Gravity; SUV or Minivan

[pyle112]

Were any more details than that shared? (Like why the redesign was needed?

I think the Gravity looks a lot like the Aviator. So, is anyone saying the Aviator is a minivan? Not that I know of.

So why is it an issue with Gravity? Is it because the roof is flatter?


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It's the prestige gap https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYXEhWu1/

 

[Leftlane]

These are great side by side pictures that illustrate the differences between these two. The Aviator has a more pronounces sloping roof line with a heavy skew towards the rear. This was a trade off they felt was worth it given that rear headroom is going to be more limited compared to Gravity.

Minivans visually have a flatter roofline and the rear of the cabins are usually more vertical, again, for more capacity / utility but with the downside of visual appeal. SUV's also generally have a larger diameter tire, irrespective of wheel size.

Another attribute of a minivan is how much long the car is post rear door. Gravity is LONG post rear door giving it that overall longer look. Minivans are also relatively low to the ground.

Additionally, you have a relatively short hood as well.

Not one of these attributes alone equate to a minivan, but in combination, you create a minivan looking-ish design.

Did somebody say “length post rear door”? Doesn’t look like a minivan to me either (although in person it looks droopy in the rear like a full diaper)

 

[AP22]

Did somebody say “length post rear door”? Doesn’t look like a minivan to me either (although in person it looks droopy in the rear like a full diaper)

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There are tons of long SUV's. Escalade ESV is a practically a train.

But again, in my initial post: "Not one of these attributes alone equate to a minivan, but in combination, you create a minivan looking-ish design."

 

[xponents]

I think the Gravity looks a lot like the Aviator. So, is anyone saying the Aviator is a minivan? Not that I know of.

So why is it an issue with Gravity? Is it because the roof is flatter?


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I've really liked the Aviator, and I agree with this. For me, this picture really illustrates the differences: the body lines are almost the exact same, however, IMO, the "curves" on the rear of the car give it a very mini-van like look. I never "liked" the back of the Gravity, and even the back of the Air didn't look as good as some of its other angles, so this makes sense.

 

[Knucklehead]

It's the prestige gap https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTYXEhWu1/
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I think this is a good observation.

I am afraid to say this, because I don't like it, but the comparison with the Sienna is closer than the comparison with the Aviator. I think it is what you pointed out with the front of the vehicle, but also the height of the rear bumper over the ground. A SUV has higher clearance in the front and rear, and there is too much overhang on the front, and the rear is too close to the ground. Hmm.

I still want one.

 

[hmp10]

Minivans visually have a flatter roofline and the rear of the cabins are usually more vertical . . . .

So, then, this is a minivan?

Minivans are also relatively low to the ground.

Additionally, you have a relatively short hood as well.

And this, too, is a minivan then?

Honestly, you're just inventing whatever "standards" suit you to bolster your argument that the Gravity is a minivan.

There's not a single characteristic I have seen anyone claim in this discussion to categorically define a minivan or an SUV that I cannot find an example of its presence in a vehicle of the other category.

Lucid chooses to call the Gravity an SUV, just as Tesla chooses to call the Model X an SUV and Rivian chooses to call the R1S an SUV. Why are Tesla's and Rivian's categorizations almost universally accepted but Lucid's is being picked apart using cherry-picked standards every way from Sunday?

Rawlinson said the Gravity is aimed at an addressable market six times that of luxury sedans. He didn't mean the minivan market. If he's wrong and the notion that the Gravity is a minivan takes hold among a public largely (and absurdly) averse to minivans, he really landed in the wrong market for what the Gravity needs to do for Lucid.

You can say that the Gravity will set new standards for what a minivan can be and will change the public's mind, and the issue will evaporate. Well, the Air set new standards for what a luxury sports sedan could be . . . and its sales numbers have been a chronic disappointment.

 

[msaunders9430]

So, then, this is a minivan?

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And this, too, is a minivan then?

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Honestly, you're just inventing whatever "standards" suit you to bolster your argument that the Gravity is a minivan.

There's not a single characteristic I have seen anyone claim in this discussion to categorically define a minivan or an SUV that I cannot find an example of its presence in a vehicle of the other category.

Lucid chooses to call the Gravity an SUV, just as Tesla chooses to call the Model X an SUV and Rivian chooses to call the R1S an SUV. Why are Tesla's and Rivian's categorizations almost universally accepted but Lucid's is being picked apart using cherry-picked standards every way from Sunday?

Rawlinson said the Gravity is aimed at an addressable market six times that of luxury sedans. He didn't mean the minivan market. If he's wrong and the notion that the Gravity is a minivan takes hold among a public largely (and absurdly) averse to minivans, he really landed in the wrong market for what the Gravity needs to do for Lucid.

You can say that the Gravity will set new standards for what a minivan can be and will change the public's mind, and the issue will evaporate. Well, the Air set new standards for what a luxury sports sedan could be . . . and its sales numbers have been a chronic disappointment.

The Rivian has the higher ground clearance.
The Tesla has the sloped roof.
Therefore both defy the minivan look.

Gravity is defying gravity. Kidding
Gravity is defying the typical SUV form factors (mentioned is these most recent posts with the Navigator comparison) for the sake of function ( 3rd row headroom).

 

[Knucklehead]

The Rivian has the higher ground clearance.
The Tesla has the sloped roof.
Therefore both defy the minivan look.

Gravity is defying gravity. Kidding
Gravity is defying the typical SUV form factors (mentioned is these most recent posts with the Navigator comparison) for the sake of function ( 3rd row headroom).

One thing that makes Gravity look a lot less like a minivan are the wheel wells and wheels. They are much larger than on a typical minivan. As is apparent in the image comparison with the Sienna.

 

[msaunders9430]

One thing that makes Gravity look a lot less like a minivan are the wheel wells and wheels. They are much larger than on a typical minivan. As is apparent in the image comparison with the Sienna.

The lack of a rear sliding door also makes it look less like a minivan. Although, that fact isn't obvious since sliding rear doors are now designed such that you can't tell if the door opens or slides.

For me that is a significant characteristic of a minivan. As much as I like the Gravity, I'm not sure I would buy it if it had sliding rear doors. It's not so much the look of them. I just don't like them.

 

[DeaneG]

Minivan or not Minivan, the Gravity is sooo much better looking than the Sienna.