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Paladin732 said:
As for the comfort, definitely is a personal preference. Granted, I’m 5’6”, but when we went up to Napa I could lay down flat in the backseat and relax super easy. I also had no problems with my knees being high.
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any idea if you can fold the back seats to be completely flat? i think Tesla M3 has that option where you can lay out a bed for camping.
 
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hellolucid said:
any idea if you can fold the back seats to be completely flat? i think Tesla M3 has that option whether you can lay out a bed for camping.
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Not completely...
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I think the bigger problem is the car shuts off after maybe 15 min? If you are just sitting inside. So if you fall asleep...not sure how cabin temp would keep?
hellolucid said:
Thanks. Not the end of the world although would've been nice.
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springbok said:
I spent an hour driving the Lucid. An absolutely wonderful drive. My 6'1" son sat in the back seat. I understand the battery packaging under the back floor...but he said there was no way that he could spend more than a mimimum time riding in the back seat with his knees almost chin height because of how close the floor level was to the seat height.
When i rode back home in my Lexus LS its stuck me how comfortable the LS was compared to the Lucid. I believe that Lucid...and Tesla have missed an important 'boat'.
While the technology of the car is impressive, and range is superb, most drivers spending $139,000 coming from Lexus or MBZ and are used to interior luxury. At this expense...add another $5000 and pad the inside of the doors; the dash board; the rear seats....Think of your customer...not just the tech and mileage. I would have bought in a heart beat if my seating experience was more luxurious. Now...unless Lucid focuses on 'creature comfort' in their next revision...I was disappointed.
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It's interesting how different all of us are on this forum. I'm quite certain I have never once sat in the backseat of any car I've owned, nor have I asked for the opinion of how comfortable my backseat passenger is. If I was buying a car for someone else to drive me around in while I sat in the back seat, I guess this might be important. Otherwise, my wife and her friends can sit back there. I seriously doubt they would notice that they were uncomfortable because they'd be too busy talking to care. But if the back seat is important to you, I agree with others that the smaller-battery Touring or Pure might be better for you.
 
Mountain Man said:
It's interesting how different all of us are on this forum. I'm quite certain I have never once sat in the backseat of any car I've owned, nor have I asked for the opinion of how comfortable my backseat passenger is. If I was buying a car for someone else to drive me around in while I sat in the back seat, I guess this might be important. Otherwise, my wife and her friends can sit back there. I seriously doubt they would notice that they were uncomfortable because they'd be too busy talking to care. But if the back seat is important to you, I agree with others that the smaller-battery Touring or Pure might be better for you.
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Same for me as well for a number of years. Never really occurred to me to care or ask. Then I had more kids and they tend to grow faster than you think. Now they all complain about either sitting in the back of the Maserati or worse having more than 2 people in the back is some kind of atrocity. The GT was my way of keeping a sporty car and reducing the chances of mutiny.
 
duc900 said:
Same for me as well for a number of years. Never really occurred to me to care or ask. Then I had more kids and they tend to grow faster than you think. Now they all complain about either sitting in the back of the Maserati or worse having more than 2 people in the back is some kind of atrocity. The GT was my way of keeping a sporty car and reducing the chances of mutiny.
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Deal with it or walk is my motto
 
CLTGT said:
Yes, EVERYTHING seems to be California focused, but that is just natural since it is easier to oversee things closer at hand.
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I think all BEV companies are focusing first on California. Largest state; most robust economy. Strong environmental requirements and public. All put together makes California the first target for a company like Lucid.
 
Yea, it just gets to be a bit much with all of the color palette choices being "grounded" in California, the Bear, the Service Centers, the Sales Facilities, names of the interior choices, etc. It's kind of a chicken and egg thing. Maybe the reason for CA having so many EV's is because they have the focus and infrastructure there. I know many here were very hesitant to buy a Tesla because there was no way to service it in Charlotte. Tesla opens a service center here and, wow, 3x-5x more Teslas on the road here. I have counted the number of Teslas on my way to an appointment I used to have three days a week, only 5 miles away, 15 minutes in traffic, and routinely see 5-10 Teslas of varying models in the short drive. At some point, it is about the manufacturer making the investment and not the customer taking the risk.

I also agree that CA tends to be a place that lends itself to a greater concentration of EV's. Again, it just makes it harder to make the switch in other geographic areas when they are relying on customers to take the risk that the support and infrastructure won't be there. Bottom line, not having presence in an area will limit their sales, period. It is not a one-way thing.
 
Mountain Man said:
It's interesting how different all of us are on this forum. I'm quite certain I have never once sat in the backseat of any car I've owned, nor have I asked for the opinion of how comfortable my backseat passenger is.
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Yes, we do all have different needs with car seating. Being a retiree with friends who are mostly retired, we do a lot of long day trips with four people in a vehicle. As we live out in the boonies, we are usually the ones driving to pick everyone up, as all our friends live closer in to town and to the departure points for our trips.

As much as I loved to drive our first Tesla Model S, putting an older person with arthritis and the similar plagues of advancing age into such a cramped backseat was simply too much to ask of them for a day-long trip. So we always ended up taking our Honda Odyssey minivan for such trips. The updated Model S Plaid does have a significantly improved rear seat, but it still does not offer the room needed to relieve the pressures of long sitting for older people.

One of the reasons I ordered a Lucid Air soon after its debut was the promise of more accommodating rear quarters so that we could drive an EV on our group outings. This is why the rear knee position loomed as such an issue for me. Fortunately, while the smaller battery pack would make for more comfort, the Air even with the larger pack is quite tolerable for a long outing with oldsters in the back.
 
Lucken said:
Not so sure:
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That article doesn't match the classic definition of "robust economy" - if it had stuck to stability rather than adding potential, it would have been good. Probably should have used size or GDP rather than robust economy in the list of why so CA centric. California comprises 14.6% of the US GDP and easily outdistances Texas as the highest GDP state. I think Lucid said they are building studios/service centers according to number of orders so it makes sense that Southern FL/SoCal/Bay area CA have the highest concentration. There's also more charging infrastructure in CA. I have EA stations 2 and 7 miles from me and they are adding another that will be 2 miles away.

I am surprised there weren't more and earlier opening studios through the NY to DC area.
 
I think if you asked 10 people, or 10 economists for that matter, for the definition of a 'robust economy', you'd get 10 different answers. ;)

Remember too there's quite an exodus out of California just like there is here in my home state of N.Y. People are getting pretty fed up with waste and mismanagement.
 
Kind of a flawed and self-fulfilling strategy. They are going to set up their infrastructure (Sales and Service) where the most orders are, but the most orders are always going to be where the Sales and Service Centers are. Customers will have larger concerns and, hence, will be reticent to order where they don't have support, meaning they will never have as many customers in those areas, big chicken and egg, circular argument. Problem right now is that they have set up areas where there are locations an hour from each other while there are many places where there are no locations within 10-12 hours of the nearest service center. I wonder if that is impacting who gets their cars earlier than others? It is definitely an interesting business case to study as I may be one of only a few who have ordered in NC (even though I saw another Air in Charlotte a couple weeks ago), but I am considering waiting to get my car delivered, or even canceling, until they have a Service Center closer. If people like me cancel, they will never have enough orders to justify a Service Center and I will never order because they don't have a Service Center less than 600 miles away. The fact that they are having issues like screen replacement, recalls, etc. that require a Service Center and that we are now hearing that the Service Centers they do have are being stretched does not help the cause.

There is plenty of charging around Charlotte, not as much as in CA, but enough that I do not really worry about that aspect. The range has gotten to a point where it somewhat mitigates that concern, not totally, but somewhat. I have already installed 14-50 outlets in my house here in Charlotte and out at my lake house. Any longer trips, we take my wife's SUV.
 
CLTGT said:
they don't have a Service Center less than 600 miles away. The fact that they are having issues like screen replacement, recalls, etc. that require a Service Center and that we are now hearing that the Service Centers they do have are being stretched does not help the cause.
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I've been wondering how they could possibly make a profit on customers like you. A 600 mile trip for the mobile service van in each direction - plus transport for your car if needed, plus the cost of a loaner for weeks - will eat up whatever margin they have on your car pretty quickly. Is their plan to lose money especially quickly in places like NC until they build up a critical mass of owners there?
 
idiot900 said:
I've been wondering how they could possibly make a profit on customers like you. A 600 mile trip for the mobile service van in each direction - plus transport for your car if needed, plus the cost of a loaner for weeks - will eat up whatever margin they have on your car pretty quickly. Is their plan to lose money especially quickly in places like NC until they build up a critical mass of owners there?
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Operational loss is common for a startup like Lucid. I think the important number is number of cars delivered which drives the stock up and secure future investments.
 
It was years before Tesla made any money on building cars as opposed to selling energy credits. I think several years of negative cash flow is already baked into Lucid's planning and the analysts' assessments of Lucid.
 
I honestly hope they do not take a loss on my car due to service. I would rather my car not need to be taken to a service center, period. It's all the stuff that seems to be happening though that leads me to worry about Service Centers in the first place.
 
Lucken said:
I think if you asked 10 people, or 10 economists for that matter, for the definition of a 'robust economy', you'd get 10 different answers. ;)

Remember too there's quite an exodus out of California just like there is here in my home state of N.Y. People are getting pretty fed up with waste and mismanagement.
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The exodus out of CA (and NY) is vastly overstated. It happens every 5-10 years and every time, someone proclaims it’s “the death of the valley” and yet that hasn’t happened.

This is just another local minimum in a series of many.

www.independent.co.uk

California ‘exodus’ never happened, new study says

Rise in cost of living and pandemic had been blamed for supposed relocation of tens of thousands
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
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