Gravity Delivery Discussion

This is true! I spent some time with a bunch of Bedouin in the Negev desert for a while (long story), and they were incredible people who made the absolute best coffee.

I asked about the black robes; they wear it because it makes them sweat, and in the desert, sweating is how you cool off. Every breeze feels like A/C when your skin is wet/moist. The cooling happens by convection; either through a bellows action, as the robes flow in the wind, or by a chimney sort of effect, as air rises between robe and skin. That’s why their robes are always very loose; lots of air flow.

The wind convects the heat away faster from the body than it is absorbed. White clothing reflects sunlight, but also reflects internal heat back towards your body, so the net effect under identical conditions is less cooling than if you wore black.
Close… As heat transfer is near and dear to my heart I’ll pick a couple nits.

Black clothing doesn’t “make them sweat”. If the clothing is working correctly it transfers less heat to the body, so the wearer will actually need to sweat less, though it might feel like you’re sweating more.

White clothing reflecting heat back towards the body is also a misconception, for two reasons: First, if it’s hot out and the clothing is at skin temp (~93F), the two surfaces are in radiative balance so radiative heat transfer to the clothing stops. Above that heat transfer reverses, so “black” would hurt not help. However in reality it’s a non-issue, as most clothing that look “black” in visible wavelengths (380-750 nm) is in fact quite “white” in the IR wavelengths human skin emits at (~9500 nm). So I’d drop the part about white reflecting heat back to the body.

The chimney effect is the really important part. The black clothing does get hotter in the sun. In the process it causes the air close to it inside the garment to heat and rise. That pulls more fresh, dry, air through the garment. That in turn makes evaporative cooling more effective. Evaporative cooling is 80% or more of total skin cooling in dessert conditions, so making that more effective is the key to staying cool. It wouldn’t work where it’s humid and evaporative cooling breaks down, but for the desert it’s effective. Of course there’s an argument that properly designed white could do as well or better (loose fitting white is also used), but there’s no argument that it looks cool…
 
Black clothing doesn’t “make them sweat”. If the clothing is working correctly it transfers less heat to the body, so the wearer will actually need to sweat less, though it might feel like you’re sweating more.
You're right; I misspoke. It's the evaporative cooling effect that I meant.

Thanks for the rest!
 
Just curious . . .

Does anyone know which of these 2rd-row center armrests is the production version? They both showed up in the recent test drive videos from Press Week, so they're either in production vehicles or late prototypes.

I ask for a couple of reasons: (1) while I think the strap looks better, I also think it might stretch from use and start to sag, and (2) it makes me wonder if Lucid is sourcing the seats from different vendors and there might be other differences in seating. (But I'm not sure why different vendors wouldn't be building seats to the same specs?)

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That is not an easy drive in the winter, and if you're going at peak times, there can be major delays. I have never driven that road in an EV, and it's been 25 years anyways, but I once got stuck on Donner Pass in a blizzard. We didn't have to eat each other but the ride from Tahoe to SF took 11 hours, a lot of which was literally just being at a standstill for several hours. People were getting out of their cars and having snowball fights on the highway. I sure hope there's a lot of charging infrastructure there now, because that road, in winter, with a child, would give me massive range anxiety.

I'm not knocking the use case - far from it. Just saying it's a challenging route.
I drive that route all the time. Grew up in Buffalo NY so there literally isn't a snow storm that I cannot manage. That said, we don't drive up on Fridays and back on Sundays because we don't have to and I don't need to be in that kind of traffic. We drive up now in Tesla's and in a Lucid Air but with a 2.5 year old, we'd rather not stop unless we have to. It's a perfect example of the difference still between ICE and EV - in that 240 miles uphill is a challenge for an EV but not an ICE.

A lot of people say, what's the big deal in stopping, particularly when a Lucid charges so fast. My response is, why stop when you shouldn't have to. My ICE doesn't have to stop so why should I compromise? Stopping injects uncertainty and time. Which set of chargers to stop at? Do I stop early, or stop late in the drive? Are the charges full? Which chargers are usually full and at what time of day? Are the chargers working (I come across broken or limited ones all the time)? Are the chargers fast?

Versus

Get in the car and drive to the destination, without stopping. Without significant traffic or weather, it is a 3 hour and 15 minute drive going 80mph and the limit on under 55 mph roads.

Now like I said, this is a specific use case. I totally understand going on a longer road trip and can absolutely manage the expectations of stopping.
 
I don't know that route. Would the combination of the Gravity's charging speed and access to Superchargers make any difference to you? (Not trying to be argumentative, just curious how people are receiving the claims by Kyle Conner, Tom Moloughney, and others that this is a real a game changer.)
Responded to another question that is similar here. https://lucidowners.com/threads/gravity-delivery-discussion.10959/post-268974

I don't mind stopping but I'd rather not compromise if I don't have to. And since I don't need three rows of seating, the full 450 range is better IMO.
 
I thought I heard Green is first, then Black, but we hear a lot of things so I wouldn't put too much weight behind that.
Green, Black, then White is what I was told (and those are the three most popular) and will be batched in groups.
 
SA shared today that deliveries for California orders may be pushed out to June. Wasn't clear on the reason, but he shared that an update will be available towards the end of next week.
 
SA shared today that deliveries for California orders may be pushed out to June. Wasn't clear on the reason, but he shared that an update will be available towards the end of next week.
Anyone else in California hear the same or otherwise?
 
Anyone else in California hear the same or otherwise?
Pretty safe to say that if people haven't been issued a VIN or the car has just entered production, getting it delivered before the end of the month is going to be a tall order.

Still seems like a trickle of people are getting notified but nothing en masse.
 
Probably in order to meet those darn California emissions standards.
Well not sure how much lower they can get the Gravity when it’s zero emission already. 😛
 
GGTs are in production and delivery within 4 weeks! More detail on the call with my SA, here:
 
SA shared today that deliveries for California orders may be pushed out to June. Wasn't clear on the reason, but he shared that an update will be available towards the end of next week.
My initial order was placed at 8:00am opening day for a GT. The day they offered the upgrade to the Dream, I changed my order. It's Aurora Green/Stealth/Tahoe/22/23 which seems to be one of the earliest build combinations. According to my SA, I'm about a week from "factory gate" and then 2 more weeks until delivery which puts me in early June already.(SoCal)
 
Anyone else in California hear the same or otherwise?
Now that I think of it, the Lucid corporate guy (who I had a chat with a couple of weeks ago in NY) did mention they were trying to quickly satisfy a California-specific regulation. I asked if he could share any details on the reg, but he declined, saying it was “mostly down to paperwork…” so I didn’t press for more info. In hindsight, I probably should have.
 
For those few who have taken delivery:
1. are Tesla Superchargers included in route planning?
2. does the nav screen display the number of available (and total) chargers at the site?
3. does plug-and-charge work with Superchargers?
4. if (3) is true, then can you confirm that Tesla charging plans are not yet honored with plug-and-charge?

Thanks!
 
3. does plug-and-charge work with Superchargers?
4. if (3) is true, then can you confirm that Tesla charging plans are not yet honored with plug-and-charge?

Kyle Conner and Tom Moloughney answered these questions in the charging reviews they did. Plug & Charge does work on V3 and V3+ Superchargers without requiring a Tesla account, as long as you have a payment method in your Lucid Wallet on the Lucid app. Electriy America chargers also work the same way with the Gravity.

Neither the Tesla nor the Electrify America discount subscription plans yet work with Gravity Plug & Charge, but Lucid is working to integrate them. No timeline has been given, though Lucid assured both Conner and Moloughney that is it a priority.
 
I am seeing a lot greater percentage of NACS Gravity during today's flyover. I will post the full flyover video later. First time seeing Gravity at the DC fast chargers even of most of them are KSA bound.
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Kyle Conner and Tom Moloughney answered these questions in the charging reviews they did. Plug & Charge does work on V3 and V3+ Superchargers without requiring a Tesla account, as long as you have a payment method in your Lucid Wallet on the Lucid app. Electriy America chargers also work the same way with the Gravity.

Neither the Tesla nor the Electrify America discount subscription plans yet work with Gravity Plug & Charge, but Lucid is working to integrate them. No timeline has been given, though Lucid assured both Conner and Moloughney that is it a priority.
Yes, I remember this from their videos - I was just looking for confirmation that the delivered cars are actually working that way. As far as I can remember, they did not say anything about route planning, so that's what I'm hoping an owner can comment on.
 
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