal, but I'm surprised they flicker. Household LED bulbs flicker because they're powered by AC current going through cheap LED drivers. I would have thought that a car's LEDs would be powered by an entirely DC circuit, and thus not have a flicker at all. But perhaps there's an AC circuit for lighting in the car? Or maybe I'm not understanding what actually makes LEDs flicker.

This is often pulse width modulation (PWM) dimming, to manage different light levels. It happens much, much faster, but can still end up beating against the shutter frequency.

 

[borski]

It's not a big deal, but I'm surprised they flicker. Household LED bulbs flicker because they're powered by AC current going through cheap LED drivers. I would have thought that a car's LEDs would be powered by an entirely DC circuit, and thus not have a flicker at all. But perhaps there's an AC circuit for lighting in the car? Or maybe I'm not understanding what actually makes LEDs flicker.

PWM frequency doesn’t exactly match the camera frame rate; that’s all, most likely.

(Inconsistent AC can do it too, but I’m very doubtful that’s what’s happening here)

 

[TahoeMichael]

This is often pulse width modulation (PWM) dimming, to manage different light levels. It happens much, much faster, but can still end up beating against the shutter frequency.

Ah, that makes sense, I hadn't thought about the LEDs being on a dimming circuit.

 

[TahoeMichael]

While I agree that Homelink is to blame for this possible change, Lucid should hopefully include initial 3-4 year subscription cost in car purchase. The idiocy of this is for Homelink to justify a subscription. Once Homelink is installed into a car, there is nothing for them to do with regards to software updates, data uploads to the cloud, monitoring, etc. to justify subscription fees. This is very much like when BMW tried to make heated seats and other luxury features be set up on subscription basis. They were hit with huge backlash and eventually dropped that plan.
This appears to be a final money grab by a company whose patents are about to expire. They are probably worried that a viable competitor will move in to their space in the not too distant future and greatly reduce their monopoly of the market. If they can get enough subscription based systems installed into cars over the next few years, they will be guaranteed subscription income on those cars for the next 8-15 years.

All I know is that I'm not paying a subscription for garage door opening. I'll just keep a garage door remote in the car.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

The R1S and Model X both have Homelink. It really sounds like you're using Homelink.

It’s not mentioned as such on either car’s website and Rivian says they have their “own software” that does it. On Tesla, you can pay for MyQ.

Regardless, I do think it’s relatively old tech that should be included free and on day one. We shall see…

I am surprised CarPlay isn’t working on Gravity yet as it feels like something the Air has had for a while.

Ultimately, I’d rather the basic things work day one and I just don’t want to get stranded.

Sounds like production is ramping and I hope they keep the pace once the quarter ends and don’t slow down at beginning of Q3…

 

[Altitude22]

@DrZorro silly question, did yours come with the mobile charger? Just curious, haven’t heard back from the SA for mine on Monday yet. I have a Level 2 and I know the adapters come with, but haven’t seen anything about a mobile charger.

 

[bicycleguy]

Is this the Gravity delivery thread? If so I'd like to report seeing about 6 of them in the back service area at the Torrance Ca. Lucid dealership. I plan on going back and taking another look.

 

[DrZorro]

@DrZorro silly question, did yours come with the mobile charger? Just curious, haven’t heard back from the SA for mine on Monday yet. I have a Level 2 and I know the adapters come with, but haven’t seen anything about a mobile charger.

The car does come delivered with a NACS mobile charger as well as the two adapter pieces seen in Kyle's Out of Spec video.

 

[DrZorro]

So, I can confirm my fears of a dysfunctional key have been 100% squashed. Kudos to @borski for taking off my training wheels. I can confirm that while having the fob in my pocket, you can push on the door handle to unlock the car and do the reverse to lock it when exiting...all without touching the key! Success! I am a satisfied customer now lol. Oh, and this trick works every time and is immediate.

 

[prgarg]

It’s not mentioned as such on either car’s website and Rivian says they have their “own software” that does it. On Tesla, you can pay for MyQ.

Regardless, I do think it’s relatively old tech that should be included free and on day one. We shall see…

I am surprised CarPlay isn’t working on Gravity yet as it feels like something the Air has had for a while.

Ultimately, I’d rather the basic things work day one and I just don’t want to get stranded.

Sounds like production is ramping and I hope they keep the pace once the quarter ends and don’t slow down at beginning of Q3…

Not that it matters that much, but the system in the Tesla (came with it in mine) is listed as Homelink

 

[dlmorgan999]

Not that it matters that much, but the system in the Tesla (came with it in mine) is listed as Homelink

Yes - and this is the description (from the Tesla website) of the accessory you can buy for the Model 3/Y which doesn't include Homelink by default:

Come and go with easy access. Connect your Model 3 or Model Y to your garage door, gate system and other radio-frequency (RF) controlled devices with the fully integrated HomeLink® module. Your garage will automatically open or close when a connected vehicle arrives or leaves.

 

[DeaneG]

So, I can confirm my fears of a dysfunctional key have been 100% squashed. Kudos to @borski for taking off my training wheels. I can confirm that while having the fob in my pocket, you can push on the door handle to unlock the car and do the reverse to lock it when exiting...all without touching the key! Success! I am a satisfied customer now lol. Oh, and this trick works every time and is immediate.

It's not really a trick - the delivery person should have demonstrated it for you. It isn't in the owner's manual yet (an oversight) but should be.
When carrying the fob, I like to leave passive unlock turned on, along with passive lock. Then no extra motion is needed.
With the mobile key, I leave passive unlock off to avoid frenetic unlocking when I'm working in the garage.

 

[Xminus6]

I was thinking the same thing. As@borski said earlier, Teslas don't have Homelink. Never had it and probably never will. But Tesla's system allows me to drive up to my house and wait for the garage door to open. Far slicker than Lucid's system where I have to (gasp!), reach over and push a button on a screen.

Huh? Tesla's have Homelink. I've had it on every Tesla I've owned. Four of them. It's not standard anymore but they've definitely had it as a feature.