Out of Spec - Gravity vs Escalade

Maybe for the smallest wheels with the Hankooks. I don't think that will be realistic for the wheel/tire packages rated at 386 miles. But hoping I'm wrong.
I'm starting to think the mid-wheel package will suit me, as with Tesla and Rivian network access, one extra charge once in a long while might be worth the tradeoff in handling.
 
I'm starting to think the mid-wheel package will suit me, as with Tesla and Rivian network access, one extra charge once in a long while might be worth the tradeoff in handling.

Same reason I'm thinking about biting the bullet on the 22/23" wheels. I want all the bad puppy handling this thing can deliver with the right footwear.
 
Same reason I'm thinking about biting the bullet on the 22/23" wheels. I want all the bad puppy handling this thing can deliver with the right footwear.
If the 22/23's weren't Pirelli I'd consider them but I got burnt with the Pirelli's on the Air so going to opt for the mid-wheel.
 
Same reason I'm thinking about biting the bullet on the 22/23" wheels. I want all the bad puppy handling this thing can deliver with the right footwear.
I got the 19's on the Air for durability before the 20's became available. I'd prefer to do better with the Gravity.
 
If the 22/23's weren't Pirelli I'd consider them but I got burnt with the Pirelli's on the Air so going to opt for the mid-wheel.

We never saw the sidewall bubble issue on any of the three sets of Pirellis we've had on the Air over the past three years. We've had to replace a couple of them due to punctures from construction debris, but we've also had to replace a Michelin on the Tesla for the same reason and an all-season on the Honda for a puncture.

I have come really to like the Pirellis for their dry and especially their wet handling, and I'm surprised at how well the tread holds up under my heavy foot on this very heavy and powerful car. With my beloved Continental DSW's not available in the right size, the Pirellis are the best wet handling tires I've found.
 
Maybe. I’m reserving judgment because of the massive efficiency wins apparently in the 2025 Airs. Between that and the new EPA ratings, I have no idea how to predict that.
I agree with you. There seems to be a pretty decent jump in efficiency with the ‘25’s and based on a number of data points they at least seem CAPABLE of delivering EPA using the new test…
 
The list of top priority features in my new BEV is the following:

1. Range. I am looking for the longest highway range possible so I can avoid public charging.
2. A tow hitch. I put one on my Mach-e for bike rack use. If I could get a hitch installed on a Air I might go that route due to the number one priority above. I don't tow things with my Mach-e but if I got a vehicle that is built to tow I would.
3. Native NACS. This is much less important than the first two, but having it is a huge deal to me.
4. The ability to haul a 4x8 sheet of drywall. Just kidding.

I am seriously considering the Rivian R1 but the OOS range test they did with the Cybertruck was hugely disappointing. The Max T went 260 miles. It was cold and they had some snow during the test, but still. That is what I can expect in the winter here. I am really, really hoping the Gravity does much better on the highway. Common sense says it will.

I like to drive over stuff but I also want it to fit into my garage. If the longest range GMs could fit in my garage, they would be on the table. Well except the Escalade. It is way too expensive for what you get. IMO.

And yes, looks are subjective. You seem to look at vehicles as more of a utility than I do. I want something that is fun and looks good. That will never be a Odyssey. Ever. Even if it can hold a full sheet of drywall. 🤣
@Knucklehead, I'm curious why you would use a tow hitch and bike rack considering the interior space of the Gravity.
There have been picture of a bike loaded inside.
I'm too dang concerned about someone rear-ending me and not only messing up my suv, but my bike as well.
I'm sure you can load several bikes in the back of a Gravity.
I also wonder if the bike and bike rack might interfere with the rear sensors. No idea.

Also, I hate cleaning my bikes. Unavoidable with my gravel bike, but for my road bikes, unless I get caught in the rain, I wipe them down to avoid salt build up from sweat.
I digress.

Personal preference. Just wondering.

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Okay, for once I watched a Kyle Conner review in its entirety for pretty much the same reason that I can't turn my eyes away from a train wreck:

- $170,000

- 9,300 pounds . . . 4.69 TONS.

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horrible efficiency

- no NACS charge port

- more cramped in feel than a Gravity

- third row only suitable for children

- "almost dangerous" torque steer in some situations

- "not a good drive at all", only makes sense as a highway cruiser . . . except that it would be monstrously expensive to drive on a road trip

- squeaks and rattles in the back, door panels that rattle when the stereo is going

- plastic trim all over the interior

- more NVH than Gravity and other competitors

- only reason to buy one is to revel in American excess.
I'm appalled this vehicle even exists....
 
@Knucklehead, I'm curious why you would use a tow hitch and bike rack considering the interior space of the Gravity.
There have been picture of a bike loaded inside.
I'm too dang concerned about someone rear-ending me and not only messing up my suv, but my bike as well.
I'm sure you can load several bikes in the back of a Gravity.
I also wonder if the bike and bike rack might interfere with the rear sensors. No idea.

Also, I hate cleaning my bikes. Unavoidable with my gravel bike, but for my road bikes, unless I get caught in the rain, I wipe them down to avoid salt build up from sweat.
I digress.

Personal preference. Just wondering.

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There are a few trails four miles from my house. I can put the bike on the rack and head to the trails, and not worry about removing the front wheel or dropping chunks of dirt/leaves/etc. inside the car. Often I have other things in the car, and I would have to move them out before putting the bike in. I have work clothes (sport coats, some shirts, jackets, etc.) hanging inside that I definitely would not want bike grease on. That is hard to get out, as you know.

My road bike will fit inside my Mach-e without removing the wheel. One time I put it inside when I was driving to a triathlon since I was worried about the range hit. And a bike rack does cause a significant range hit. However, for around town stuff, I like to use the bike rack. Then I don't need to think about what is inside the car, and debris falling off inside. Throw it on the back and go.

When going on a trip with lots of luggage, a bike rack is really required.

And with the Gravity, I could tow things. Towing things is a very useful feature for me.
 
We never saw the sidewall bubble issue on any of the three sets of Pirellis we've had on the Air over the past three years. We've had to replace a couple of them due to punctures from construction debris, but we've also had to replace a Michelin on the Tesla for the same reason and an all-season on the Honda for a puncture.

I have come really to like the Pirellis for their dry and especially their wet handling, and I'm surprised at how well the tread holds up under my heavy foot on this very heavy and powerful car. With my beloved Continental DSW's not available in the right size, the Pirellis are the best wet handling tires I've found.
I have yet to literally once be upset with the Pirellis. I don’t understand why other people have had issues. But I believe they have.

I’m just gonna keep buying certs and call it a day.
 
BAD memories. Back in the early 1990’s, I had an Acura that had been stolen and trashed pretty badly and during the 6 weeks I was without it while it was being fixed, my rental was a Cimarron. Complete garbage.
 
I have yet to literally once be upset with the Pirellis. I don’t understand why other people have had issues. But I believe they have.

I’m just gonna keep buying certs and call it a day.
I had two bubbles on my original Pirelli 21s in less than 10k miles.

I have a winter set on 20s....I think I am going to stick with 20s only (winter and summer) once I run out of tread on the replacement 21s.
 
Maybe. I’m reserving judgment because of the massive efficiency wins apparently in the 2025 Airs. Between that and the new EPA ratings, I have no idea how to predict that.
Have you confirmed the new “wins” they reported in the 2025? Your very knowedlagable on lucid so I’d trust if you said yes they’re 5 whkh like they say…. I have a 2023 gt and the avg 3.31 (99.7% highway at 81 mph) is the best I can do. I have the 20’s since it’s a stealth and that did change it quite a bit from my last lucid with 19’s
 
Have you confirmed the new “wins” they reported in the 2025? Your very knowedlagable on lucid so I’d trust if you said yes they’re 5 whkh like they say…. I have a 2023 gt and the avg 3.31 (99.7% highway at 81 mph) is the best I can do. I have the 20’s since it’s a stealth and that did change it quite a bit from my last lucid with 19’s
That 5.0 was for the '25 Pure on 19's. The '25 GT on 19's is 4.34.
 
I see so still on 19’s I’m sure at 65-70 mph…. My 22 on 19’s gt was getting 3.7-3.9 consistently so the heat pump and a few other things helping a bit but not a ton.
That’s roughly 11-17% more efficient than your numbers though. Spread it out over a full charge and the lifetime of the car, that’s close to a ton of improvement.
 
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