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Sandvinsd

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this reminds me again why I have never wanted a Tesla. Can’t imagine that Lucid would ever do something like this.

 

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I saw that a couple of days ago and it did make me laugh. However Tesla is not alone with issues like this. Some high end cars are being delivered without HUDs despite owners having ordered them. Those individuals can either get a monetary credit or cancel their order. Unfortunately it puts many in a tough spot since they've waited 6-12 months for their cars. The thing that surprised me with the Tesla issue is that you wouldn't generally consider a USB port as a 'high tech' item. It's possible the supporting electronics for those ports, in the affected cars, is the real issue.
 

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I saw that a couple of days ago and it did make me laugh. However Tesla is not alone with issues like this. Some high end cars are being delivered without HUDs despite owners having ordered them. Those individuals can either get a monetary credit or cancel their order. Unfortunately it puts many in a tough spot since they've waited 6-12 months for their cars. The thing that surprised me with the Tesla issue is that you wouldn't generally consider a USB port as a 'high tech' item. It's possible the supporting electronics for those ports, in the affected cars, is the real issue.
During the "Inside EVs podcast" a few weeks ago a person from Ford was saying the chips that are in demand are the simple ones not the complex processors, in general. Simple ones like seat memory or on off state.
 

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Looking forward to see where Lucid fits in on the Consumer Reports car reliability rankings.

You may not see that for a number of years. CR tends to dismiss cars with few sampling reports, which makes sense if you think about it. You need at least a somewhat significant database for reliability rankings to mean much.
 

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Looking forward to see where Lucid fits in on the Consumer Reports car reliability rankings.


Consumer Reports requires a minimum sample size of 200 per model year for each vehicle.

Tesla refuses to give CR access to Tesla registered owners through DMV list that require OEM permission. California is a State that requires OEM permission.

Tesla says they are protecting Tesla owners privacy. ;) This is why getting Tesla properly ranked has been a long hard slog.

IF Lucid gives CR permission and Lucid produces ~20k vehicles next year CR should rank them a year from now for the 2023 model year.
 

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Rob, the workaround that I’d assume CR uses is that all CR subscribers get an annual mailing asking for reliability data on their cars (I do). So a Tesla owner & CR subscriber, whether having their name released by Tesla or not, will be able to submit data on their car.
 

Rob Stark

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Rob, the workaround that I’d assume CR uses is that all CR subscribers get an annual mailing asking for reliability data on their cars (I do). So a Tesla owner & CR subscriber, whether having their name released by Tesla or not, will be able to submit data on their car.
CR subscribers that buy a new Tesla at the beginning of a model year was quite low for a long time.

As time has gone on this has grown. But as CR becomes ever more critical of Tesla my guess is the percentage of Tesla owners that are CR subscribers will go down.
 

dawktah LucidGT

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CR subscribers that buy a new Tesla at the beginning of a model year was quite low for a long time.

As time has gone on this has grown. But as CR becomes ever more critical of Tesla my guess is the percentage of Tesla owners that are CR subscribers will go down.
Tesla owners are real protective, at their own peril?
 

Rob Stark

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Tesla owners are real protective, at their own peril?

Most people are prone to confirmation bias.

I see it here too. People give more weight to positive than negative reviews.

Almost no modern cars have such poor quality they leave owners on the side of the road. Or are dangerous to own

This is also true of Tesla.

I saw a CR tester test FSD. He thought he engaged FSD but didn't and let go of the wheel. You can partially blame UI on this. Some Tesla owners report they can't find how to engage a function in the UI as a defect. We just saw the first youtube vid from the guy in Nebraska who couldn't find how to adjust regenerative braking in the Air. Is that a defect?

The hardest part of ramping up is maintaining quality. We shall see how it goes for Lucid with the Air.
 

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Maybe it is confirmation bias, I've owned a few cars but by no means as many as some people on this forum. I have however never had a car with misaligned panels, covers on pillars coming off, window not lowering for door opening on a new car.
 

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Maybe it is confirmation bias, I've owned a few cars but by no means as many as some people on this forum. I have however never had a car with misaligned panels, covers on pillars coming off, window not lowering for door opening on a new car.

Neither have most Tesla owners.

Tesla just consistently has a few more defects per car. And news outlets love publishing any problem/fire with Tesla. Because it gets clicks. Anecdotal data is bovine feces. We should look at the best available scientifically valid data. Consumer Reports,JD Power and Auto Pacifica are not perfect but they are the best we have.

In the luxury vehicle game, only Lexus is consistently in the top 5. And Lexus forgoes bleeding edge tech because they hang their hat on reliability and reliability rankings.

Lexus generally has just under 100 defects per 100 cars. Or 1 defect per new car on average.

Tesla is usually at ~250 defects per 100 cars. Tesla is among the worst in the industry but averages 2.5 defects per car.

Is the difference of 1.5 defects per car from Tesla vs the best in the industry really a deal breaker? Most of the time the defect is a software bug or paint defect.

Not panels falling off nor panel gaps that the average person can tell without close examination.

The average Model X owner needs to go to the service center to align his falcon wing doors 2.5 times. Then they generally just work.
 
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