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momo3605 said:
I’m certain if that’s the path Lucid has taken they should be compatible with superchargers on day 1. It’ll be a bad look otherwise.
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Zero chance Lucid has any control over this whatsoever. Elon/Tesla are going to be the ones deciding when and who can use the supercharger network. Moreover, there are also superchargers that are still limited only to Teslas even if your car has NACS. This is what you all signed up for when everyone was screaming for NACS.

Tesla is not the only NACS charging; plenty of other companies are adding NACS cables to their chargers now, but it will take time.

But yes, for a while, it is likey going to be adapter hell, and you have nobody but Tesla to thank for that. I guarantee you if it were up to Lucid, they'd be allowed on the supercharger network from day one.

But it isn't only Lucid that will run into this, if they run into it.

From https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/supercharging-other-evs#vehicles:
There are 3 types of Tesla Superchargers:
  1. Tesla-only Superchargers, which only work for Tesla vehicles.
  2. All EVs Superchargers, which are available for all EVs to charge with a “Magic Dock” adapter that is provided at the charging post.
  3. NACS Superchargers, which will become available gradually, by vehicle manufacturer, and can be accessed through an adapter. The adapter has to be provided by your vehicle manufacturer. For new vehicles that are NACS-equipped, no adapter will be necessary.
The following vehicle manufacturers have access to NACS Superchargers:
  • Ford
  • General Motors (GM)
  • Polestar
  • Rivian
  • Volvo
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And they're serious. There are plenty of stations, almost all in major cities, that are limited only to Teslas: https://www.pcmag.com/news/superchargers-open-up-to-non-teslas-but-good-luck-finding-a-station-in

From https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/27/business/energy-environment/tesla-electric-vehicle-charging.html:
Tesla’s opening up of its chargers to other automakers was meant to be a three-stage process.

First, Tesla and each automaker would update the software on Tesla’s chargers and the other company’s cars so they could work with each other. Second, Tesla would make and supply adapters to allow other cars to connect to its chargers, which use different plugs. The final step is supposed to happen next year, when most automakers plan to start installing Tesla plugs on the new cars they assemble, eliminating the need for an adapter.

So far only two car companies have advanced past the first stage with Tesla — Ford Motor and Rivian. General Motors had said it expected to complete the software coordination with Tesla this spring but now says it will happen later this year. Other automakers are expected to follow G.M.

But even most drivers of electric Ford and Rivian models do not yet have access to Tesla chargers because the companies have not received enough adapters from Tesla.
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But having adapters will not be enough for drivers of electric cars not made by Tesla, Ford or Rivian. Every other automaker still needs to work with Tesla to make software updates for the cars to use the company’s chargers. That first step could drag on for months at the current pace.

G.M. has not said when its customers will be able to use Tesla chargers. “G.M. continues to work in good faith with Tesla to finalize an agreement that offers a seamless Supercharger network experience for our customers,” the company said in a statement for this article.

Besides frustrating owners, the Tesla charging bottleneck may discourage electric vehicle sales, which have been growing more slowly than a year ago. Tesla’s Superchargers are widely viewed as the most reliable, and they are often in places where other chargers are scarce, assuring drivers with access to them that they won’t be stranded with an empty battery.
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Amid slumping car sales, Tesla has also slowed construction of new Supercharger stations, a blow to the Biden administration’s effort to encourage expansion of the charging network and promote electric vehicle use.
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Make it NACS, they said. It's so much better, they said. Tesla won't screw you, they said. 🙄
 
There's no way around owning a grocery bag full of adapters for about the next three years
 
Gravitas said:
Does Gravity have a rear wiper? Or maybe it does not need one because of the massive rear spoiler overhang.
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I believe the rear wiper is hidden under spoiler. I vaguely remember one of the auto journalists mentioning this during the LA reveal last November.
 
segbrk said:
I don’t know, they can’t control this, and they had a bunch of confused potential buyers tilting at windmills about getting NACS on there “because everybody else is doing it” …
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Sure they can control it! There’s obviously no technical challenge since many OEMs have already onboarded

Very simple conversation —

Lucid: “Hey Tesla, we want to use your NACS port in the Gravity. Can you make sure we can use the Supercharger Network when our car is released?”

Tesla: “Sure! Welcome to the party”
or
Tesla: “No screw you, Elon hates your CEO”
Lucid: “ok screw you too, we’re just going to do CCS then”
 
momo3605 said:
Sure they can control it! There’s obviously no technical challenge since many OEMs have already onboarded”
Very simple conversation —

Lucid: “Hey Tesla, we want to use your NACS port in the Gravity. Can you make sure we can use the Supercharger Network when our car is released?”

Tesla: “Sure! Welcome to the party”
or
Tesla: “No screw you, Elon hates your CEO”
Lucid: “ok screw you too, we’re just going to do CCS then”
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I think you underestimate what is involved. It's not just flipping a switch and saying "yes Lucid can use Superchargers." Based on what we've already seen from other OEMs, there is some work to be done on both sides to integrate authorization and payment and whatnot, and Lucid is joining a line behind a bunch of other OEMs. Inter-company politics aside, Tesla is not going to promise an exact date by which they can accomplish their end of it for a low-volume OEM like Lucid. A rough timeline, maybe. That rough timeline might be "2025."
 
momo3605 said:
Sure they can control it! There’s obviously no technical challenge since many OEMs have already onboarded

Very simple conversation —

Lucid: “Hey Tesla, we want to use your NACS port in the Gravity. Can you make sure we can use the Supercharger Network when our car is released?”

Tesla: “Sure! Welcome to the party”
or
Tesla: “No screw you, Elon hates your CEO”
Lucid: “ok screw you too, we’re just going to do CCS then”
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You’re digging your own grave here. Do you actually think this is how multi-billion dollar companies interact? A simple adapter solves this until Tesla allows access, which may be a while. If this doesn’t satisfy you, buy a different car.
 
momo3605 said:
Sure they can control it! There’s obviously no technical challenge since many OEMs have already onboarded

Very simple conversation —

Lucid: “Hey Tesla, we want to use your NACS port in the Gravity. Can you make sure we can use the Supercharger Network when our car is released?”

Tesla: “Sure! Welcome to the party”
or
Tesla: “No screw you, Elon hates your CEO”
Lucid: “ok screw you too, we’re just going to do CCS then”
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Yet again, it amazes me when people say things like this.

I don't know how many times I've posted this here, but let's go on another walk from SF to LA.

God, if only things were this easy. A boy can dream.
 
borski said:
Zero chance Lucid has any control over this whatsoever. Elon/Tesla are going to be the ones deciding when and who can use the supercharger network. Moreover, there are also superchargers that are still limited only to Teslas even if your car has NACS. This is what you all signed up for when everyone was screaming for NACS.

Tesla is not the only NACS charging; plenty of other companies are adding NACS cables to their chargers now, but it will take time.

But yes, for a while, it is likey going to be adapter hell, and you have nobody but Tesla to thank for that. I guarantee you if it were up to Lucid, they'd be allowed on the supercharger network from day one.

But it isn't only Lucid that will run into this, if they run into it.

From https://www.tesla.com/support/charging/supercharging-other-evs#vehicles:


And they're serious. There are plenty of stations, almost all in major cities, that are limited only to Teslas: https://www.pcmag.com/news/superchargers-open-up-to-non-teslas-but-good-luck-finding-a-station-in

From https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/27/business/energy-environment/tesla-electric-vehicle-charging.html:


Make it NACS, they said. It's so much better, they said. Tesla won't screw you, they said. 🙄
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Yeah, I blame GM and Ford, they chickened and went NACS, then the whole industry followed, great job being chained to Musk! Thank you Detroit for this!
 
Batteryman said:
Yeah, I blame GM and Ford, they chickened and went NACS, then the whole industry followed, great job being chained to Musk! Thank you Detroit for this!
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Why would Lucid copy bad EV companies like GM and Ford?
 
Bobby said:
You’re digging your own grave here. Do you actually think this is how multi-billion dollar companies interact? A simple adapter solves this until Tesla allows access, which may be a while. If this doesn’t satisfy you, buy a different car.
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I still don’t think lucid will force you to use an adapter to charge the Gravity. But if you think they were dumb enough to do that, go for it man

We’ll see who’s digging their grave soon, now that press reviews are coming soon!
 
borski said:
I don't know how many times I've posted this here, but let's go on another walk from SF to LA.
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This is way more hilarious to read than it should be! I do not recall you posting the link here, although you have mentioned it in another post. Thank you for the link! (though I wonder what you were doing on Quora... 🤣)
 
momo3605 said:
That would be insanity. To publicly release the Gravity with a NACS port it can’t use outside of like the 7 US-wide magic dock stations?? Also the whole point of magic dock is to convert to CCS. So you’re saying people would have to put a second adapter on there? To do nacs-ccs and then back to nacs?

I’m certain if that’s the path Lucid has taken they should be compatible with superchargers on day 1. It’ll be a bad look otherwise.
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Some people say it bad now and some say bad when Lucid say other wise. At the end of they day we cannot make 100% people happy.

It would be nice id they work from day 1. But it’s on Musk’s mercy and you know how much he likes the competition.
 
momo3605 said:
I still don’t think lucid will force you to use an adapter to charge the Gravity. But if you think they were dumb enough to do that, go for it man

We’ll see who’s digging their grave soon, now that press reviews are coming soon!
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If you hate Lucid Gravity hate it, if you love Tesla love it. But you are saying someone dumb for something which you have no clue or have comple understanding of how things work. I hate things with Lucid that i hate, but because of that i cannot say they are dumb.
 
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