Nice article in Car and Driver on tuning the Sapphire

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This months Car and Driver features an extensive article on track tuning the Sapphire by the factory techs and test drivers with the author of the piece getting some driving time. It’s extremely informative and also very complimentary to the lucid team and the sapphire. Great write up, check it out
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Fascinating. And given how impressive Ben "The Stig" Collins has already found the Sapphire to be in a less-evolved state of suspension tuning, I have a feeling that the final product is going to blow all minds that get their hands on it.

We're already planning on replacing our Honda Odyssey with the Gravity SUV when it comes out. But Lordy, do I want this car, too. I wonder if three Lucids in the garage would scream vile "Excess!!"?

Thank goodness I don't like the interior palette of the Sapphire, especially the neon blue screen graphics. It it came with a Santo Monica interior, I would be lost. Utterly.
 
Fascinating. And given how impressive Ben "The Stig" Collins has already found the Sapphire to be in a less-evolved state of suspension tuning, I have a feeling that the final product is going to blow all minds that get their hands on it.

We're already planning on replacing our Honda Odyssey with the Gravity SUV when it comes out. But Lordy, do I want this car, too. I wonder if three Lucids in the garage would scream vile "Excess!!"?

Thank goodness I don't like the interior palette of the Sapphire, especially the neon blue screen graphics. It it came with a Santo Monica interior, I would be lost. Utterly.
ill hold onto one of them for you ;) just lemme know when you wanna swap
 
here’s the text of the story:

Fine Tuning

AT VIR, HOME OF OUR ANNUAL LIGHTNING LAP TEST, TECHNICAL EDITOR DAN EDMUNDS SITS IN WITH LUCID DEVELOPMENT ENGINEERS AS THEY TWEAK THE 1200-PLUS-HP TRI-MOTOR AIR SAPPHIRE.
You can’t let some curbing stand in the way of a good lap time, particularly at Virginia International Raceway, where it’s best to clip almost as many as possible to set a competitive lap. Snake is one such section, and the Lucid Air Sapphire prototype I’m piloting glides over the concrete serrations as if built to do nothing else and then rockets toward the Climbing Esses. More care and selective curb skimming work better here. Next, the tight Oak Tree corner offers another light dose of apex clobbering. The right-hand detour into VIR’s inner loop comes up quickly, but the Sapphire’s humongous 10-piston front brake calipers squeeze trackworthy carbon-ceramic rotors to haul this cruise missile smartly down to turn-in speed without a hint of squirm or squiggle. The car bends through the low-speed horseshoe smoothly with perhaps a hiccup at the exit. Then it’s off to Spiral and the diving left-right combination that comes just over a blind crest.

“Whoa! That was a big twitch.” There’s another slight power interruption when I graze the low curb at the exit of Spiral, but the car reasserts itself through the rest of the Infield. The Sapphire seems to love Roller Coaster, but as I exit Hog Pen and set my sights on the Front Straight, the car walks toward the left edge of the track, robbing me of the confidence to plant my right foot. With a full lap under my belt, it’s time to return to the pits for a debrief. After that, we’ll consider making some changes.

This process isn’t entirely new territory for me. Before journalism, the work that put food on my table was evaluating and tweaking the suspensions of prototypes in development at proving grounds, racetracks, and even public roads when routine driving character was under scrutiny. But my focus was always on tuning the hardware—springs, dampers, anti-roll bars, tires, bushings, etc.—because none of the suspensions I worked on had a line of software code associated with them.

John Culliton, ace driver and senior technical specialist in Lucid’s chassis and vehicle dynamics department, holds a job similar to the one I once had. He rode shotgun so we could discuss the car’s behavior on the fly. Once we untangle ourselves from the prototype’s five-point harness and duck under the full roll cage, calibration and validation manager Esther Unti joins us at the car’s trunk, which contains a raft of data-logging gear and a port into which she now plugs her laptop.

They seem gratified to corroborate my feedback with their own, which is important because it’s crucial to differentiate between what the car is doing and what a driver is doing. This is the first time the Sapphire has tack led VIR’s Grand Course, and a test crew must achieve a certain level of track familiarity before driver tuning can give way to vehicle tuning.

Author Edmunds, a former chassis engineer, is also a dad. Here he shows the Lucid crew the ideal burping technique.

But this is far from the Sapphire’s first tuning session. Quite the contrary. Chassis and vehicle dynamics director David Lickfold and his team have visited numerous tracks and proving grounds. They’ve so far dialed in the specification of the purely mechanical bits—those things I used to tune—and the internal construction of the bespoke Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires.

Lickfold and company have also settled on a base mechanical valving for the electronically controlled Bilstein dampers, which largely function without any electron ic valve adjustment in the base Smooth driving mode. Soft ware-controlled rebound and compression-damping valves add supplemental damping during extreme events in this mode, but they come into their own, automatically adapting with extra damping in Swift mode, then kick that up another notch in Sprint. The team has also landed on a power-steering-assist profile for each mode, as well as the mode-dependent behavior of the Bosch electromechanical brake booster that blends the massive friction brakes with the car’s high potential for regenerative braking.

These basic elements feel nicely ironed out, and even though Lucid did not formally lock them down, they stand at near-production status. What does that leave for this VIR session? The engineers are still tweaking the damper software in Swift mode, but the Sapphire’s ability to shrug off curbs tells me they’re close. That mainly leaves something I never had to deal with in my engineering career: managing the torque produced by the Sapphire’s insanely powerful three motors.

A normal Lucid Grand Touring sports at each end a single motor containing a cleverly integrated differential within an impressively compact coaxial motor housing with outputs on the motor’s centerline. Each motor is capable of 670 horsepower, but the GT’s total 1050 horsepower is less than the combined sum of both. That ’s because the GT’s 112.0-kW h battery can’t put out as much power as the Sapphire’s 118.0-kWh pack. This difference also clears the way for uneven high-load torque splits.

In the Sapphire, the same 670-hp unit resides up front, but the rear end contains a pair of those motors in a shared housing. Because each rear wheel is individually controlled, the rear axle has a scary 1340-hp potential, and the sum of all three motors is a staggering 2010 horsepower. Lucid will only cop to a total combined output of 1200-plus horsepower, with a definitive number some weeks away. But the difference between whatever that placeholder signifies and 2010 suggests a serious amount of torque-vectoring potential. That brings us back to Unti’s laptop and why Lucid is at VIR.

This powertrain gives Culliton and Unti a lot of tuning freedom, but they must account for many different performance-driving scenarios. In a straight line, there is nothing stopping them from sending all the battery can muster to the rear axle—except sanity and physics. You’ll always get a quicker and more stable launch when more than two tires put torque to the ground. To that end, they tell me that about 75 percent of launch torque goes to the rear. Even at the drifting end of the spectrum, they still send a bit of torque to the front “to make slides more predictable and achieve higher sideslip angles.” Cool.

VIR’s Grand Course lies between those two performance extremes, with a variety of corners. That’s what makes it such a great location for our annual Lightning Lap test and a useful place to sort out the Sapphire’s complex torque vectoring, which goes way beyond simulating the differential action that comes naturally to a single-motor drivetrain. Torque vectoring in an EV with two motors on one axle can generate force more quickly, precisely, and smoothly than commonplace brake-based torque vectoring. And the degree of split is highly variable because one motor can regenerate power while the other drives forward.

Unti’s laptop, loaded with Lucid-developed control programs, manages all of these settings. In fact, some 90 percent of the lines of code within the Sapphire were written in-house. The application Unti is working with today allows her and Culliton to alter parameters that subsequently rewrite underlying code accordingly. For example, the wheelbase module reallocates torque to mimic the feeling of a physically shorter or longer wheelbase, depending on conditions.

Culliton and Unti punch in a few tweaks to address issues I encountered. For high-speed exits, such as when coming out of Hog Pen, they up the level of rear torque vectoring to add a bit of rotation as I transition from part throttle (they use the word “throttle” as opposed to “accelerator” or some other unsatisfying term, so I will too—this once) to Front Straight acceleration, so I get past the feeling that adding more will increase understeer. In the dramatic Spiral transition, they soften vectoring and lessen the turn-in moment so as not to overwhelm the rear tires. And in the scenarios where the back end twitched on corner exit, they add a bit more front torque bias for rear stability.

In garage number 3, engineers get a full debriefing on what worked and what didn’t work as they inch closer to a final calibration.

They didn’t tell me any of this before I went out in the Sapphire again, lest I anticipate the effects. But the adjustments worked a treat. The two minor corner-exit wiggles disappeared, and the car was much more stable when I crested the low-speed transition in Spiral. Best of all, I was better able to feed on the power as I exited the final turn. The phrase “lack of confidence” disappeared, replaced by “my God, this thing is quick.”

There was a side effect, though. As is often the case in tuning, when you improve one thing, you lose out somewhere else. That happened in Roller Coaster, where the Sapphire became a bit twitchier. A mistake on my part might have brought that about as I sailed a few feet past my usual turn-in point and tried to bring it back. The car seemed to try to help, but here two wrongs did not make a right. Back to the pits for another think and software tweak.

At this point, my time was up, but Culliton, Unti, and Lickfold were going to remain at VIR for another round or two before packing up and moving on to another testing locale. It’ll be great to see where the Lucid Air Sapphire ends up when they’re finished, but things look very promising indeed. Let’s hope we can get our hands on one for the next Lightning Lap.

SAPPHIRE VS. PLAID

It’s tempting to look at the Tesla Model S Plaid and the Lucid Air Sapphire through the same lens. After all, each has a tri-motor powertrain that produces upward of 1000 horsepower. But there are fundamental differences.

For one, the Sapphire was part of the Lucid Air game plan from the start and will appear in the model’s second year of production. David Lickfold told us his team knew of the need to put down all that massive power and torque when they initially conceived the suspension. The same is true of the goal to make the car utterly track-worthy, which means its 10-piston front calipers and carbon-ceramic brake rotors are no afterthought.

Meanwhile, the Plaid emerged in the Model S’s 10th model year. It’s doubtful that Tesla planned the Plaid’s existence that far out, especially since the company built its brand around the induction motor that Nikola Tesla invented, a stylized cross section of which is Tesla’s logo. But in 2019, Tesla quietly started abandoning induction motors in the Model S, switching to permanent-magnet synchronous ones, and the Plaid wouldn’t have been feasible if that hadn’t happened.

What’s more, the Model S Plaid shares tires and brakes with the less powerful variant. All-season 19-inch tires remain standard, with 21-inch summer rubber an option. The Plaid is mainly a motor swap. A $20,000 carbon-ceramic brake upgrade kit is planned for later this year, but it should have been part of the Plaid package from the beginning.
 
Fascinating. And given how impressive Ben "The Stig" Collins has already found the Sapphire to be in a less-evolved state of suspension tuning, I have a feeling that the final product is going to blow all minds that get their hands on it.

We're already planning on replacing our Honda Odyssey with the Gravity SUV when it comes out. But Lordy, do I want this car, too. I wonder if three Lucids in the garage would scream vile "Excess!!"?

Thank goodness I don't like the interior palette of the Sapphire, especially the neon blue screen graphics. It it came with a Santo Monica interior, I would be lost. Utterly.

Vile Excess? Definitely. But so what? I'm Filipino and we Filipnos have a credo that courses deep in our veins - "If in doubt, overdo".
 
Fascinating. And given how impressive Ben "The Stig" Collins has already found the Sapphire to be in a less-evolved state of suspension tuning, I have a feeling that the final product is going to blow all minds that get their hands on it.

We're already planning on replacing our Honda Odyssey with the Gravity SUV when it comes out. But Lordy, do I want this car, too. I wonder if three Lucids in the garage would scream vile "Excess!!"?

Thank goodness I don't like the interior palette of the Sapphire, especially the neon blue screen graphics. It it came with a Santo Monica interior, I would be lost. Utterly.
Just come up with the compromise.. gravity sapphire. If that appeals to you that is.
 
For a short period of time i contemplated the Sapphire.
But... what completely turned me off is the tire size, 20"-front, 21"-rear. Summer tires, of course, smooth surface (track) and no potholes. That excludes the car as a daily driver.
Love the color, the image, the performance, but I'm being forced to pass.
 
For a short period of time i contemplated the Sapphire.
But... what completely turned me off is the tire size, 20"-front, 21"-rear. Summer tires, of course, smooth surface (track) and no potholes. That excludes the car as a daily driver.
Love the color, the image, the performance, but I'm being forced to pass.
How does the tire size exclude the car? The regular air also comes with summer tires?
 
For a short period of time i contemplated the Sapphire.
But... what completely turned me off is the tire size, 20"-front, 21"-rear. Summer tires, of course, smooth surface (track) and no potholes. That excludes the car as a daily driver.
Love the color, the image, the performance, but I'm being forced to pass.

We're in south Florida and, for the most part, don't have to deal with potholes. Our Model S Plaid and our Lucid Air are both daily drivers that have 21" low-profile tires front and rear. (The Plaid also has the same width tires as the Sapphire: 265mm front / 295mm rear.) For us, the Sapphihre's reduction in front wheel diameter to 20" would actually be a boon that might offset a bit of the tauter suspension tuning the Sapphire will surely have.

While I don't like the interior of the Plaid, I could probably get past it. However, I'm worried about a reduction in range from our Air Dream P, which we always run with the aero blades and which I think look kinda weirdly cool. I think the Sapphire aero covers are hideous, but I'm worried about the range without them. Lucid has said the aero covers add "tens of miles" of range. Even taking the beefed up powertrain out of the equation, given that the wider tires are already going to take the Sapphire range down from the Dream P's 451-mile EPA rating, as will the increase in drag arising from dialing in more downforce to the aerodynamics, I'm guessing the Sapphire without those covers will come in below 400 EPA miles. Then, with the further reduction you'll get from real-world speeds on a road trip . . . .

I am not writing the Sapphire off completely just yet. I'm waiting to see what the Gravity will offer and whether they might broaden the interior options of the Sapphire down the road. If a high-power version of the Gravity has the range to be a viable road tripper, the Sapphire (without those hideous aero covers) could come back into play as a daily driver to replace our Dream or our Plaid.
 
How does the tire size exclude the car? The regular air also comes with summer tires?
My current GT-P originally came with 21", but i was able to replace it with the factory 19" (summer/winter/all season).
The Sapphire doesn't offer this option.
My interaction with the Murphy's Law would suggests I'd hit the pothole first week of driving the Sapphire.
Mind you, i did hit the pothole having 199 miles on my GT-P only. So, I'm concerned.
 
We're in south Florida and, for the most part, don't have to deal with potholes. Our Model S Plaid and our Lucid Air are both daily drivers that have 21" low-profile tires front and rear. (The Plaid also has the same width tires as the Sapphire: 265mm front / 295mm rear.) For us, the Sapphihre's reduction in front wheel diameter to 20" would actually be a boon that might offset a bit of the tauter suspension tuning the Sapphire will surely have.

While I don't like the interior of the Plaid, I could probably get past it. However, I'm worried about a reduction in range from our Air Dream P, which we always run with the aero blades and which I think look kinda weirdly cool. I think the Sapphire aero covers are hideous, but I'm worried about the range without them. Lucid has said the aero covers add "tens of miles" of range. Even taking the beefed up powertrain out of the equation, given that the wider tires are already going to take the Sapphire range down from the Dream P's 451-mile EPA rating, as will the increase in drag arising from dialing in more downforce to the aerodynamics, I'm guessing the Sapphire without those covers will come in below 400 EPA miles. Then, with the further reduction you'll get from real-world speeds on a road trip . . . .

I am not writing the Sapphire off completely just yet. I'm waiting to see what the Gravity will offer and whether they might broaden the interior options of the Sapphire down the road. If a high-power version of the Gravity has the range to be a viable road tripper, the Sapphire (without those hideous aero covers) could come back into play as a daily driver to replace our Dream or our Plaid.
Aero blades are ugly, i agree. But they are an option at least.
Am I writing the Sapphire off?
I'm like you, not yet.
Just hoping for an alternative wheels/ tires (center locking) option either from Lucid, or Tire rack.
I'm petrified being stuck on the side of the road again.
Whoever comes out with an idea to have a Sapphire spare tire replacement, like i have in my frunk right now, will be a winner.
 
@hmp10, forgot to ask, do you have any inside info on the Gravity?
:)
 
@hmp10, forgot to ask, do you have any inside info on the Gravity?
:)

Nope, sorry. Actually, I don't have any inside information about Lucid at all. (Wish I did, though.) I did have some frank conversations with Zak Edson, VP of Sales & Service, back around the time the Florida Design Studios were opening. But I don't think he told me anything he wouldn't have told anyone who asked.
 
Thanks for sharing that article, which I found rather interesting and informative. It looks like lucid really is aiming for this car to be a true all-round performance car rather than the plaid which, to me, is more a drag race car. After reading the article it makes me think that this car may actually be a good track car! A daily driver + a true track car would certainly have advantages as depending on how good of a track car it is, I may be able to free up garage space that is currently taken up by my track car.

I am wondering though, how many here who are interested in the sapphire would actually be taking it to the track? If not, then, if I may ask, why choose a sapphire over a GT-P or a dream-P? I assume the standard/softest suspension will be stiffer than the other models and the range down a bit so what advantages would be garnered if not taking to the track? And if one is going to track it, given its weight and size, could it really compare to a small lightweight track car (eg mclaren 600lt/765lt or Ferrari 458 speciale or 488 pista)? The GT is sporty enough to be driven spiritedly on public roads (too much for here in Vancouver, actually) that any more sporty for me would mean needing to go to a track. As a car enthusiast I've always "valued" performance versions of cars like BMW M or mercedes AMG but it was based on the fact that their base versions weren't that sporty. However, with the AGT/GT-P being as sporty and exciting to drive as those M/AMG cars, it makes the sapphire harder to justify unless it is a phenomenal track car as well.

I'd be curious to hear of others' thoughts on the sapphire including why one would purchase it instead of the other models.
 
I am wondering though, how many here who are interested in the sapphire would actually be taking it to the track? If not, then, if I may ask, why choose a sapphire over a GT-P or a dream-P? I assume the standard/softest suspension will be stiffer than the other models and the range down a bit so what advantages would be garnered if not taking to the track?

Let me give my take as a guy who will never put his car on a race track or drag strip.

Yours is exactly the question I have been wrestling with ever since I bought my first Tesla Model S P90D. I have always had an irrational "thing" about having the most powerful version of any model I buy. When Mazda came out with a new-generation RX-7 in 1986, I bought one but traded it the next year for the RX-7 Turbo that was introduced. When I bought a new-generation MB SL500 in 2003, I traded it the next year when the SL55 AMG came out. When I got an early 2008 Audi R8, I traded it for the V10 as soon as they added it to the line-up in 2010.

With each of these trades, the usable performance of the car notched up noticeably.

But then along came Tesla's new dual-motor performance EV. For the first time I had a car that I could not imagine being able to use any more power on public roads. And, for the first time, I sat on the sidelines as Tesla rolled out increasingly higher-performance versions: the addition of "ludicrous" mode, the increase of the battery pack to 100 kWh, the introduction of the Raven suspension. I finally made the move to a Model S Plaid in 2021, but only because the extended warranty was running out on the 2015 Model S, and it is not a car I would want to own outside of warranty given some of the repairs it had needed.

So . . . now Lucid is presenting me with the same question: what real added purpose will the Sapphire bring to the driving I do that I do not already get from our Dream Performance? (Our Dream P already wastes our Plaid in the handling department, even on its skinnier tires.)

Frankly, I can only think of two things, and their utility is vanishingly small: I could trounce our Plaid at a stoplight when we're out in both cars at the same time, and the rear torque vectoring would rotate the car a bit more precisely when powering through one of the huge 10-lane intersections in Florida late at night when there is little traffic.

The trade-off for these rare advantages would be the constant presence of a stiffer suspension, less range, and an interior I palette I really don't like.

Would I do it? Hell, I still don't know. (See Paragraph 2, above.)
 
I read that and immediately thought of shoes ;)
Imelda Marcos?
Allegedly owning over 3,000 pairs of shoes? Talking bit over the top fetish?
Lol.
 
Let me give my take as a guy who will never put his car on a race track or drag strip.

Yours is exactly the question I have been wrestling with ever since I bought my first Tesla Model S P90D. I have always had an irrational "thing" about having the most powerful version of any model I buy. When Mazda came out with a new-generation RX-7 in 1986, I bought one but traded it the next year for the RX-7 Turbo that was introduced. When I bought a new-generation MB SL500 in 2003, I traded it the next year when the SL55 AMG came out. When I got an early 2008 Audi R8, I traded it for the V10 as soon as they added it to the line-up in 2010.

With each of these trades, the usable performance of the car notched up noticeably.

But then along came Tesla's new dual-motor performance EV. For the first time I had a car that I could not imagine being able to use any more power on public roads. And, for the first time, I sat on the sidelines as Tesla rolled out increasingly higher-performance versions: the addition of "ludicrous" mode, the increase of the battery pack to 100 kWh, the introduction of the Raven suspension. I finally made the move to a Model S Plaid in 2021, but only because the extended warranty was running out on the 2015 Model S, and it is not a car I would want to own outside of warranty given some of the repairs it had needed.

So . . . now Lucid is presenting me with the same question: what real added purpose will the Sapphire bring to the driving I do that I do not already get from our Dream Performance? (Our Dream P already wastes our Plaid in the handling department, even on its skinnier tires.)

Frankly, I can only think of two things, and their utility is vanishingly small: I could trounce our Plaid at a stoplight when we're out in both cars at the same time, and the rear torque vectoring would rotate the car a bit more precisely when powering through one of the huge 10-lane intersections in Florida late at night when there is little traffic.

The trade-off for these rare advantages would be the constant presence of a stiffer suspension, less range, and an interior I palette I really don't like.

Would I do it? Hell, I still don't know. (See Paragraph 2, above.)
If all you want is better handling, buy some sapphire fenders and get the wider tires. Of course, the paint would be a issue but we can worry about that later.
 
Let me give my take as a guy who will never put his car on a race track or drag strip.
We do differ a bit in that field, as for the first time I tracked my 2014 Audi S8 with APR tune, Monticello upstate NY with very questionable results (i didn't know what i was doing).
Then few more times with my Huracan (much better results).
Ended up doing Lamborghini Esperienza, Lime Rock Park (with very good results).
Would I track the Sapphire? Definitely yes, if I get it. And it doesn't look like I will :)
Yours is exactly the question I have been wrestling with ever since I bought my first Tesla Model S P90D. I have always had an irrational "thing" about having the most powerful version of any model I buy. When Mazda came out with a new-generation RX-7 in 1986, I bought one but traded it the next year for the RX-7 Turbo that was introduced. When I bought a new-generation MB SL500 in 2003, I traded it the next year when the SL55 AMG came out. When I got an early 2008 Audi R8, I traded it for the V10 as soon as they added it to the line-up in 2010.

With each of these trades, the usable performance of the car notched up noticeably.

But then along came Tesla's new dual-motor performance EV. For the first time I had a car that I could not imagine being able to use any more power on public roads. And, for the first time, I sat on the sidelines as Tesla rolled out increasingly higher-performance versions: the addition of "ludicrous" mode, the increase of the battery pack to 100 kWh, the introduction of the Raven suspension. I finally made the move to a Model S Plaid in 2021, but only because the extended warranty was running out on the 2015 Model S, and it is not a car I would want to own outside of warranty given some of the repairs it had needed.

So . . . now Lucid is presenting me with the same question: what real added purpose will the Sapphire bring to the driving I do that I do not already get from our Dream Performance? (Our Dream P already wastes our Plaid in the handling department, even on its skinnier tires.)
And that's the $100 question. GT-P (in my case) is my DD with 19" tires and can't be beaten by almost anything, except hypercars.
Frankly, I can only think of two things, and their utility is vanishingly small: I could trounce our Plaid at a stoplight when we're out in both cars at the same time, and the rear torque vectoring would rotate the car a bit more precisely when powering through one of the huge 10-lane intersections in Florida late at night when there is little traffic.

The trade-off for these rare advantages would be the constant presence of a stiffer suspension, less range, and an interior I palette I really don't like.
Correct. Right now we have 3 modes to choose from: pamper, less pamper, and no pamper. Personally I use two only. Smooth, City time and Sprint on highways. Absolutely love Sprint mode.
Would I do it? Hell, I still don't know. (See Paragraph 2, above.)
Unless Lucid offers 19" wheels... I'm out.
 
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