Gravity Delivery Discussion

[hmp10]

We're just bantering to increase the forum traffic.

Yeah, but I need to steal find a buyer for a used GDE.

 

[EVCar]

Yeah, but I need to steal find a buyer for a used GDE.

I have faith that Lucid will soon restore your Gravity to perfect operation parameters.

 

[jered]

Just picked up GDE #53 from the Goose Island Chicago service center and drove it back down to St. Louis. After five years with a couple of Teslas - a Model 3 Performance and later a Model X Plaid - I can honestly say I’m blown away by the Gravity.

Congrats! I hope all is working well and you enjoy the drive!

Given the sill plate number, I really do wonder how these got assigned...

 

[iorchii]

Congrats! I hope all is working well and you enjoy the drive!

Given the sill plate number, I really do wonder how these got assigned...

FYI, Snoop Dogg received Gravity delivery - wonder what sill plate number he got

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[dws3665]

The obvious answer is 420, he might have had to fight off Cheech and Chong.

 

[hmp10]

I have faith that Lucid will soon restore your Gravity to perfect operation parameters.

I'm pretty sure we'll get there, as we did with our early-production Air.

The issue is how many service visits and how much down time will it take. In less than two months we've already had two mobile service visits, and the car has now been in the shop for over a week. We've already canceled one trip we hoped to take in the Gravity, and our ability to use it for an upcoming trip on September 9 is in question.

And I'm not thrilled that the entire dashboard is having to be removed, as it can be a perplexing source of rattles and squeaks if everything is not put back together perfectly -- something that's much harder to do in a service shop than on the assembly line in an open frame.

If our car had been delivered with one or two relatively minor issues, I would think little of it. However, ours was delivered with a bright blue oval and white ghosts dancing across the windshield in all light conditions; a readily-visible bubble distortion on the HUD screen; non-functioning GPS, navigation, and ADAS systems; a frozen satellite map; a second-row rattle; and misaligned wheel arch trim. I can only conclude from this that either the car skipped inspection altogether to get it out the door of the factory and then the service center in order to make a Q2 delivery target (ours was delivered on June 30), or that Lucid has multi-point inspection failures with incoming components from suppliers, during the assembly process, during the brief factory test drive, or at the service center PDI . . . or all of the above.

And now that our second Gravity has been bumped up three weeks from the date I was told it was going to enter production, I'm worried that it, too, will be rushed out the door to make an end-of-quarter deadline as our first Gravity apparently was.

There was a long back-and-forth on this forum a while back about whether Lucid should delay deliveries until they could ship Gravities in better shape than they shipped the early Airs or whether it was more important to get deliveries underway and then deal with issues in the field. Those who wanted Lucid to start deliveries as early as possible got what they wanted. I got what I feared.

At least Lucid is still managing somehow to keep Gravities out of the hands of major reviewers for unsupervised testing, so the flood of press reports of key fob and software issues that plagued the Air introduction has been largely avoided so far. It'll be interesting to see how long this lasts.

 

[Bus Driver]

I'm pretty sure we'll get there, as we did with our early-production Air.

The issue is how many service visits and how much down time will it take. In less than two months we've already had two mobile service visits, and the car has now been in the shop for over a week. We've already canceled one trip we hoped to take in the Gravity, and our ability to use it for an upcoming trip on September 9 is in question.

And I'm not thrilled that the entire dashboard is having to be removed, as it can be a perplexing source of rattles and squeaks if everything is not put back together perfectly -- something that's much harder to do in a service shop than on the assembly line in an open frame.

If our car had been delivered with one or two relatively minor issues, I would think little of it. However, ours was delivered with a bright blue oval and white ghosts dancing across the windshield in all light conditions; a readily-visible bubble distortion on the HUD screen; non-functioning GPS, navigation, and ADAS systems; a frozen satellite map; a second-row rattle; and misaligned wheel arch trim. I can only conclude from this that either the car skipped inspection altogether to get it out the door of the factory and then the service center in order to make a Q2 delivery target (ours was delivered on June 30), or that Lucid has multi-point inspection failures with incoming components from suppliers, during the assembly process, during the brief factory test drive, or at the service center PDI . . . or all of the above.

And now that our second Gravity has been bumped up three weeks from the date I was told it was going to enter production, I'm worried that it, too, will be rushed out the door to make an end-of-quarter deadline as our first Gravity apparently was.

There was a long back-and-forth on this forum a while back about whether Lucid should delay deliveries until they could ship Gravities in better shape than they shipped the early Airs or whether it was more important to get deliveries underway and then deal with issues in the field. Those who wanted Lucid to start deliveries as early as possible got what they wanted. I got what I feared.

At least Lucid is still managing somehow to keep Gravities out of the hands of major reviewers for unsupervised testing, so the flood of press reports of key fob and software issues that plagued the Air introduction has been largely avoided so far. It'll be interesting to see how long this lasts.

A sobering assessment indeed, of the state of things as an early recipient of the Gravity. I really, really hope Lucid comes through for you this time. I also understand perfectly your concern about your dashboard having to be pulled apart. This may not be the reality but in my mind, all that echoes is “Humpty Dumpty sat on the wall…”

 

[jrreno]

So I’ve only ever purchased vehicles, never leased. It appears if one leases there is no sales tax?
Is there any difference in the cost of insurance?
I know we will drive more miles than the lease allows, does this come due at the end of the lease?
If I want the car at the end of the lease what happens?

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

I'm pretty sure we'll get there, as we did with our early-production Air.

The issue is how many service visits and how much down time will it take. In less than two months we've already had two mobile service visits, and the car has now been in the shop for over a week. We've already canceled one trip we hoped to take in the Gravity, and our ability to use it for an upcoming trip on September 9 is in question.

And I'm not thrilled that the entire dashboard is having to be removed, as it can be a perplexing source of rattles and squeaks if everything is not put back together perfectly -- something that's much harder to do in a service shop than on the assembly line in an open frame.

If our car had been delivered with one or two relatively minor issues, I would think little of it. However, ours was delivered with a bright blue oval and white ghosts dancing across the windshield in all light conditions; a readily-visible bubble distortion on the HUD screen; non-functioning GPS, navigation, and ADAS systems; a frozen satellite map; a second-row rattle; and misaligned wheel arch trim. I can only conclude from this that either the car skipped inspection altogether to get it out the door of the factory and then the service center in order to make a Q2 delivery target (ours was delivered on June 30), or that Lucid has multi-point inspection failures with incoming components from suppliers, during the assembly process, during the brief factory test drive, or at the service center PDI . . . or all of the above.

And now that our second Gravity has been bumped up three weeks from the date I was told it was going to enter production, I'm worried that it, too, will be rushed out the door to make an end-of-quarter deadline as our first Gravity apparently was.

There was a long back-and-forth on this forum a while back about whether Lucid should delay deliveries until they could ship Gravities in better shape than they shipped the early Airs or whether it was more important to get deliveries underway and then deal with issues in the field. Those who wanted Lucid to start deliveries as early as possible got what they wanted. I got what I feared.

At least Lucid is still managing somehow to keep Gravities out of the hands of major reviewers for unsupervised testing, so the flood of press reports of key fob and software issues that plagued the Air introduction has been largely avoided so far. It'll be interesting to see how long this lasts.

I agree 100% with your concerns. It’s why we’re deferring delivery of our second “in production” GGT. If I am a patient early adopter, my wife is the opposite!

I also believe they should slow/stop deliveries until certain major issues are 99% rectified with existing deliveries - mainly the fob. I know it’s a balance between need to deliver and quality, but my sense is the fob issue is widespread and Lucid is lucky the media hasn’t picked up on it.

That said, Lucid needs to do what they believe is in their best interest and only Lucid has all of the info. So, if they feel they can crank out Gravity now and fix issues later, I guess that’s fine. I am just not sure Lucid does understand the extent of some early issues. But I also realize we are in an echo chamber on the forum…

 

[iorchii]

So I’ve only ever purchased vehicles, never leased. It appears if one leases there is no sales tax?
Is there any difference in the cost of insurance?
I know we will drive more miles than the lease allows, does this come due at the end of the lease?
If I want the car at the end of the lease what happens?

Uncle Sam wants his tax, unless your state don't charge sales tax for example Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire & Oregon

Insurance cost the same but you are required to satisfy the minimum insurance coverage requirement per the lessor

You will be charge $0.XX for ever mile you exceed from the agreed lease agreement

Upon signing the lease agreement, there is a "lease buyout" amount you would pay to purchase the vehicle. Which you can finance from a local bank or credit union.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

So I’ve only ever purchased vehicles, never leased. It appears if one leases there is no sales tax?
Is there any difference in the cost of insurance?
I know we will drive more miles than the lease allows, does this come due at the end of the lease?
If I want the car at the end of the lease what happens?

Yes, you will owe something like $0.25/mile you go over if you don’t buy. The purchase amount at end of lease is stated in the lease. It’s about $67,000 for my 36 month lease for a car with an up front cost of $122k.

I chose to lease for the first time because I didn’t want to be stuck with it if Lucid can’t get their act together and because I’ve taken it in the shorts with EV depreciation for 4 other EVs (three Tesla and one Rivian).

If I still love it after three years, I will buy a new one. To be clear, even with its issues today, I love it. Such an amazing car.

 

[jrreno]

Uncle Sam wants his tax, unless your state don't charge sales tax for example Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire & Oregon

Insurance cost the same but you are required to satisfy the minimum insurance coverage requirement per the lessor

You will be charge $0.XX for ever mile you exceed from the agreed lease agreement

Upon signing the lease agreement, there is a "lease buyout" amount you would pay to purchase the vehicle. Which you can finance from a local bank or credit union.

Thanks!

 

[jrreno]

Yes, you will owe something like $0.25/mile you go over if you don’t buy. The purchase amount at end of lease is stated in the lease. It’s about $67,000 for my 36 month lease for a car with an up front cost of $122k.

I chose to lease for the first time because I didn’t want to be stuck with it if Lucid can’t get their act together and because I’ve taken it in the shorts with EV depreciation for 4 other EVs (three Tesla and one Rivian).

If I still love it after three years, I will buy a new one. To be clear, even with its issues today, I love it. Such an amazing car.

Thank you for the insight

 

[EVCar]

I'm pretty sure we'll get there, as we did with our early-production Air.

The issue is how many service visits and how much down time will it take. In less than two months we've already had two mobile service visits, and the car has now been in the shop for over a week. We've already canceled one trip we hoped to take in the Gravity, and our ability to use it for an upcoming trip on September 9 is in question.

And I'm not thrilled that the entire dashboard is having to be removed, as it can be a perplexing source of rattles and squeaks if everything is not put back together perfectly -- something that's much harder to do in a service shop than on the assembly line in an open frame.

If our car had been delivered with one or two relatively minor issues, I would think little of it. However, ours was delivered with a bright blue oval and white ghosts dancing across the windshield in all light conditions; a readily-visible bubble distortion on the HUD screen; non-functioning GPS, navigation, and ADAS systems; a frozen satellite map; a second-row rattle; and misaligned wheel arch trim. I can only conclude from this that either the car skipped inspection altogether to get it out the door of the factory and then the service center in order to make a Q2 delivery target (ours was delivered on June 30), or that Lucid has multi-point inspection failures with incoming components from suppliers, during the assembly process, during the brief factory test drive, or at the service center PDI . . . or all of the above.

And now that our second Gravity has been bumped up three weeks from the date I was told it was going to enter production, I'm worried that it, too, will be rushed out the door to make an end-of-quarter deadline as our first Gravity apparently was.

There was a long back-and-forth on this forum a while back about whether Lucid should delay deliveries until they could ship Gravities in better shape than they shipped the early Airs or whether it was more important to get deliveries underway and then deal with issues in the field. Those who wanted Lucid to start deliveries as early as possible got what they wanted. I got what I feared.

At least Lucid is still managing somehow to keep Gravities out of the hands of major reviewers for unsupervised testing, so the flood of press reports of key fob and software issues that plagued the Air introduction has been largely avoided so far. It'll be interesting to see how long this lasts.

A perennial worrier, I'm inclined to agree with you.
OTOH, we have no idea what's taken place behind the scenes and it could very well be true that Lucid has managed to remedy all known problems -- or think they have found a way to handle them.
Undoubtedly there will be recalcitrant cases or new issues, but as you and others have pointed out, things happen with all brands, new or legacy, EV or ICE.
For your particular GDE, though, I would've needed 2 bottles a day ..... of Maalox to handle the tsunami of problems.
I hope they will have your car back real soon and can even use it as a case study for other SCs.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

A perennial worrier, I'm inclined to agree with you.
OTOH, we have no idea what's taken place behind the scenes and it could very well be true that Lucid has managed to remedy all known problems -- or think they have found a way to handle them.
Undoubtedly there will be recalcitrant cases or new issues, but as you and others have pointed out, things happen with all brands, new or legacy, EV or ICE.
For your particular GDE, though, I would've needed 2 bottles a day ..... of Maalox to handle the tsunami of problems.
I hope they will have your car back real soon and can even use it as a case study for other SCs.

My issue is IF Lucid has figured out the fob issue in particular, I think it’s reasonable to expect them to address it with current owners proactively. They know I have the issue but haven’t said anything about fixing it. In fact, when mobile tech was here for window, he basically didn’t acknowledge to fob issue. Super nice guy, but seemed exasperated to hear about it again and didn’t offer an explanation or insight.

Again, not meant to whine, but feeling a bit hung out to dry. But, then I go drive the car and go to my happy place! And I expect when it goes to SC in two weeks, they’ll fix it.

 

[Kevmark58]

Yes, you will owe something like $0.25/mile you go over if you don’t buy. The purchase amount at end of lease is stated in the lease. It’s about $67,000 for my 36 month lease for a car with an up front cost of $122k.

I chose to lease for the first time because I didn’t want to be stuck with it if Lucid can’t get their act together and because I’ve taken it in the shorts with EV depreciation for 4 other EVs (three Tesla and one Rivian).

If I still love it after three years, I will buy a new one. To be clear, even with its issues today, I love it. Such an amazing car.

So what would someone have laid out in 36 months of leasing Gravity? You said $67k is the buy it, upon lease end. Is that worth it on a three year old car?

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

So what would someone have laid out in 36 months of leasing Gravity? You said $67k is the buy it, upon lease end. Is that worth it on a three year old car?

That’s impossible to know today. Leasing almost never makes economic sense unless they’re are crazy incentives (and there aren’t on Gravity). If I buy in the end it will have cost about $140,000 over three years for a car that was about $122,000 today. You can do the math - it’s on the lease thread.

As I said, I am paying more to “hedge” two variables - one is Lucid and/or Gravity bombs out in next 36 months, I didn’t want to be left owning Gravity. Second is absurd luxury/high cost EV depreciation.

If I love Gravity in 35 months, I will buy a new one.

 

[EV_wings]

I'm pretty sure we'll get there, as we did with our early-production Air.

The issue is how many service visits and how much down time will it take. In less than two months we've already had two mobile service visits, and the car has now been in the shop for over a week. We've already canceled one trip we hoped to take in the Gravity, and our ability to use it for an upcoming trip on September 9 is in question.

And I'm not thrilled that the entire dashboard is having to be removed, as it can be a perplexing source of rattles and squeaks if everything is not put back together perfectly -- something that's much harder to do in a service shop than on the assembly line in an open frame.

If our car had been delivered with one or two relatively minor issues, I would think little of it. However, ours was delivered with a bright blue oval and white ghosts dancing across the windshield in all light conditions; a readily-visible bubble distortion on the HUD screen; non-functioning GPS, navigation, and ADAS systems; a frozen satellite map; a second-row rattle; and misaligned wheel arch trim. I can only conclude from this that either the car skipped inspection altogether to get it out the door of the factory and then the service center in order to make a Q2 delivery target (ours was delivered on June 30), or that Lucid has multi-point inspection failures with incoming components from suppliers, during the assembly process, during the brief factory test drive, or at the service center PDI . . . or all of the above.

And now that our second Gravity has been bumped up three weeks from the date I was told it was going to enter production, I'm worried that it, too, will be rushed out the door to make an end-of-quarter deadline as our first Gravity apparently was.

There was a long back-and-forth on this forum a while back about whether Lucid should delay deliveries until they could ship Gravities in better shape than they shipped the early Airs or whether it was more important to get deliveries underway and then deal with issues in the field. Those who wanted Lucid to start deliveries as early as possible got what they wanted. I got what I feared.

At least Lucid is still managing somehow to keep Gravities out of the hands of major reviewers for unsupervised testing, so the flood of press reports of key fob and software issues that plagued the Air introduction has been largely avoided so far. It'll be interesting to see how long this lasts.

I was able to finally take delivery last week of my GGT. I placed an order on 4 July and changed a few things to get matched to a car. I ready thousands of forum posts, watched pretty much every gravity video on YouTube, and did as much research as possible. I won’t lie, I was worried about what I would be getting. But after 7 Teslas (I think) and 2 Rivians, I figured I was ready for bleeding edge tech. What was delivered to me was not what I expected…

My car arrived at the service center on 13 Aug. It took them until the 27th before they would let me pick it up. Was a frustrated? Yep. Apparently the hold on deliveries impacted me, but the worse part was I was never told what they did during the hold. But ah well. I finally got the car. I was blown away at the quality of the car. I fully expected to have issues with the key fob, cards, etc. I was prepared to turn off the proximity locking and everything. But it has worked, flawlessly. I had an issue with the GPS being strange, but it fixed itself. It reminded me of a Tesla having to drive some miles before the “Autopilot” functionally was calibrated. Since then, the GPS has worked great. The one part that hasn’t worked yet is the Homelink. It still shows the QR code, even though the delivery advisor swears the hardware module was installed (I’m not sure if that’s the case though). The DreamDrive Pro has far exceeded what I expected. It’s not on the level of Tesla, but it is better than Rivian. The fact that it works on many surface streets was a very pleasant surprise to me. The car is quiet, the sound system is great, and thus far I am surprised from a tech level. Has it been perfect? Nope. I got in once and got the no rear steering error. But it cleared itself up essentially right away. I do have the strange issue of the car showing 3.2.2 and the app saying the car is on 3.2.1. Ah well, minor thing.

I do have a question? Does everyone on the pilot screen show a silver Gravity? I thought that would match the configuration of your actual vehicle. I have black with the mid sized wheels, but the display Gravity is silver.

Regardless, the car is nice. I would not hesitate to tell anyone to be wary of or ding one. Sure, they probably did have issues initially. I have flown aircraft that are new that have had the same problems. Even old planes with new tech. But eventually they are figured out. I believe (fingers crossed) that Lucid is starting to figure out the issues and are hitting their stride. I think we will really know once software updates start adding features versus fixing existing issues. CarPlay, streaming, and phone as key are my main desires. I can say, thus far, I feel this has been a great purchase. YMMV.

 

[Ron_Burgundy]

I was able to finally take delivery last week of my GGT. I placed an order on 4 July and changed a few things to get matched to a car. I ready thousands of forum posts, watched pretty much every gravity video on YouTube, and did as much research as possible. I won’t lie, I was worried about what I would be getting. But after 7 Teslas (I think) and 2 Rivians, I figured I was ready for bleeding edge tech. What was delivered to me was not what I expected…

My car arrived at the service center on 13 Aug. It took them until the 27th before they would let me pick it up. Was a frustrated? Yep. Apparently the hold on deliveries impacted me, but the worse part was I was never told what they did during the hold. But ah well. I finally got the car. I was blown away at the quality of the car. I fully expected to have issues with the key fob, cards, etc. I was prepared to turn off the proximity locking and everything. But it has worked, flawlessly. I had an issue with the GPS being strange, but it fixed itself. It reminded me of a Tesla having to drive some miles before the “Autopilot” functionally was calibrated. Since then, the GPS has worked great. The one part that hasn’t worked yet is the Homelink. It still shows the QR code, even though the delivery advisor swears the hardware module was installed (I’m not sure if that’s the case though). The DreamDrive Pro has far exceeded what I expected. It’s not on the level of Tesla, but it is better than Rivian. The fact that it works on many surface streets was a very pleasant surprise to me. The car is quiet, the sound system is great, and thus far I am surprised from a tech level. Has it been perfect? Nope. I got in once and got the no rear steering error. But it cleared itself up essentially right away. I do have the strange issue of the car showing 3.2.2 and the app saying the car is on 3.2.1. Ah well, minor thing.

I do have a question? Does everyone on the pilot screen show a silver Gravity? I thought that would match the configuration of your actual vehicle. I have black with the mid sized wheels, but the display Gravity is silver.

Regardless, the car is nice. I would not hesitate to tell anyone to be wary of or ding one. Sure, they probably did have issues initially. I have flown aircraft that are new that have had the same problems. Even old planes with new tech. But eventually they are figured out. I believe (fingers crossed) that Lucid is starting to figure out the issues and are hitting their stride. I think we will really know once software updates start adding features versus fixing existing issues. CarPlay, streaming, and phone as key are my main desires. I can say, thus far, I feel this has been a great purchase. YMMV.

Yes. They all look silver on pilot screen for now. Hopefully they’re focused on other bug fixes right now.

Glad yours is going strong. Shows they’re improving and they probably do have a fix for fob, etc.

 

[bhramabull]

So my GGT has received all it's software updates on the 'Software updates' page on the dashboard (3.2.2 being the latest on August 29th). How long does it take to travel from Casa Grande to the Scottsdale service center? lol...then I assume PDI takes a day or two at most?
I live in Scottsdale itself so it'll be a hop skip and jump to take delivery