Time to put some specs into perspective

[hydbob]

Just some basic facts and figures about the current available crop of 7 seat SUVs. Added in the Air for curiosity sake

	Exterior Dimensions (HWL)	Cargo (cu ft)	Battery Size (largest kwh)	EPA Miles (longest)	Efficiency	HP	0-60	Towing (up to)
Lucid Air	55.4 x 76.2 x 195.9	64.8 + 10	112	516	4.61	819	3.0	0
Lucid Gravity	65.2 x 78.7 x 198.2	112 + 8	120	440+	3.66	800+	3.5	6000
Tesla Model X	66 x 78.7 x 199.1	92.3 + 6.6	100	348	3.48	670	3.8	5000
Rivian R1S	77 x 82 x 201	104.7 + 11	149	400	2.68	835	3.5-4.5	7700
MB EQS SUV	67.6 x 77.1 x 201.8	74.0 + 0	108.4	285	2.63	536	4.5	3500
Volvo EX90	68.8 x 77.3 x 198.3	67.6 + 1.1	111.0	300	2.70	496	4.7	4850
Kia EV9	69.1 x 77.9 x 197.4	82 + 3.2	99.8	270	2.71	379	5.7	5000
VW ID. Buzz (LWB)	76.3 x 78.1 x 195.4	87.2 + 0	92	260	3.59	330	7.3-7.6	2200
Honda Odyssey	70 x 79 x 205	144.9	n/a	546		280	6.5	3500

 

[Lucid510]

Nice to see the specs visually laid out. Beats the competition hands down

 

[xponents]

Just some basic facts and figures about the current available crop of 7 seat SUVs. Added in the Air for curiosity sake

	Exterior Dimensions (HWL)	Cargo (cu ft)	Battery Size (largest kwh)	EPA Miles (longest)	Efficiency	HP	0-60	Towing (up to)
Lucid Air	55.4 x 76.2 x 195.9	64.8 + 10	112	516	4.61	819	3.0	0
Lucid Gravity	65.2 x 78.7 x 198.2	112 + 8	120	440+	3.66	800+	3.5	6000
Tesla Model X	66 x 78.7 x 199.1	92.3 + 6.6	100	348	3.48	670	3.8	5000
Rivian R1S	77 x 82 x 201	104.7 + 11	149	400	2.68	835	3.5-4.5	7700
MB EQS SUV	67.6 x 77.1 x 201.8	74.0 + 0	108.4	285	2.63	536	4.5	3500
Volvo EX90	68.8 x 77.3 x 198.3	67.6 + 1.1	111.0	300	2.70	496	4.7	4850
Kia EV9	69.1 x 77.9 x 197.4	82 + 3.2	99.8	270	2.71	379	5.7	5000

Very nice table, but the best versions of the cars weren’t included, for example model x plaid and quad motor R1S yet dream gravity is there.

As an aside, did you get any answer for why the DE has “only” above 800 hp compared to 933 or 1111? It would make sense for the audience, I concede.

 

[momo3605]

Just some basic facts and figures about the current available crop of 7 seat SUVs. Added in the Air for curiosity sake

	Exterior Dimensions (HWL)	Cargo (cu ft)	Battery Size (largest kwh)	EPA Miles (longest)	Efficiency	HP	0-60	Towing (up to)
Lucid Air	55.4 x 76.2 x 195.9	64.8 + 10	112	516	4.61	819	3.0	0
Lucid Gravity	65.2 x 78.7 x 198.2	112 + 8	120	440+	3.66	800+	3.5	6000
Tesla Model X	66 x 78.7 x 199.1	92.3 + 6.6	100	348	3.48	670	3.8	5000
Rivian R1S	77 x 82 x 201	104.7 + 11	149	400	2.68	835	3.5-4.5	7700
MB EQS SUV	67.6 x 77.1 x 201.8	74.0 + 0	108.4	285	2.63	536	4.5	3500
Volvo EX90	68.8 x 77.3 x 198.3	67.6 + 1.1	111.0	300	2.70	496	4.7	4850
Kia EV9	69.1 x 77.9 x 197.4	82 + 3.2	99.8	270	2.71	379	5.7	5000

From what I’ve seen, the lucid air doesn’t do 4.6 in the real world. And is closer to 3.6/3.7 (which is still good). But I assume the Gravity in that case will do high 2s, putting it in line or slightly ahead of the rivian. I have an R1T, and it’s very easy to hit the epa range in those. They aren’t inflated like Tesla/lucid

 

[BobFM]

Very nice table, but the best versions of the cars weren’t included, for example model x plaid and quad motor R1S yet dream gravity is there.

As an aside, did you get any answer for why the DE has “only” above 800?

Fair point, I'd point out with Model X Plaid and quad motor R1S, while the 0-60 is faster, the range drops off. For Model X the range decreases by 15-40 miles depending on tire selection. Quad pack R1S doesn't have the max pack option (at least not yet), so range drops from 400 down to 321.

 

[xponents]

From what I’ve seen, the lucid air doesn’t do 4.6 in the real world. And is closer to 3.6/3.7 (which is still good). But I assume the Gravity in that case will do high 2s, putting it in line or slightly ahead of the rivian. I have an R1T, and it’s very easy to hit the epa range in those. They aren’t inflated like Tesla/lucid

For the gravity launch, it appears lucid is trying to fix that issue. Based on a screenshot of the app, it should have 480ish, but lucid downgraded it to 440, possibly to meet user expectations.

 

[hydbob]

Very nice table, but the best versions of the cars weren’t included, for example model x plaid and quad motor R1S yet dream gravity is there.

As an aside, did you get any answer for why the DE has “only” above 800 hp compared to 933 or 1111? It would make sense for the audience, I concede.

Trying to do the best with the info available! Get me some figures and I can adjust whatever.

 

[hydbob]

From what I’ve seen, the lucid air doesn’t do 4.6 in the real world. And is closer to 3.6/3.7 (which is still good). But I assume the Gravity in that case will do high 2s, putting it in line or slightly ahead of the rivian. I have an R1T, and it’s very easy to hit the epa range in those. They aren’t inflated like Tesla/lucid

I just pulled EPA/MFG specs for all these so it's as fair as possible. Let's not go down that rabbit hole or rehash what's been mentioned 5,000 times already in other places here

 

[hydbob]

As an aside, did you get any answer for why the DE has “only” above 800 hp compared to 933 or 1111? It would make sense for the audience, I concede.

They mentioned in the presentation that they reworked the motors slightly for the Gravity. My guess? Reduce HP, improve Torque for towing.

 

[xponents]

I just pulled EPA/MFG specs for all these so it's as fair as possible. Let's not go down that rabbit hole or rehash what's been mentioned 5,000 times already in other places here

It does make sense, as gravity has the best range but not the best performance so we should match to that.

They mentioned in the presentation that they reworked the motors slightly for the Gravity. My guess? Reduce HP, improve Torque for towing.

That also makes sense and would explain how gravity can out tow EVERYTHING except the R1S. I hope we can add the CyberTruck to this list soon!

 

[xponents]

Trying to do the best with the info available! Get me some figures and I can adjust whatever.

Sure!

 

[joec]

I hadn’t been paying much attention to the EV SUV landscape until recently. I’m even more optimistic now about Gravity’s chances. The competition is fairly lame.

The only reason I could see for not going Gravity over any other similar vehicle would be money.

The pricing is lower than I expected, though. So even there I think they will be quite competitive.

Or maybe if the styling isn’t your cup of tea. (Though personally I think it looks better than any SUV out there.)

 

[hydbob]

It does make sense, as gravity has the best range but not the best performance so we should match to that.

That also makes sense and would explain how gravity can out tow EVERYTHING except the R1S. I hope we can add the CyberTruck to this list soon!

The R1S normal figure is 5000, 7700 is with a special hitch but I gave credit where credit is due.

 

[BS8899]

I just pulled EPA/MFG specs for all these so it's as fair as possible. Let's not go down that rabbit hole or rehash what's been mentioned 5,000 times already in other places here

I think the table is very nice. That said, perhaps it can be enhanced with another column on the ASP (asking price). The cars in this table span a ~2X ASP range. Things like the larger battery packs, multiple motors etc. can skew the ASP by tens-of-thousands of dollars.

Separately, the point about "Efficiency" might need some real-life calibration. Most Lucid Air owners report efficiencies of closer to 3.6-3.8 (vs the 4.61 spec.). In contrast, the reviews I saw on the Rivian seems better than its specs. I am getting my R1S next week and I will find out if it is indeed true.

 

[Adnillien]

They mentioned in the presentation that they reworked the motors slightly for the Gravity. My guess? Reduce HP, improve Torque for towing.

They changed the gear ratio to improve low speed torque for towing and off road capability. There were also some motor improvements that went into sapphire that will likely carry over to Gravity that improve efficiency.

 

[hydbob]

I think the table is very nice. That said, perhaps it can be enhanced with another column on the ASP (asking price). The cars in this table span a ~2X ASP range. Things like the larger battery packs, multiple motors etc. can skew the ASP by tens-of-thousands of dollars.

Separately, the point about "Efficiency" might need some real-life calibration. Most Lucid Air owners report efficiencies of closer to 3.6-3.8 (vs the 4.61 spec.). In contrast, the reviews I saw on the Rivian seems better than its specs. I am getting my R1S next week and I will find out if it is indeed true.

I will add pricing because we have no idea about Gravity pricing so I didn't want to put 80k for Gravity when the specs don't line up with that pricing. Will adjust it as more data becomes available or maybe just put TBD.

 

[hmp10]

They mentioned in the presentation that they reworked the motors slightly for the Gravity. My guess? Reduce HP, improve Torque for towing.

According to Car & Driver:

"But something else is in play [compared to the Air], and that is the shorter final-drive ratio (numerically larger, but they have not yet revealed the spec) that's been utilized to give the Gravity SUV better off-road creeping performance and a usable degree of towing capability."

2025 Lucid Gravity Is a Compelling Family EV with 440-Mile Range

Lucid adds Gravity (and gravitas) to its EV lineup with this road-trip-ready SUV that offers an expansive three-row interior and stunning good looks.

www.caranddriver.com

P.S. I do take Car & Driver with a pinch of salt, though. Long after the Air was in production they still sometimes commented on the ride and handling of its air suspension which, of course, it didn't have.

 

[Adnillien]

According to Car & Driver:

"But something else is in play [compared to the Air], and that is the shorter final-drive ratio (numerically larger, but they have not yet revealed the spec) that's been utilized to give the Gravity SUV better off-road creeping performance and a usable degree of towing capability."

2025 Lucid Gravity Is a Compelling Family EV with 440-Mile Range

Lucid adds Gravity (and gravitas) to its EV lineup with this road-trip-ready SUV that offers an expansive three-row interior and stunning good looks.

www.caranddriver.com

P.S. I do take Car & Driver with a pinch of salt, though. Long after the Air was in production they still sometimes commented on the ride and handling of its air suspension which, of course, it didn't have.

I asked Eric Bach what the ratio for Gravity was and he would not say. His comment was that he wants the competition to have to wait and reverse engineer it to find out. I don’t blame Lucid for protecting their secrets.

 

[BS8899]

I will add pricing because we have no idea about Gravity pricing so I didn't want to put 80k for Gravity when the specs don't line up with that pricing. Will adjust it as more data becomes available or maybe just put TBD.

Gravity ASP TBD is fine. Once you added the pricing of the other entries, the price/performance/feature of the Gravity's competitiveness should be self-evident.

The overall challenge for Lucid as a viable business is its small market share, which in part, can be attributed to its premium pricing. It is hard to sell only a few thousands cars a quarter and sustain the development and marketing effort needed for state-of-the-art cars.

I hope the Gravity has better software. I hope those SW improvements waterfall to the Air as well. I like my Air's mechanical performance. But the SW on it is not ready for prime-time and Lucid's response (on SW improvements) has been dismal!

 

[Bobby]

Gravity ASP TBD is fine. Once you added the pricing of the other entries, the price/performance/feature of the Gravity's competitiveness should be self-evident.

The overall challenge for Lucid as a viable business is its small market share, which in part, can be attributed to its premium pricing. It is hard to sell only a few thousands cars a quarter and sustain the development and marketing effort needed for state-of-the-art cars.

I hope the Gravity has better software. I hope those SW improvements waterfall to the Air as well. I like my Air's mechanical performance. But the SW on it is not ready for prime-time and Lucid's response (on SW improvements) has been dismal!

I’ve been pleased with the OTA pace and the current version is very solid; quite ready for prime time.