Gravity Tire Replacement Comparison

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I like the look of the largest 22/23 wheels and tires but they are summer tires and will most definitely wear quickly. I'll probably go with the smaller 20/21 wheel and tire package for a better ride and longer tread ware so I did some research on Tirerack.com to compare tire replacement prices and it was an eye-opener:

4-20/21 Hankook: $1,611.96
4-21/22 Pirelli: $1,987.56
4-22/23 Pirelli: $2,957.28
 
I like the look of the largest 22/23 wheels and tires but they are summer tires and will most definitely wear quickly. I'll probably go with the smaller 20/21 wheel and tire package for a better ride and longer tread ware so I did some research on Tirerack.com to compare tire replacement prices and it was an eye-opener:

4-20/21 Hankook: $1,611.96
4-21/22 Pirelli: $1,987.56
4-22/23 Pirelli: $2,957.28
The 21/22 are Michelins. Did you price the right ones?
 
The 21/22 are Michelins. Did you price the right ones?
Correction, the middle tier is Michelin:

4-20/21 Hankook: $1,611.96
4-21/22 Michelin: $1,909.96
4-22/23 Pirelli: $2,957.28

Thanks!
 
My experience with summer tires is that they last about 6K to 10K miles and $3,000 for replacement tires are not a great choice for most owners and the ride will not be as comfortable. Looks aren't everything. ;)

Just giving everyone a heads up since I've been through this with our EQS 580 SUV. The summer tires that came on the car only lasted 6K miles before they wouldn't pass inspection so we had all-season tires put on it that are wearing much longer and work much better on slippery roads.
 
My experience with summer tires is that they last about 6K to 10K miles and $3,000 for replacement tires are not a great choice for most owners and the ride will not be as comfortable. Looks aren't everything. ;)

Just giving everyone a heads up since I've been through this with our EQS 580 SUV. The summer tires that came on the car only lasted 6K miles before they wouldn't pass inspection so we had all-season tires put on it that are wearing much longer and work much better on slippery roads.
Probably depends on the tire, I've gotten 30k+ miles on Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. Summer tires should have much better traction on wet roads than all-season tires as long as it's not cold out. Obviously on icy roads you'll quickly slide into a ditch.
The cost of the Pirellis is extremely high. I'll probably get my gravity with the 20/21 option and look for another set of wheels and tires for the summer.
 
Probably depends on the tire, I've gotten 30k+ miles on Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. Summer tires should have much better traction on wet roads than all-season tires as long as it's not cold out. Obviously on icy roads you'll quickly slide into a ditch.
The cost of the Pirellis is extremely high. I'll probably get my gravity with the 20/21 option and look for another set of wheels and tires for the summer.
PZ5 are available in rear 21” size, that’s where I will be going with small wheels. Will need another set for winter which Lucid is planning to sell at like 6k if Air prices are an indicator
 
My experience with summer tires is that they last about 6K to 10K miles and $3,000 for replacement tires are not a great choice for most owners and the ride will not be as comfortable. Looks aren't everything. ;)

Just giving everyone a heads up since I've been through this with our EQS 580 SUV. The summer tires that came on the car only lasted 6K miles before they wouldn't pass inspection so we had all-season tires put on it that are wearing much longer and work much better on slippery roads.
Wow, the Pirelli summer tires on the Air last for at least 20k miles
 
My experience with summer tires is that they last about 6K to 10K miles
O_O what are you doing to your tires?!

my front 21s on my air lasted me 23k miles and my rears are still going; they'll probably make 25-26k before they are worn
 
Our Mercedes EQS SUV weighs 6200 pounds. I have no idea what your Air weighs, but the added weight wears the tires quickly when their soft compound summer tires.
 
Our Mercedes EQS SUV weighs 6200 pounds. I have no idea what your Air weighs, but the added weight wears the tires quickly when their soft compound summer tires.
The Air DE's GVWR is 6283 lbs. Curb weight is 5236 lbs. On the OEM Pirelli P Zero 4's, all LM1.
 
So our EQS is 1000 pounds curb weight heavier, but I don’t really think that is the entire issue. The tires Mercedes installed on it which were summer tires with soft compound rubber, and they simply wore out too quickly. This was a common complaint amongst owners of this vehicle. That said, you will have to shell out some $3000 to replace the large summer tires that they’re offering on the gravity and you will give up some ride quality with the low profile tires.
 
So our EQS is 1000 pounds curb weight heavier, but I don’t really think that is the entire issue. The tires Mercedes installed on it which were summer tires with soft compound rubber, and they simply wore out too quickly. This was a common complaint amongst owners of this vehicle. That said, you will have to shell out some $3000 to replace the large summer tires that they’re offering on the gravity and you will give up some ride quality with the low profile tires.
I’m not arguing, just surprised. Mine are also summer tires.
 
22" Pilot Sport 4S summer on my X Plaid. going on 32k miles strong.

-iThinkEV-
 
We moved from Philly to Miami last year, so I guess I’ll stick with the OEM summer tires with 22/23 rims.
 
I was curious what 3PMSF tires might cost for the 20/21 wheel combo. To my surprise, Tire Rack only lists the Vredestein Quatrac Pro+ as a 3PMSF option, for $1,309.08. I'd thought that CrossClimate 2 were made in the right sizes, but it appears they don't make the 284/45R21 size.
 
I was curious what 3PMSF tires might cost for the 20/21 wheel combo. To my surprise, Tire Rack only lists the Vredestein Quatrac Pro+ as a 3PMSF option, for $1,309.08. I'd thought that CrossClimate 2 were made in the right sizes, but it appears they don't make the 284/45R21 size.
I have the Vredesteins on my Model 3 and I like them.
The CC2 is available in the 21/22 sizes but speed rating is "only" 149mph so they don't show up in search (and some shops won't install them).
 
We had a very lengthy discussion on another thread about Lucid's tire choices for each of the wheel options -- a discussion that was especially enlightened by @PetevB who is an engineer and a car technical writer.

Lucid did not make the tire choices randomly for the Gravity. Each tire/wheel combo was chosen to accomplish specific purposes. The Hankooks on the smallest wheels were clearly chosen to optimize range, as the wide gap between their EPA rating and the other wheel options indicates. The Hankooks consistently show themselves across controlled tire tests by professional reviewers as the most range-efficient tires . . . but it comes at the cost of wet handling and braking, where they consistently test at or near the bottom.

At the other end, the P Zero PZ5 Pirellis on the largest wheels are Pirelli's newest performance tire, and Lucid worked with Pirelli to tune the LM1 version of the tire specifically to Lucid's specs. As far as I know, Lucid is the first manufacturer to mount them as OEM tires. The early reviews of this tire are placing it at the pinnacle of wet and dry handling and braking for road cars outside the realm of specialized race and track tires.

A good bit of the astonishing handling people are reporting for the Gravity comes from the cars mounted with these tires. One element of why may be the unusually square shoulders of this tire. Although the rear tires across all three wheel options have the same nominal width -- 285mm -- the tread patch at the pavement is considerably wider with the Pirellis: 10" vs. 8.9" for the mid-size Michelins and 8.6" for the Hankooks.

At the middle wheel option, the Michelins seem to be a choice driven by the desire to provide an all-season option that leans toward the performance rather than the efficiency end of the spectrum. While the EPA range of this mid-size combo is given to be the same as the large wheel option, tests of the Michelins have shown them to be among the best all-seasons in terms of traction, especially in wet and dry braking.

You might find some cheaper tires to put on your Gravity, but you'll very likely be giving up something Lucid strove to give you in terms of range and/or driving performance.
 
I like the look of the largest 22/23 wheels and tires but they are summer tires and will most definitely wear quickly. I'll probably go with the smaller 20/21 wheel and tire package for a better ride and longer tread ware so I did some research on Tirerack.com to compare tire replacement prices and it was an eye-opener:

4-20/21 Hankook: $1,611.96
4-21/22 Pirelli: $1,987.56
4-22/23 Pirelli: $2,957.28
Ouch!!!! Almost $3k for the largest sizes! Hadn't seen that sort of price before.
 
Ouch!!!! Almost $3k for the largest sizes! Hadn't seen that sort of price before.

The Pirelli PZ5 is a new top-of-the-range performance tire, and the LM1 version on the Lucid Gravity was manufacturer-tuned specifically for Lucid. So it's a very low-volume tire right now.

The price may drop a bit as Pirelli continues to expand the sizes of this new tire, although there aren't many cars that have 23" wheels. In fact, they've already dropped a bit since they first showed up in the U.S. at $1,025 per tire. (They were introduced in Europe a few months earlier.)
 
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