How far past zero till you die?

[Snafu]

8% is the lowest I've gotten so far. Maybe I can breathe a bit easier?

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-lucid-air-grand-touring-performance-yearlong-review-update-11-running-out-of-range/?galleryimageid=8cfee312-840c-4f76-a964-7f0ce2e5a512

 

[gmglass]

I read the same article the other day. I can tell you that I had a zero experience that was different. Driving from Raleigh, NC to St. Augustine, FL...the EA near my Mom's place had all chargers out of service and I was at like 12% SOC 20 miles from her house...I found some third party chargers at a gas station off of her exit and I was signing up for whatever account I needed (of course it was pouring rain) I went back into the car to not get poured on and everything went off...literally just like when your phone dies. I plugged it in, it charged (took several hours as it was a 50kWh charger.

Note, about 4 months later I got a call from Lucid saying they were getting 'signals' from my car the the battery needed to be replaced. That's occurred, all good so far.

I do MUCH more rigorous planning for road trips now.

 

[hmp10]

How far past zero till you die?​

At my age, this subject line gave me quite a fright. It almost caused me to toss my countdown calendar for the arrival of the Gravity before I read the thread.

 

[SaratogaLefty]

I read the same article the other day. I can tell you that I had a zero experience that was different. Driving from Raleigh, NC to St. Augustine, FL...the EA near my Mom's place had all chargers out of service and I was at like 12% SOC 20 miles from her house...I found some third party chargers at a gas station off of her exit and I was signing up for whatever account I needed (of course it was pouring rain) I went back into the car to not get poured on and everything went off...literally just like when your phone dies. I plugged it in, it charged (took several hours as it was a 50kWh charger.

Note, about 4 months later I got a call from Lucid saying they were getting 'signals' from my car the the battery needed to be replaced. That's occurred, all good so far.

I do MUCH more rigorous planning for road trips now.

How many miles when they contacted you it needed to be replaced?

 

[Bus Driver]

I read the same article the other day. I can tell you that I had a zero experience that was different. Driving from Raleigh, NC to St. Augustine, FL...the EA near my Mom's place had all chargers out of service and I was at like 12% SOC 20 miles from her house...I found some third party chargers at a gas station off of her exit and I was signing up for whatever account I needed (of course it was pouring rain) I went back into the car to not get poured on and everything went off...literally just like when your phone dies. I plugged it in, it charged (took several hours as it was a 50kWh charger.

Note, about 4 months later I got a call from Lucid saying they were getting 'signals' from my car the the battery needed to be replaced. That's occurred, all good so far.

I do MUCH more rigorous planning for road trips now.

Have you since allowed your new battery to fall lower than 12%?

 

[EVCar]

How far past zero till you die?​

At my age, this subject line gave me quite a fright. It almost caused me to toss my countdown calendar for the arrival of the Gravity before I read the thread.

Chronological age isnt that relevant anymore these days. Was just talking in general terms with a colleague in Urology yesterday, and I was surprised at the ages of patients desiring certain interventions.

 

[Bus Driver]

I read the same article the other day. I can tell you that I had a zero experience that was different. Driving from Raleigh, NC to St. Augustine, FL...the EA near my Mom's place had all chargers out of service and I was at like 12% SOC 20 miles from her house...I found some third party chargers at a gas station off of her exit and I was signing up for whatever account I needed (of course it was pouring rain) I went back into the car to not get poured on and everything went off...literally just like when your phone dies. I plugged it in, it charged (took several hours as it was a 50kWh charger.

Note, about 4 months later I got a call from Lucid saying they were getting 'signals' from my car the the battery needed to be replaced. That's occurred, all good so far.

I do MUCH more rigorous planning for road trips now.

On a recent road trip, also in wind and rain, I got to my planned charging stop at 20%. Because of crosswinds, wet roads, and rain, and Lucid’s navigation’s current inability to take into account elevation changes, I arrived at a state of charge lower than estimated by abetterrouteplanner.com. The app estimated I would arrive at 33%. It didn’t help either, though I thought I had planned it in the app, that I was cruising between 80 mph to 85 mph whenever I could.

To my dismay, the entire charging station was down and out of power because of the wind and heavy rain. Still at 20% charge, I back-tracked to another charging station 63 miles away. Keeping my speed below 60 mph, I arrived at this backtracked charging station at 4% and 20 miles remaining. I never want to see a charge level that low again. It’s hard on the battery; and it was worrying, wondering whether I’d make it.

By the way, the Lucid navigation predicted I would arrive at my backtracked charging station with “0 miles remaining”. Instead I arrived with “20 miles remaining”. I suppose I had driven slowly enough that I had actually “re-generated” some miles along my 63 mile drive.

Also, had I really arrived at my planned charging stop at 33%, I would have still had enough charge to continue driving to my destination 90 miles away. Just enough, but enough.

Air GT with 19 inch rims. One occupant.

ADDENDUM - why do charging debacle stories like this have an element of “It was a dark and stormy night…”?

 

[hydbob]

 

[DeaneG]

The exact bottom of the battery will depend on minor details of the cells, how well they are balanced, how well the BMS has estimated their remaining energy. I wouldn't rely on the exact behavior of one car to be applicable to another. "Zero" is the engineering team's best guess at zero without the car running out of energy prematurely.

 

[gmglass]

How many miles when they contacted you it needed to be replaced?

@SaratogaLefty ~8,500 miles

 

[gmglass]

Have you since allowed your new battery to fall lower than 12%?

@Bus Driver came back a couple of weeks ago from a road trip to Charlottesville, VA - coasted into the garage comfortably at 9% and plugged into my Lucid home charger that delivers the full 18kWh.

 

[Bobby]

@Bus Driver came back a couple of weeks ago from a road trip to Charlottesville, VA - coasted into the garage comfortably at 9% and plugged into my Lucid home charger that delivers the full 18kWh.

8% recently for me.

 

[borski]

Note, about 4 months later I got a call from Lucid saying they were getting 'signals' from my car the the battery needed to be replaced. That's occurred, all good so far.

This is almost certainly coincidence. Some of the more recent software updates include additional instrumentation so that HQ can proactively look for battery faults *before* they leave you stranded on the road. You may recall all the talk of “12v battery faults” in 2021/2022 which had nothing to do with the 12v battery and were in fact the HV battery dying? It’s those faults, and others, that Lucid is proactively looking for now.

Most likely it would have happened to you regardless.

Anyway, the lowest I’ve ever pulled into a charger was 2% - I chose to drive to a further station so I didn’t have to wait. Went fine.

 

[codys21]

I made it to 1%, 1 mile remaining, power decreased, and AC cut off. Not ideal at all but I made it to an EA! Good to see that Motortrend article (though I think I've read it previously as well) about getting additional miles past zero, though obviously I hope to never, ever do that.

 

[DeaneG]

I made it to 1%, 1 mile remaining, power decreased, and AC cut off. Not ideal at all but I made it to an EA! Good to see that Motortrend article (though I think I've read it previously as well) about getting additional miles past zero, though obviously I hope to never, ever do that.

Don't count on it! The car's indication of battery SOC is only an estimate, as it is in all EVs, not quite a fact.

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

How far past zero till you die?​

At my age, this subject line gave me quite a fright.

I hear you brother. Reading @borski's post is a clear indication he's just a kid.
Then I got to @codys21... assume he's 21 and still thinks he's invincible.

When I was hang gliding the wuffos ( what is that for? what is this for?) once asked me, "Did you ever die doing that?" Seriously.
I answered, "Many times."

Got to 8% once. Fastest EA 350 initial rate I've ever seen...332 kW. I love skipping chargers on a long trip. This car is fantastic.

100% to 0% and I'd have to stop to pee 6 or 7 times.

 

[codys21]

I hear you brother. Reading @borski's post is a clear indication he's just a kid.
Then I got to @codys21... assume he's 21 and still thinks he's invincible.

When I was hang gliding the wuffos ( what is that for? what is this for?) once asked me, "Did you ever die doing that?" Seriously.
I answered, "Many times."

Got to 8% once. Fastest EA 350 initial rate I've ever seen...332 kW. I love skipping chargers on a long trip. This car is fantastic.

100% to 0% and I'd have to stop to pee 6 or 7 times.

Haha not 21 but had a few people in my car for a sporting event and spent far too much energy cooling down the car on a 100 degree day. That threw my calculations way off.

It was nice to see a value above 250 for peak charging in my Pure as well!

 

[Buffalo Bob]

How far past zero till you die?​

At my age, this subject line gave me quite a fright. It almost caused me to toss my countdown calendar for the arrival of the Gravity before I read the thread.

Chronological age isnt that relevant anymore these days. Was just talking in general terms with a colleague in Urology yesterday, and I was surprised at the ages of patients desiring certain interventions.

One thing I do know... It may take me a minute or two longer to get in/out of my Lucid, but once I'm in... I feel like a kid again! I'm seventy-five, and planning trip number 14 to the bottom of the Grand Canyon... just as soon as my granddaughters are old enough. Guess what we'll drive there? (To the south rim... Not to the bottom... I might need a Gravity for that!)

 

[Sid432]

I mentioned this previously. I drove my Lucid till 1% (well, it was 2% and as soon as I pulled in my Garage, it was 1%)

 

[Cosmo Cruz]

One thing I do know... It may take me a minute or two longer to get in/out of my Lucid, but once I'm in... I feel like a kid again! I'm seventy-five, and planning trip number 14 to the bottom of the Grand Canyon... just as soon as my granddaughters are old enough. Guess what we'll drive there? (To the south rim... Not to the bottom... I might need a Gravity for that!)

Went to the Canyon first time a year ago. Gobsmacked. Will go back ASAP. Did the float below Lake Powell to Lees ferry. Bought

Over the Edge: Death in Grand Canyon​

https://www.amazon.com/Over-Edge-Death-Grand-Canyon/dp/097009731X

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at the South Rim gift shop, came out and walked 50 feet to the edge, saw a bunch of brand-new hats with price tags still attached just below me on the scree. Thought I could climb over the railing and get them ... then my brain said: " Pete, that's a 5000 foot drop". Then I read the book. Next time I go I'm taking a fishing pole with a multi-hooked lure. Also, saw a mating pair of Condors soaring up out of the canyon and specking-out in the cummies above me. The awesomeness of this place is beyond description.