Mobile key question

It’s because Bluetooth was never good as a protocol to unlock a car. Bluetooth is used by both the fob and mobile key. Rivian owners are experiencing the same problem with their Bluetooth system. This is why auto manufacturers, including Lucid with the Gravity, are going to UWB and/or NFC.
I believe my [brand which never shall be mentioned) Model 3 uses Bluetooth. No problems. A friend just bought the Mercedes EV. No unlocking problems. And if it's a Bluetooth problem, maybe we can encourage other posters to avoid saying it's a contract problem with the manufacturer.
 
I believe my [brand which never shall be mentioned) Model 3 uses Bluetooth. No problems. A friend just bought the Mercedes EV. No unlocking problems. And if it's a Bluetooth problem, maybe we can encourage other posters to avoid saying it's a contract problem with the manufacturer.
Although we have beat this dead horse into submission several times, I will still respond. Lucid would love to go away from Bluetooth on the Air but they are having a contract issue/vendor issue doing so. Why is it so hard for you to understand?

Also, let's keep our facts straight. Since the 2024 model year Mercedes has used Ultra Wideband, what they call "Digital Key 3.0." In the past they did use BLE.

Just because your singular Model 3 successfully uses Bluetooth, does not mean they all do. There have been many frustrations with Tesla Bluetooth:
...and on and on
 
Although we have beat this dead horse into submission several times, I will still respond. Lucid would love to go away from Bluetooth on the Air but they are having a contract issue/vendor issue doing so. Why is it so hard for you to understand?

Also, let's keep our facts straight. Since the 2024 model year Mercedes has used Ultra Wideband, what they call "Digital Key 3.0." In the past they did use BLE.

Just because your singular Model 3 successfully uses Bluetooth, does not mean they all do. There have been many frustrations with Tesla Bluetooth:
...and on and on
Thanks for participating and clarifying even though it's frustrating for you. And, I didn't know that [unnamed brand] was having issues. We have two of those cars and no issue. But, you're right; that's anecdotal and doesn't prove anything. Links to [unnamed brand's] problems are helpful and good information.

The only reason this particular participant (me) continues with this issue is because some of the information posted on these threads can be misleading (inadvertent, for sure). When people helped with information about the contract issue, we saw several posts about the fob manufacturer, even including their name and photos of the fob. That was, in my opinion, unfortunate and a blind alley. If it's a Bluetooth only issue regardless of the source (phone, fob) then that's really good information.

With that knowledge, we can stop turning off Wi-Fi, we can get rid of the faraday cages and stop going to rear doors first and all the other non-working work-arounds.
 
The response that Lucid is locked into a contract with 3rd party supplier for the Air locking system has been mentioned numerous times. I know this forum is heavy on engineers and programmers, but maybe if we have a good lawyer on the forum can explain how a contract for a blatantly under performing product could not be canceled.
 
...I know this forum is heavy on engineers and programmers, but maybe if we have a good lawyer on the forum can explain how a contract for a blatantly under performing product could not be canceled.
With all respect, does it matter? Lucid has suffered because of this and I trust that they would've fixed it long ago, through one means or another, if it was remotely feasible.
 
I stood right next to Peter Rawlinson when he himself discussed this situation publicly. As I've said here before, he divulged that they were locked into a vendor deal for this key and unlocking system and they were also disappointed with the performance. Unfortunately, they do not currently have a way out of it. Now, I'm no lawyer, and I didn't vet the information or even past judgment on it. I'm just passing along what I personally heard him say.

I have also personally spoken with several Lucid executives who are also very aware of this situation and want to change it. But, it is currently not changeable.
for those of us that don't attend every press junket to ask the creators questions, I still feel that Lucid absolutely should release a statement as a formal admission of the issue instead of forcing the service center technicians to deliver 'there's nothing I can tell you' word salads to the owners that raise the topic. I get it. we're early adopters of an incredible car... however, every day I'm standing next my locked car door waiting to get in, feels like Lucid couldn't give two shits about the people that are (trying to get) in their cars. when someone asks me "how to you like your Lucid?" my standard response.. "the drive is incredible, however it's very close to a lemon as their basic tech is so severely flawed and they can't and won't fix it."
 
Thanks for participating and clarifying even though it's frustrating for you. And, I didn't know that [unnamed brand] was having issues. We have two of those cars and no issue. But, you're right; that's anecdotal and doesn't prove anything. Links to [unnamed brand's] problems are helpful and good information.

The only reason this particular participant (me) continues with this issue is because some of the information posted on these threads can be misleading (inadvertent, for sure). When people helped with information about the contract issue, we saw several posts about the fob manufacturer, even including their name and photos of the fob. That was, in my opinion, unfortunate and a blind alley. If it's a Bluetooth only issue regardless of the source (phone, fob) then that's really good information.

With that knowledge, we can stop turning off Wi-Fi, we can get rid of the faraday cages and stop going to rear doors first and all the other non-working work-arounds.
The fob has separate issues than the mobile key, if either has issues at all. The mobile key actually *doesn’t* have issues, assuming your phone’s Bluetooth stack is awake (which usually means simply unlocking it).

Tesla uses UWB (which is still Bluetooth), just like Gravity. Air uses regular Bluetooth.

The fob and mobile key are separate issues.
 
Tesla uses UWB (which is still Bluetooth), just like Gravity. Air uses regular Bluetooth.
I am going to have to disagree on UWB being Bluetooth. UWB uses the broad spectrum of frequency (3.1 GHz to 10.6 GHz) which is why it is resistant to interference. Bluetooth is narrow band 2.4 GHz to 2.48 GHz. The narrow band nature of Bluetooth makes it more susceptible to interference.
 
I am going to have to disagree on UWB being Bluetooth. UWB uses the broad spectrum of frequency (3.1 GHz to 10.6 GHz) which is why it is resistant to interference. Bluetooth is narrow band 2.4 GHz to 2.48 GHz. The narrow band nature of Bluetooth makes it more susceptible to interference.
Good point; I misspoke.
 
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